(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[10800]OT[10/600 Canadian]
GN[The Deciding Game]PW[Matthew Macfadyen]PB[Nick Krempel]WR[6d]BR[3d]DT[2011-09-17]EV[British Go Championship 2011]RO[3]PC[Camden Town, London]US[Jenny Radcliffe]C[Svejk [-\]: Hello BGAadmin, komi 7.5 isn't it?
BGAadmin [-\]: yes, but it won't let me change it
BGAadmin [-\]: it wouldn't even let me change it when I was setting it up
BGAadmin [-\]: I had better put this in the info, thank you
guojuan [5p\]: hi
guojuan [5p\]: where is the game?
Svejk [-\]: I think they are still having breakfast.
BGAadmin [-\]: yes - we will start very soon!
BGAadmin [-\]: the referee is setting the clock, and Nick is just clearing up breakfast
BGAadmin [-\]: and now, the clocks have started
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;W[qd]
;B[cd]C[BGAadmin [-\]: the game is being recorded at 90 degrees; Nick started in the appropriate, polite corner
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;W[eq]C[Baconade [?\]: 5-4 matthew, do it do it :P 
Baconade [?\]: oh, close enough
DanielTom [-\]: Nick must be happy, Matthew isn't playing crazy moves
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick's eyebrows rose a trifle at that move
RobertT [-\]: common, taisha. I know you wanna :p
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;W[fd]C[American [10k\]: nobody wants taisha in tournaments?
RobertT [-\]: I do :D
American [10k\]: since Takemiya said he wont play it again
DanielTom [-\]: w is preparing the pincer?
FreshTooth [2k\]: hi goujuan
American [10k\]: l17  pincer?
Adin [1d\]: is it tied 2-2 on games now?
BGAadmin [-\]: commentary by Guo Juan will start in ~1 hour, as the opening is likely to be slow
BGAadmin [-\]: no, it's one-all
BGAadmin [-\]: the title match has been reduced to a best of three
FirePwr [1k\]: is the next move soooo crucial that they take this long?
Shrewd [1d?\]: whatever happened to the english way
FirePwr [1k\]: maybe i dont understand 
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick is, habitually, a very slow player
BGAadmin [-\]: we can expect him to take all of his 3 hours and quite possibly as many as ten overtime periods
Uberdude [4d?\]: firepwr, if you think this is a long wait, maybe you should do something else whlst watching this game
Shrewd [1d?\]: like kibitz
American [10k\]: no please
BGAadmin [-\]: (Nick and Matthew have played six rated games; Matthew has won five of them. But of the two long-time-limit games they've played, they've won one each. Nick's stamina tells.)
RobertT [-\]: or try to figure out why its taking so long to decide
American [10k\]: dont ruin good game with silly comments
Gregory [-\]: so where would you play next?
DanielTom [-\]: e17 most common
DanielTom [-\]: maybe Nick is thinking about a pincer?
snowman [-\]: j17 would be my guess
American [10k\]: l17 i like
Baconade [?\]: a high pincer seems more appropiate
twisted [1k\]: does nick have kgs account?
FirePwr [1k\]:  j17 j16 f17 i dunno something like that probably
Uberdude [4d?\]: i was hopinh they'd play lee sedol's new move
Uberdude [4d?\]: that he did against xie he
wenwenhan: aaaaaaaahhhhhhh  thank god
Uberdude [4d?\]: we studied that with guo juan at a training weekend
wenwenhan: who's white?
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;B[jc]C[wenwenhan: was
American [10k\]: i was close
BGAadmin [-\]: Matthew Macfadyen is playing as White
maproomad [-\]: Nick does have a KGS account, some simple name like NickK
Uberdude [4d?\]: ndkrempel
FreshTooth [2k\]: nice move!
DanielTom [-\]: looks strange, this move
wenwenhan: ok
Uberdude [4d?\]: i don't like it
Baconade [?\]: I don't much care for it
twisted [1k\]: ty
American [10k\]: get used to new moves
American [10k\]: Go is evolving
Baconade [?\]: I would sooner play e17 than k17
FreshTooth [2k\]: i'd prefer E17
American [10k\]: Go Seigen, said new fusekis will be different
Shrewd [1d?\]: go seigen is dead
FreshTooth [2k\]: no
Hashasin [5k\]: lol
Baconade [?\]: no he's not. qq
American [10k\]: see, they already start making trouble
Shrewd [1d?\]: dead to me at least
RobertT [-\]: I would have l17
Toge [1d\]: What does this game decide?
FreshTooth [2k\]: lol
snowman [-\]: that's not very shrewd
American [10k\]: why cannot talk a bit serious in important game
Baconade [?\]: why? L17 looks awkward
Hashasin [5k\]: why so serious?
BGAadmin [-\]: the British Go Championship 2011, Toge4
Shrewd [1d?\]: of course it is snowman
Arthus [13k\]: Why is the game not going on my screen?
Shrewd [1d?\]: because you wont see him mentioned in my will
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;W[cc]C[wenwenhan: lee sedol doesn't chris cross
FreshTooth [2k\]: come on
FreshTooth [2k\]: fighting in the start?
DanielTom [-\]: it doesn't work well as a pincer, and as an extension it's strange too
christmas [5d\]: i like the move k17
Uberdude [4d?\]: k17 is not a good pincer on f16, were it at h17, v17 is not possible gfor white
hachiryu [13k\]: Is the winner of this game the official "British Champion"
BGAadmin [-\]: yes
christmas [5d\]: but k17 helps both left and right
DanielTom [-\]: d17 d16 d18 next?
Shrewd [1d?\]: and that way b wont have to play with his back to a w wall
FreshTooth [2k\]: whats the difference between american and chinese rules?
American [10k\]: is new style, go seigen said moves that represent and investment to collect a dividend later
hachiryu [13k\]: Is this game Real Time?
American [10k\]: not based on joseki
wenwenhan: did mesoyoung make it to pro level?
Shrewd [1d?\]: indeed ryu
BGAadmin [-\]: yes, it's real time
BGAadmin [-\]: and indeed live, etc
FreshTooth [2k\]:  whats the difference between american and chinese rules?
hachiryu [13k\]: Wow... 
Uberdude [4d?\]: of 296 games in my database of this top side, 0 have k17
eslite [3k\]: real time? how is that possible?
BGAadmin [-\]: you can see the video stream - link in the game info
eslite [3k\]: cool
Uberdude [4d?\]: 147 at e17, 88 at h17
RobertT [-\]: uberdude, what are the most common moves?
christmas [5d\]: k17 is good!
BGAadmin [-\]: the difference between american and chinese rules in this case I *think* is mostly the type of superko rules and the use of pass stones. But ... I'm more au fait wiht the difference between Verbal Japanese, which we usually use, and AGA
christmas [5d\]: k17 is good
DanielTom [-\]: chinese counts the number of stones right?
Nyanjilla [-\]: http://www.gokgs.com/help/rulesets.html
Uberdude [4d?\]: those 2 by far most common, nect is 17 at d14
RobertT [-\]: 17?
Uberdude [4d?\]: yes
christmas [5d\]: no
BGAadmin [-\]: DanielTom - yes, in theory, but in practice, AGA rules mean area and territory scoring are equivalent, so you can count either way
American [10k\]: I posted go seigen opinion in egr not to flood here
RobertT [-\]: oh
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;B[dd]C[fittopage: i woundn't read it
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has used 17 minutes; Matthew has used 2 or 3
Gregory [-\]: hmm, i would've played D17
fittopage: account? "american"? i don't know
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;W[dc]C[DanielTom [-\]: nice plan here
DanielTom [-\]: e17 
christmas [5d\]: black plans to play e17 
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;B[ec]C[DanielTom [-\]: so B is trying a trick! that should explain it
fittopage: for the 11th?
DanielTom [-\]: e16 f17 next
BGAadmin [-\]: correct. Indeed, he moved so quickly I didn't actually realise he'd done so :)
RobertT [-\]: and here's where b goes crazy
hilarious [1d\]: why crazy
hilarious [1d\]: there is a stone at k17
christmas [5d\]: k17 can hekp in the fight
American [10k\]: will *
hilarious [1d\]: "could"
fittopage: e17 is game?
BGAadmin [-\]: 17 is, indeed, the game. I keep checking :)
hilarious [1d\]: :)
BGAadmin [-\]: er, e17. Ahem.
kubusio [4k\]: what do you mean by "is game" ?
Gregory [-\]: how does it continue after F17?
American [10k\]: just dont put the moves we say
Gregory [-\]: b can play E18 after can't he?
fittopage: e17 gets you excited?
fittopage: who gets excited?
American [10k\]: fito go chat oputside
FirePwr [1k\]: k17 an amazing move right now
FirePwr [1k\]: all i can say
BGAadmin [-\]: kubusio - I mean, it's not a mis-click or something, it's the actual move Nick actually played
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;W[ed]C[DanielTom [-\]: e17 is natural here
DanielTom [-\]: f17 now I think
DanielTom [-\]: complicated
FirePwr [1k\]: e18
American [10k\]: Ive seen it in abook :-)
DanielTom [-\]: I want to see Matthew tricked
BGAadmin [-\]: it would be a trifle out of character
BGAadmin [-\]: which is another way of saying, yes, in some ways, so would I :)
snowman [-\]: i can hear him muttering "rubbish"
hilarious [1d\]: it is hard for w I feel
hilarious [1d\]: if this way: e18 b16 b17 b18 a17 a18 c18 a16 b17 a17 d18 b17 e18 c14 
Omnipeon [3d\]: matthew likes fighting games, which is where his reading strength lies
DanielTom [-\]: B will f17 (to use k17), not e18 
fittopage: e17 because plan for a bango middle on move 31
fittopage: duh!
fittopage: >.>
Omnipeon [3d\]: i feel nick needs to keep things simple, where he can. and only go for complications if he is behind.
hilarious [1d\]: depends
hilarious [1d\]: if he feels strong, then why not take a chance?
DanielTom [-\]: I would think Nick prepared this at home, but he is taking so long...
BGAadmin [-\]: well, Nick *is* at home ... :)
Uberdude [4d?\]: a good way to ebat matthew is to give him the opportunity to fight, where fighting is bad
FirePwr [1k\]: yes keep it simple is the best approach....stay away from making too many weak groups and solid shape....
DanielTom [-\]: oh, they are playing at his house?
BGAadmin [-\]: yep
hilarious [1d\]: :)
DanielTom [-\]: so Nick has the advantage
DanielTom [-\]: d-:
Uberdude [4d?\]: cos he'll fight anywhere
Uberdude [4d?\]: *anyway
BGAadmin [-\]: the way I see it, Nick only rarely gets the chance to play long-time-limit games, and has this opportunity to play a really interesting opponent with really long time limits. He should therefore play what looks *fun*, sod trying to win. However, that may be why I'm 4k and he's strong. :)
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;B[fc]C[Gregory [-\]: hehe
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has now used 22 minutes; Matthew 6.
fittopage: will by now if a stone is placed on m3 spot will get eaten
Omnipeon [3d\]: i remembered the time when nick and me were only around 7-8k. he has really come a long way. now challenging for the UK title
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;W[bd]C[Omnipeon [3d\]: i will prob never be able to beat him on even game again.
Nyanjilla [-\]: awwwwww
DanielTom [-\]: b15 now, nothing to think about
kubusio [4k\]: how long ago was it, if I may ask?
FirePwr [1k\]: i know but he will take 11 minutes
fittopage: but the map voodoo doesn't really work 
HW9x9 [1d\]: live TV broadcast of this game: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-UK
RobertT [-\]: 5 minutes ago
Omnipeon [3d\]: must have been around 2007 or so i think. we went to central london go club together.
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;B[be]
;W[bc]C[BGAadmin [-\]: nah, in 2007 Nick was already ~1d, according to the EGD
fittopage: and you sell newspapers?
DanielTom [-\]: hard to decide now, where is the correct shape?
wicket [2d\]: must be further back than that, i was at cambridge club when he started in around 2002, can't imagine it took him 5 years to get from 15k to 8k :)
justdidit [1k\]: just arrived. c17 is not good isn't it?
DanielTom [-\]: c15 now maybe
fittopage: who wrote that one?
FirePwr [1k\]: lol they stare at the board really hard :)
Uberdude [4d?\]: would have been earlier, he was around 1k when i joined club in 2005
Omnipeon [3d\]: i attended the go club after watching hikaru no go, so it could have been earlier.
BGAadmin [-\]: judging by the EGD, Nick was never around 7k at a tournament, at least :)
BGAadmin [-\]: in 2004 he went from 13k to 5k
Omnipeon [3d\]: must have been around that time then.
Gregory [-\]: do you know why matthew has a pen & paper
BGAadmin [-\]: he's recording the game on paper
BGAadmin [-\]: possibly in case (a) I make a mistake and (b) he and Nick both develop amnesia and can't reproduce it
FirePwr [1k\]: c14 is standard move???
FirePwr [1k\]: i start to doubt now
hilarious [1d\]: wait, a 6d can't remember a game he just played?
BGAadmin [-\]: a more serious answer might be - I don't actually know why he's recording it
fittopage: how much can matthew get for a 3d?
Omnipeon [3d\]: maybe he is used to it. from playing in lots of tourneys?
DanielTom [-\]: hilarious, BGA is recording it, he can just save the sgf after the game
BGAadmin [-\]: possibly he's just trying to slow down ...?
HW9x9 [1d\]: as a special service to the BGA there is no login required today for the live TV
justdidit [1k\]: c14 or d14, thats the question locally :)
DanielTom [-\]: maybe it's a way for him to relax, or to think deeper
Shrewd [1d?\]: it's just his thing
BGAadmin [-\]: he could be doing it to slow himself down?
hilarious [1d\]: :)
kubusio [4k\]: but what if all the servers go down :) ?
wicket [2d\]: if my opponent thought for this long over moves i'd end up just answering immediately
wicket [2d\]: i guess writing down opponents move stops him from doing that :)
kubusio [4k\]: that is the only way to be sure he has this game
BGAadmin [-\]: since Nick's used 28 moves to Matthew's 7, if he's doing it to slow down, t's not working yet
Uberdude [4d?\]: c15 might be correct now
maproomad [-\]: Nick would be much stronger than 3d if he didn't keep losing games on time
hilarious [1d\]: if server go down the game continues offline
Uberdude [4d?\]: hard choice
FreshTooth [2k\]: d14
BGAadmin [-\]: nah, I'm here and can record in person even if the servers go down, remember
justdidit [1k\]: wait to be in a final like this one, maybe you will not have same attitude
hilarious [1d\]: one can upload a sgf file to continue when needed :)
superREDS [1d\]: slow
fittopage: i was born kyu so i'am safe
BGAadmin [-\]: maproomad - yes and no, remember when he was British Lightning Champion? :)
fittopage: "human"
DanielTom [-\]: B's position on the top is low
FirePwr [1k\]: anybody knows a quick way to go from 1kyu to like 3d and challenge nick?
FirePwr [1k\]: :p
hilarious [1d\]: B15 a mistake?
wicket [2d\]: yep, enter a tournament and declare your grade as 3d
Nyanjilla [-\]: do a lo-o-o-o-o-o-o-ot of serious study?
FirePwr [1k\]: lol
Omnipeon [3d\]: nick is like 5d on kgs i think
wicket [2d\]: and you'll parachute into the ratings
BGAadmin [-\]: the doorbell has just rung; I suspect Kirsty's come back from a nostalgic walk around Camden
hilarious [1d\]: i'l clone
justdidit [1k\]: nick should have stress in this fight, matthew played wrong but he has to get the fruit
DanielTom [-\]: where did matthew play wrong?
justdidit [1k\]: c17
Uberdude [4d?\]: you can see nick's go board on google streetview
justdidit [1k\]: any joseki book will tell you this is bad
FirePwr [1k\]: the guy in the blue shirt is loosing patience
FirePwr [1k\]: :p
DanielTom [-\]: I doubt that very much, just
BGAadmin [-\]: the guy in the blue shirt is, er, the guy whose move it is ...
fittopage: black has k17 q4 aji with e3
justdidit [1k\]: black just played the right way after
ProoMas [1k\]: just C14?
ProoMas [1k\]: seems ok
fittopage: so c17 was the only move in the game
DanielTom [-\]: c14 is not ideal shape
FirePwr [1k\]: ok i mean purple 
justdidit [1k\]: c17 should be at d16
justdidit [1k\]: no way
ProoMas [1k\]: oh, this is a game review?
Nyanjilla [-\]: only an informal one
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;B[df]C[justdidit [1k\]: just discussing proomas
ProoMas [1k\]: ok
BGAadmin [-\]: this is kibbitz, proomas :)
ProoMas [1k\]: ._.
fittopage: it smells
BGAadmin [-\]: Guo Juan will be starting a proper commentary version sometime soon
fittopage: bye
FirePwr [1k\]: good choice here by black
kubusio [4k\]: wow, to me the black stone appeared before he moved the move :)
DanielTom [-\]: I don't know if it's good
hilarious [1d\]: can someone join my game and tell me why black played F17
ProoMas [1k\]: online stream?
FirePwr [1k\]: i would try to wrap around black stones
FirePwr [1k\]: g17 
BGAadmin [-\]: proomas - the video is linked from the game info and my personal info
justdidit [1k\]: i just know this because i made the failure just a few days ago myself :)
BGAadmin [-\]: and yes, kubusio, the webcam is very very laggy!
Omnipeon [3d\]: f17 makes sense where there is a stone at k17 
ryot [-\]: Rotated 90 degrees... 
HelloQtion [-\]: isn't g17 the only move here ?
guojuan [5p\]: hi
ryot [-\]: Hi!
HelloQtion [-\]: hi 
illyrio [-\]: hi
gopilayer [1d\]: hi
BGAadmin [-\]: 'fraid so, ryot - I think I minimise the risk of making a transcription error if I record the game at the angle I'm seeing it at
HW9x9 [1d\]: hi
BGAadmin [-\]: hi, guojuan
guojuan [5p\]: I am here to give livecommentary \\
guojuan [5p\]: on this game 
guojuan [5p\]: I will clone this game 
Zorba [5d\]: god
justdidit [1k\]: nice :)
BGAadmin [-\]: thank you, guojuan :)
guojuan [5p\]: if you are interested in my comments, you are welcome to join me\\
gacua [1k\]: Please have admin strick your clone
Nyanjilla [-\]: done
BGAadmin [-\]: thanks, nyanjilla :)
Gux [?\]: wow, they spend many minutes just for a move
radubob [6k\]: BGAadmin who's updating this board?
hilarious [1d\]: oke, F17 was needed :)
BGAadmin [-\]: they have three hours, why not?
Tannix [2d\]: w played e14
Gux [?\]: that's great
kubusio [4k\]: so they might spend as much as 6h on a single game ?
Nyanjilla [-\]: yup
Gux [?\]: basicaly, i don't like blitz game
BGAadmin [-\]: radubob - I'm Jenny Radcliffe, the BGA's Tournament Committee Chair. (And North-East Regional Rep; I need to find a replacement me for that role ... hint hint, anyone?)
HW9x9 [1d\]: lol
BGAadmin [-\]: kubusio - plus overtime, potentially. And when I say potentially, with Nick playing, I mean almost certainly ;)
GodofGo [6d\]: on the board, it looks like w alr played...
Tannix [2d\]: he did
Tannix [2d\]: e14
GodofGo [6d\]: but i cant see here
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;W[ef]C[GodofGo [6d\]: ok
BGAadmin [-\]: crap, sorry, I failed to notice.
radubob [6k\]: thanks Jenny
Tannix [2d\]: played like 5 min ago :)
BGAadmin [-\]: oops. Please keep letting me know if I do that again!
Tannix [2d\]: sure :)
GodofGo [6d\]: o.o on the screen, someones playing fb games ;)
BGAadmin [-\]: yep. Well, Nick moves *slowly* ...!
GodofGo [6d\]: haha
BGAadmin [-\]: <is ashamed of self>
kubusio [4k\]: well, with so much action in the game I am not surprised :)
BGAadmin [-\]: I'd be less ashamed if I hadn't not-noticed Matthew's move.  Perhaps I ahve had too little coffee today
kisekigo: on the webcam it looks like you are looking at photos and not the game!
BGAadmin [-\]: I'm alt-tabbing like mad
hachiryu [13k\]: How much time have the players used?
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has used ... 42 minutes. Matthew has used ... 13
hachiryu [13k\]: wow... Nick is careful
BGAadmin [-\]: oh yes
hachiryu [13k\]: I usually play a whole game in 15 mins :P
BGAadmin [-\]: but he has three hours, and he's very, very good at playing endgame briskly in overtime, so ...
snowman [-\]: this threatens double hane
snowman [-\]: and i don't think this game will reach the endgame...
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;B[gc]C[BGAadmin [-\]: I think we thought that with the last game and were surprised
noobian [3k?\]: well, I can't see any reason to watch quietly.  =)
BGAadmin [-\]: maproomad has provided me with coffee. All hail maproomad!
noobian [3k?\]: it looks to me like g14 and d13 are the real options. Is this correct?
Xebo [4d\]: g14 too soft
bloodarena [7d\]: e13 loos good
bloodarena [7d\]: looks^
waretsuyla [2k\]: Tourney game?
BGAadmin [-\]: yes, the final of the British Go Championship
twisted [1k\]: d13 not work?
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;W[dg]C[waretsuyla [2k\]: Thanks
noobian [3k?\]: won't w have to worry too much about b fixing the c15 aji in sente?
noobian [3k?\]: nm  =)
BGAadmin [-\]: he doesn't seem to think so ;)
twisted [1k\]: haha
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;B[cf]
;W[cg]C[BGAadmin [-\]: I think it's probably fair to say that "worrying" doesn't come entirely naturally to white :)
Tabemasu [-\]: d15 only move?
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;B[bg]C[BGAadmin [-\]: and then after ... oh
hachiryu [13k\]: who's winning so far?
BGAadmin [-\]: I was going to say, presmably white protects and then black plays b13, but nick seems to think just b13 ...
Tabemasu [-\]: hmm
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;W[bh]C[HW9x9 [1d\]: i see a cut
HW9x9 [1d\]: hmm
BGAadmin [-\]: I see at least two, I'm just not sure which one is the sort that a dan player would see too ... :)
HW9x9 [1d\]: dangeros
HW9x9 [1d\]: i would play d15 now
BGAadmin [-\]: and after white protects, just a14 for life, or something aggressive?
Javaness [2d\]: bgaadmin might number the moves for you if you do not know how to clone or view offline :>
DanielTom [-\]: c12 now probably
HW9x9 [1d\]: c12 loses
Winc [1k\]: c12 is prob bad 
hachiryu [13k\]: I would play C12
YamaArashi [4k\]: b 15 - w a 14! ko
HW9x9 [1d\]: if Bc12 Wa13 Bb14 Wd15 Bc15 Wa15!!
BGAadmin [-\]: that's why I'd have thought a14 for b, not a15?
BGAadmin [-\]: er, to YamaArashi
HW9x9 [1d\]: e13 might be possible, but i would chicken d15
iryumika2 [3d\]: e13 seems not good
iryumika2 [3d\]: better c12
kubusio [4k\]: now is a good moment to put one more black stone on board :)
BGAadmin [-\]: what, because Matthew's gone and turned the kettle on? I think he might notice ...
BGAadmin [-\]: (and maproomad would, too, if I didn't)
kubusio [4k\]: sure hewould, just kidding
BGAadmin [-\]: :)
Tabemasu [-\]: i don't think b can cut anywhere
BGAadmin [-\]: not without being alive first, presumably?
Tabemasu [-\]: right
gggggd: black cannot get unconditional life
Tabemasu [-\]: d15?
BGAadmin [-\]: he can't? I'm confused by your reading, or else by mine ...
iryumika2 [3d\]: c12
BGAadmin [-\]: d15 is surely very very sente, he'll live if white doesn't protect. (Or escape, connect, something)
iryumika2 [3d\]: is possible
twisted [1k\]: if e13 e12 f13 f14 g14 then what for w?
HW9x9 [1d\]: i, as a eternal beginner, say d15 lives
Tabemasu [-\]: b fails big here
airqnuf: According to Guo Juan, this is bad for white
DanielTom [-\]: d15 lives but is submissive
Tabemasu [-\]: if e13 then i would play d15
Tabemasu [-\]: really? bad for white?
BGAadmin [-\]: hm, the video stream appears to have sulked; I have asked maproomad to investigate, because I'm sure you're all desparate to see the excitement
BGAadmin [-\]: aha, and it's back. Splendid
airqnuf: cut at C12 and then give up C16-D16
twisted [1k\]: thx tabemasu
airqnuf: ladder is good for black
maproomad [-\]: video stream is back
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;W[eg]C[BGAadmin [-\]: oh - Nick has now used 64 minutes, that is to say, his first hour is up
BGAadmin [-\]: Matthew has used 20
xinyil [3k\]: surely a14 
Minami1 [1k\]: e15
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;W[fe]
;B[ff]C[Minami1 [1k\]: ;)
twisted [1k\]: h16
gggggd: cannot ladder
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;W[hd]C[BGAadmin [-\]: well called, twisted :)
BGAadmin [-\]: Matthew has now used a whole 26 minutes, to Nick's, oh, 58
BGAadmin [-\]: er, 68, even
Tabemasu [-\]: i wonder what black has thought about for so long
BGAadmin [-\]: if I could even comprehend what Nick thinks about for so long, I wonder if I'd be stronger? :)
noobian [3k?\]: the cut doesn't look good to me - if b fixes at a14, isn't w g13 now worse than just leaving it alone would have been?
noobian [3k?\]: but there doesn't seem to be a good way to push with the cutting group that doesn't let w b13
noobian [3k?\]: ^a13^
xinyil [3k\]: if B plays at a13, w can respond at a15 and kills?
HW9x9 [1d\]: live TV broadcast of this game: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-UK
noobian [3k?\]: w would play a13, not b
noobian [3k?\]: b would play a14
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;B[af]
;W[ah]C[marmoset [?\]: ddddd
BGAadmin [-\]: if you say so, marmoset
Minami1 [1k\]: how long does he need to think about this???
Lesmian [2d\]: long enough
Minami1 [1k\]: a13
noobian [3k?\]: he plainly can't fight the ko
BGAadmin [-\]: presumably he's thinking about what happens afterwards ...?
maproomad [-\]: Black has used 100 minutes so far, White 27 minutes
Philogo [3k\]: maybe better than 22 points elsewhere...?
pllp [3d?\]: poor nick
noobian [3k?\]: it's more than 22
noobian [3k?\]: d18/e18 is left behind
noobian [3k?\]: plus the cut at c12 (or at f14, if w doesn't fix)
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;B[ch]C[BGAadmin [-\]: gosh
maproomad [-\]: There is now someone in the kichen, clatering crockery
BGAadmin [-\]: I feel like saying "are you sure? Have you thought for long enough?"
daft [3d\]: I thought B would play at H15, not C12
illyrio [-\]: its almost like black is behind already, but it wont matter, he will lose on time
BGAadmin [-\]: I don't reckon he'll lose on time, not based on the last two games
daft [3d\]: C12 is more greedy, but can backfire
daft [3d\]: ... especially against Matthew
largehc [?\]: laddr
daft [3d\]: the problem is that there are no ko threats for this ko
Warfreak2 [4d\]: what ko
daft [3d\]: A13
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if w atari, b just connect
Warfreak2 [4d\]: a13 is suicide
daft [3d\]: then W C11 
DanielTom [-\]: how so, war?
daft [3d\]: what's the problem?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: f13 threatens two at once
daft [3d\]: really?
BGAadmin [-\]: warfreak2 - what am I missing about white's subsequent laddering of the c12 stone?
daft [3d\]: I don't see the ladder working for B
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no ladder
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b has three libs, so h15 fast enough
daft [3d\]: oh, you play H15
daft [3d\]: hmm
DanielTom [-\]: a13 b14 c11 and then?
BGAadmin [-\]: /me nods at DanielTom
Uberdude [4d?\]: a13 b14 c11 f13 f12 h15 doesn't seem to work for b
Warfreak2 [4d\]: f13 f12 g12 is ok
daft [3d\]: but W can play hane at F12
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;W[ag]C[daft [3d\]: then H15 is not fast enough
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it still is
Warfreak2 [4d\]: my hane at g12 continues the double threat
daft [3d\]: Matthew doesn't think so ^^
daft [3d\]: no it doesn't
daft [3d\]: we'll see ^^
Uberdude [4d?\]: h15 then
BGAadmin [-\]: I'm now trying to work out which bit of the board Nick is peering at ...
Uberdude [4d?\]: f13 f12 g12 h15 
daft [3d\]: anyway, C12 is a bad idea
Warfreak2 [4d\]: then your c11 ladder stopped working
BGAadmin [-\]: it's definitely in the broad region of, say, k14 ...
DanielTom [-\]: B is dead, I think
Uberdude [4d?\]: w can atari to save th 4 stones
Uberdude [4d?\]: i don't need c11 ladder
RiceChips: look out
bv4 [2k\]: game almost over
Warfreak2 [4d\]: what do you do when i pull out
RiceChips:                                                               $ young money
RiceChips: lol
Uberdude [4d?\]: atari
pllp [3d?\]: what in the hell am i reading
largehc [?\]: not have children?
daft [3d\]: it goes like this: b14 c11 f13 f12 g12 d12 h15 g16 j16 g14 g13 h14 
Uberdude [4d?\]: d12 e12 d11 d10 e11 f11 e10 f10 e9 b10 
Uberdude [4d?\]: clone probably best
daft [3d\]: you clone?
BGAadmin [-\]: please. I don't appear to be able to review offline and it would be risky anyway, and I want to see what you're seeing, and I can't read it well enough!
Nyanjilla [-\]: Clone from Options
bv4 [2k\]: )
Nyanjilla [-\]: what time is lunch, BTW?
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick's mum is preparing it now; I assume it'll be about 1300
Nyanjilla [-\]: thx
BGAadmin [-\]: and I can't clone from options, it's greyed out, presumably because it's my game :)
bv4 [2k\]: b lost D15 isn't it?
daft [3d\]: I just cloned to show the long variation
daft [3d\]: maybe I'm missing something, but to me it looks like this is game over for B
Nyanjilla [-\]: ah... maybe the demo-er can't 
BGAadmin [-\]: nyanjilla - indeed. :)
DanielTom [-\]: B can play the ko and lose the group, at least he will get ko threats
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;B[qe]C[DanielTom [-\]: yes
DanielTom [-\]: he is preparing ko threats
BGAadmin [-\]: looks like it
daft [3d\]: W can already just play C11 and that's it
DanielTom [-\]: but it's not too bad for B
DanielTom [-\]: better than losing everything
oasthouse [1d?\]: looks pretty bad for b
DanielTom [-\]: he made some mistakes
daft [3d\]: W will have a huge corner and fantastic potential on the left side and B will have one corner with aji
DanielTom [-\]: he wasn't well prepared for that trick it seems
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;W[bf]
;B[pe]C[daft [3d\]: ah, he takes the ko in sente because of H17
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;W[ce]C[daft [3d\]: but I'm not convinced
daft [3d\]: H17 isn't that big
daft [3d\]: better play K4
Octavian [4k\]: this real game?
aitkensam [-\]: thats a lot of thickness :)
Octavian [4k\]: so awful
Match [4k\]: so is white rally that much better ?
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;B[mq]C[Laman [4d\]: invincible
daft [3d\]: yes W result is much better
BGAadmin [-\]: this is a really, live, actual, title-deciding game
Octavian [4k\]: w waaaaay better
aitkensam [-\]: n3 seems a litle slow ><
daft [3d\]: the upper right corner is not free of aji either
Match [4k\]: but whites corner is very overconcentrated
Octavian [4k\]: doesnt matter
daft [3d\]: if you think that you don't know what overconcentrated means
Match [4k\]: well, looks to me black has a lot of potential on the right
woebegone [-\]: would be overconcentrated if there were no black stones taken from there
Laman [4d\]: consider 11 dead black stones, white not much overconcentrated then
twisted [1k\]: k4?
daft [3d\]: count how many stones W played in that corner and how many B played
Match [4k\]: ah right...
Match [4k\]: ok, white may be leading a little bit then
daft [3d\]: B played 13 stones (including the F17 stones), W played 17
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;W[qk]C[KyuT [3d\]: Good afternoon - interesting board position :)
daft [3d\]: so by investing 4 stones he took 28 points of secure territory, great thickness and has H17 for another 12points at least
KyuT [3d\]: I mean.... that table does look rather wide
Inriel [4d\]: hi all, just arrived, what a start!
daft [3d\]: the thickness is worth something like 15pt as well
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has now used 92 minutes to Matthew's 38
Inriel [4d\]: I've had games like this where you get ahead early and then the opponent creeps up and wins!
Inriel [4d\]: surprisingly hard to win a won game
daft [3d\]: not against an (on paper) 3 stones weaker opponent
BGAadmin [-\]: IIRC that's roughly what happened in the last game; people felt Nick had hopelessly lost and then he won by, what was it, 2.5?
BGAadmin [-\]: and Nick's "paper" grade is ... not valid in this time limit, I would say
Inriel [4d\]: exactly
maproomad [-\]: Nick only appears 3 stones weaK
maproomad [-\]: weaker becasue he so often loses on time
Inriel [4d\]: But Mm is a strong 6Dan I reckon
BGAadmin [-\]: MM is certainly exceptional
BGAadmin [-\]: I find myself wondering about the psychological impact of this sort of board position
RiceChips: r9 is too far for black advantage on right r 9 area
Inriel [4d\]: interesting that NK went for the original top left sequence, seems odd to select a little played sequence in such an important match
Laman [4d\]: he surely prepared it beforehand
Inriel [4d\]: guess so
Uberdude [4d?\]: i doubt it
Inriel [4d\]: ha
KyuT [3d\]: Nick plays that opening a lot
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;B[qi]C[KyuT [3d\]: (variations after c16 p17 r16)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: gosh, i made my coffee and left it in the kitchen
BGAadmin [-\]: careless
Uberdude [4d?\]: the s15 aji we looked at on wednesday...
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;W[qp]C[BGAadmin [-\]: who are "we" in this context, Uber?
Uberdude [4d?\]: british dans
Vincent [3d\]: what tournament is this game?
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;B[qo]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: from the training weekend
BGAadmin [-\]: the British Go Championship, Vincent
BGAadmin [-\]: Uber - aha
Vincent [3d\]: Thanks
Uberdude [4d?\]: matthew led the study sessio
]
;W[ro]C[niv1010 [15k\]: q5 s4 q3 s6
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;B[rp]
;W[qq]
;B[rq]C[BGAadmin [-\]: speedymoving nick!
BGAadmin [-\]: that's the second time he's played two of his moves (obviously with one of matthew's in between) in very rapid succession. Keeping me on my toes ...
RiceChips: the board maybe 19x19 and the stones black and white! but this is not go igo of go
YourMother [?\]: what's the time at this point?
BGAadmin [-\]: nick has used 102 minutes, matthew 45
BGAadmin [-\]: roughly
BGAadmin [-\]: assuming I can add up
iryumika2 [3d\]: 102 minutes O.o
iryumika2 [3d\]: wow
BGAadmin [-\]: that's only just over half the time available not including byoyomi
maproomad [-\]: looks right to me (my last time-addition was faulty)
RiceChips: black not being nice! this will not be victory
Uberdude [4d?\]: francis rods has twice played s6 as black in this position against me
BGAadmin [-\]: I'm going to assume that's only in the lower right quadrant, not actually the whole board :)
Mikanosuke [8k\]: how much time do they have when it gets to byoyomi?
BGAadmin [-\]: 10 moves in 10 minutes (so technically canadian, not byoyomi)
Uberdude [4d?\]: just corner
Uberdude [4d?\]: r9 not relevant
Mikanosuke [8k\]: aha, thanks
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;W[po]
;B[qn]
;W[pq]
;B[op]
;W[rn]
;B[rr]C[bert [2d\]: p5 
donGoku [2k\]: r7
iryumika2 [3d\]: after p2 its a ko
aasa: just starting to watch, but feels like w has all this thickness but no clear way to useit
BGAadmin [-\]: matthew keeps looking as if he's about to move, so I come alert, get ready to click ... and nothing
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;W[oo]C[BGAadmin [-\]: and as usual, complaining about things on the internet fixes them :)
Laman [4d\]: O5
BrainForce: o5 q7?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: gosh
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;B[qm]C[Excalibor [6k\]: so the one who wins now is the British champion this year?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: what a twist
BGAadmin [-\]: about what in particular, warfreak2? cold coffee? ;)
BGAadmin [-\]: Excalibor - yes
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no, my coffee was at drinking temperature when i went to get it
Excalibor [6k\]: cool... Nick must have done a great year to be in the finals now...
Excalibor [6k\]: cause I guess there are other 6,5,4 and 3d players to compete for the title...
Warfreak2 [4d\]: nick beat everyone at the challengers' league except matthew and me
maproomad [-\]: and Nick won game 2 of the match
Excalibor [6k\]: War: really? so you lost for points or SOS?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: unfortunately, i lost to almost everyone else at the challengers' league 
BGAadmin [-\]: and 4 wins, 2 losses at the candidates'
Excalibor [6k\]: War: oh, bummer
BGAadmin [-\]: (nick had, I mean)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: (-:
Warfreak2 [4d\]: next year, i will play less stupidly
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if i play as stupidly or more stupidly, you are hereby instructed to hit me on the head with my own fan
BGAadmin [-\]: who is receiving the instruction? I'll do my best to be there, but I don't necessarily have the know-how to judge the stupidity or otherwise of your move
BGAadmin [-\]: moves, even
Nyanjilla [-\]: just hit regularly... 
Nyanjilla [-\]: ^_^
Warfreak2 [4d\]: you, collectively, observers of the deciding game of the 2011 british championship
Excalibor [6k\]: War: we will remember this for next year, you know, right? ;-)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i encourage you to remember
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it will be my motivation
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;W[np]
;B[oq]
;W[nq]
;B[or]
;W[nr]
;B[pr]C[Excalibor [6k\]: good... we do expect great things from you, do not disappoint us ;-)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: are you in britain, excalibor?
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;W[jq]C[Excalibor [6k\]: nope
Excalibor [6k\]: but I once was
Warfreak2 [4d\]: oh
Excalibor [6k\]: at Sheffield
Rawrie [3k\]: Is there any other price except the title champion on the line?
BGAadmin [-\]: I will hit him for you as well as me, then, Excalibor
Warfreak2 [4d\]: the trophy is a goban
Excalibor [6k\]: great, BGA :-)
Nyanjilla [-\]: prize... 
BGAadmin [-\]: Rawrie - there are cash prizes for first and second place, also
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i believe there's cash
Rawrie [3k\]: Right sorry prize*
Rawrie [3k\]: It's the same word in Swedish >.<
Nyanjilla [-\]: the words are so similar-looking, but differnt meanings!
BGAadmin [-\]: we will, I understand, have the Sealed Move in 10 minutes
BGAadmin [-\]: or possibly 15
Warfreak2 [4d\]: or possibly 30, if nick takes 30 minutes for this move
Rawrie [3k\]: What an outrages comment
Rawrie [3k\]: Nick isn't playing slowly!
BGAadmin [-\]: nah, at the point maproom declares sealed moviness, Matthwe and I can stop concentrating and make a start on lunch, just the two Nicks have to wait for Nick to finish thinking
BGAadmin [-\]: 11 minutes time, apparently
maproomad [-\]: mhmm
RiceChips: this is terrible! where is go going?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: the players have taken ford prefect's advice, it seems, and endeavoured to play six impossible moves before breakfast
qQQp [-\]: trolls are no longer as good as they used to be either
YesWeKant [4d?\]: w seems just stronger than b
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;B[om]C[maproomad [-\]: Matthew is recording the game from Nick's side of the board
BGAadmin [-\]: W is, by a considerable margin, the finest British-born player there has ever been. But B theoretically has some years to catch up :)
BGAadmin [-\]: good heavens, maproomad
BGAadmin [-\]: does that give him a rotational advantage, I wonder?
Laman [4d\]: the written record is also required to seal a move, no?
Excalibor [6k\]: well, Matthew has lots of time, so it may be entertaining as well as useful for him ^^
maproomad [-\]: yes
BGAadmin [-\]: we could do it with just a piece of paper, Laman
BGAadmin [-\]: I assume. Not needing a whole record
Laman [4d\]: but record is more stylish :)
Excalibor [6k\]: lol
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;W[qh]C[BGAadmin [-\]: generally speaking I aver that expecting stylishness from Go players is a trifle optimistic :)
afar [2d\]: Has there been a lunch break yet?
BGAadmin [-\]: no, lunch will be in about 4 minutes
Excalibor [6k\]: so will next move be sealed?
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;B[ri]C[BGAadmin [-\]: apparently not ;)
Excalibor [6k\]: aha
BGAadmin [-\]: the decision is in the referee's hands
Excalibor [6k\]: the winner will be at WAGC, right?
BGAadmin [-\]: not necessarily
Excalibor [6k\]: oh?
BGAadmin [-\]: indeed, I don't know who's scheduled to eb ... WAGC representation is on a points system
Excalibor [6k\]: the UK representative is chosen through a different process?
maproomad [-\]: The sealed move will be announced in 90 seconds - the next move will then be sealed
Excalibor [6k\]: ah, interesting
Nyanjilla [-\]: selected by total points
BGAadmin [-\]: if the champion is someone who's won for the first time, Council may choose to send them instead
Excalibor [6k\]: thta looks very nice of them
BGAadmin [-\]: but fundamentally, we have a points system so people who aren't matthew have a chance to go ;)
Excalibor [6k\]: giving an opportunity to a rising star ^^
Excalibor [6k\]: yeah, that sounds sensible :)
BGAadmin [-\]: and other dedicated and good players
Excalibor [6k\]: I like the finnish system
BGAadmin [-\]: how does that work?
Nyanjilla [-\]: about now?
Excalibor [6k\]: it gives most of the top players a chance
Match [4k\]: when they get hungry
guojuan [5p\]: when is the lunch break?
Excalibor [6k\]: by points, but once you go to WAGC you are reset and have to start from zero
BGAadmin [-\]: the next move will be thes ealed move, guojuan
BGAadmin [-\]: Excalibor - like us, then
Nyanjilla [-\]: *hands guojuan a sandwich*
Excalibor [6k\]: ah, cool...
BGAadmin [-\]: http://britgo.org/reps/wamateur.html
maproomad [-\]: The nect move will be the sealed move - there will be nothing to see here for at lreast an hour
Excalibor [6k\]: i wish it would be the same in Spain, but wea re so few that it will probably not work
BGAadmin [-\]: right, chaps, nothing to see here now for about an hour; talk amongst yourselves, etc., :)
Excalibor [6k\]: ok, enjoy yourselves :)
snowman [-\]: lunch photos, please
Excalibor [6k\]: and cheer the players in our name, this is a really great game
BGAadmin [-\]: I will pass that on, thank you
BGAadmin [-\]: when Matthew makes a decision ...
Excalibor [6k\]: well, from my experience over UK, lunch is nothing to be memorable about... ;-)
Excalibor [6k\]: if it were dinner, though... :)
BGAadmin [-\]: heheh
BGAadmin [-\]: I have no idea what lunch will be like, but Mrs Nick's Mum has been pottering around dedicatedly, and I expect it'll be lovely
Excalibor [6k\]: ah
Excalibor [6k\]: that does make a difference, then!
Excalibor [6k\]: cheer her up as well! ^^
Excalibor [6k\]: War: let Nick know that, for your honor and the sake of your fan, he *has* to win ;-)
Excalibor [6k\]: (i wish I'd stop mixing brittish and american syntax, lol)
BGAadmin [-\]: no pressure!
Warfreak2 [4d\]: why
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i lost to both of them
Warfreak2 [4d\]: oh
Warfreak2 [4d\]: wait, no, i didn't
Excalibor [6k\]: but Nick is surely nicer to you ;-)
BGAadmin [-\]: /me patpats warfreak2
Excalibor [6k\]: did you win >Matthew?
Excalibor [6k\]: coool
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no, i beat nick
Excalibor [6k\]: ah
Excalibor [6k\]: right
Excalibor [6k\]: so cheer him up ;-)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: but anyway, if matthew wins, that will preserve my honor because it means i lost to the british champion
afar [2d\]: Won't it preserve your honour anyway?
Excalibor [6k\]: i should lunch as well but i wole up so late today i'm still in breakfast mode :-P
afar [2d\]: Because if Nick wins, you beat the British champion
Excalibor [6k\]: there :)
BGAadmin [-\]: either way, warfreak2 has honour?
afar [2d\]: I reckon the value added for someone being the british champion is equal to the value lost for someone not being the british champion
Warfreak2 [4d\]: that seems unlikely
Excalibor [6k\]: like in Pokémon, you always cheer the one who beat you :)
maproomad [-\]: best to be champion yoursek warf
Excalibor [6k\]: that will be next year, or else... ;-)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: good idea
Warfreak2 [4d\]: why don't i just do that
eslite [3k\]: id5 looks like numberwang
Excalibor [6k\]: it looks easier, right :)
afar [2d\]: warfreak2: I don't know why you hadn't thought of that already
Excalibor [6k\]: he was generous this year by playing bad games, next year he will play good games, he promised
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i didn't say that
afar [2d\]: It's okay, we said it for you
Excalibor [6k\]: well, close enough ;-)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i promise nothing
Excalibor [6k\]: do you know how hurtful can 600 fans be? :)
BGAadmin [-\]: right, move has been sealed, toodlepip!
Excalibor [6k\]: nice... 
afar [2d\]: I wonder what the move is
Excalibor [6k\]: bon apetit to everyone, we will hopefully be here to see the end of this :)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i *wish* i had 600 fans.
Excalibor [6k\]: lo, 600 are way too much :)
Excalibor [6k\]: but we do have 1 or 2 each ;-)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no, 1000 is the right amount
Excalibor [6k\]: will you let this demo open, BGA?
maproomad [-\]: The sealed move is now in my pocket
Excalibor [6k\]: or reopen it later?
BGAadmin [-\]: the clocks are at 114 minutes used for Nick, 74 minutes for matthew
maproomad [-\]: play is cheduled to resume in 50 minutes, it might be a bit late
BGAadmin [-\]: I will leave the demo open if I can ... yes, I think I can
Laman [4d\]: nice, is there going to be a lunch broadcast?
Excalibor [6k\]: cool
Excalibor [6k\]: then laters :)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: (different kind of fans: http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2008/03/1000_true_fans.php )
quanvt [8k\]: ht;pt
Backflash [9k\]: "decideing" what?
Excalibor [6k\]: ?
Excalibor [6k\]: white's next move had to be sealed as they had a pause for lunch
BillZhou [21k\]: anyone want to see a audio lecture by guojuan?
snowman [-\]: sorry, we are busy watching the lunch
bikle [4k\]: At what time they will resume playing ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: hammer time
bikle [4k\]: Thanks Warfreak, but what is hammer time ?
guojuan [5p\]: are they back?
snowman [-\]: see http://www.eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-UK
snowman [-\]: dessert time, i think
afar [2d\]: The lunchcam borders on creepy
Warfreak2 [4d\]: lol
Laman [4d\]: what is on the menu?
snowman [-\]: more wine...
RobertT [-\]: lol they dont think the camera's on
toadwarble [8k\]: They ought to read Toad's proverb 11
atomix [1k\]: is that matthew sipping wine?
BGAadmin [-\]: I am feeling very silly about the fact that we didn't stop the broadcast
Excalibor [6k\]: the camera is abit tilted though ^^
BGAadmin [-\]: however
Excalibor [6k\]: lol
BGAadmin [-\]: no, the combatants did not drink
snowman [-\]: how about the referee or the game recorder...
Excalibor [6k\]: so how was Nick's mom's bento? ^^
Excalibor [6k\]: who is madpromaas on the video stream? ^^
Excalibor [6k\]: whoah, Mathrew has a lot of hair, i am jealous, lol xD
Excalibor [6k\]: go, Nick, go! ^^
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;W[rg]C[Excalibor [6k\]: um, very interesting
BGAadmin [-\]: matthew says, in response to the sealed move, "ah, I thought I'd played there"
Excalibor [6k\]: LOL
lpjitf: British humor!
Excalibor [6k\]: hard choice for black now
BGAadmin [-\]: I apologise for the alarmingly swinging webcam
Match [4k\]: time to do the dishes
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;B[rf]C[Excalibor [6k\]: either closing the corner and let r11 be swallowed or risk r16 living
Excalibor [6k\]: a bit alarming, yes ^^
BGAadmin [-\]: Excalibor - Nick's Mum's cooking was superb, thank you. And she appreciated the cheers from the audience (in a very confused manner)
Excalibor [6k\]: who's right sat to your right, BGA?
Excalibor [6k\]: ^^
Excalibor [6k\]: well, good food is the most important issue for the mind
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick Wedd - aka maproom - is on my right
maproomad [-\]: I am
Excalibor [6k\]: hey there ^^
snowman [-\]: was the wine any good, nick
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;W[pi]C[Excalibor [6k\]: so you are the referee of this match?
Excalibor [6k\]: cool
BGAadmin [-\]: maproomad is obvioulsy the expert, but my "I don't know anything about wine but I know what I like" assessment was that it is jolly tasty and I'm going to drink it slowly :)
BGAadmin [-\]: and yes, maproom is the formal referee, because he knows actual rules better than I do
snowman [-\]: he didn't write them, did he
Laman [4d\]: what was for the lunch?
BGAadmin [-\]: shepherd's pie
Laman [4d\]: yum
BGAadmin [-\]: it was very good
atomix [1k\]: it was live too ^^
Excalibor [6k\]: i didn't know this was broadcast so i missed it xD
BGAadmin [-\]: I didn't know maproom hadn't stopped it, either
BGAadmin [-\]: the fact that I presumably wanderd around with "flopsie" on my back all noticeable for ages is embarrassing me
maproomad [-\]: the wine was Chassagne-Montrachet
Ludmila [3k\]: woha
Excalibor [6k\]: well, it's surely a good example of Go comraderie and wellfeeling ^^
Warfreak2 [4d\]: did the players drink wine?
Excalibor [6k\]: btw, where's this match played at? London?
afar [2d\]: Liquid strength
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;B[rh]C[maproomad [-\]: no, both abstained
BGAadmin [-\]: Camden, Excalibor
Warfreak2 [4d\]: absinthed?
BGAadmin [-\]: however, Matthew ate pudding - potentially soporific - and Nick did not
BGAadmin [-\]: no, no, Orange Juiced
Warfreak2 [4d\]: that is considerably less exciting
atomix [1k\]: the winner get the rest of the bottle, currently sitting near the board ^^
Laman [4d\]: by the way, don't worry about not stopping the cam, the lunch was lovely
Excalibor [6k\]: hehe
snowman [-\]: can we call you flopsie now
Excalibor [6k\]: Camden, ok...
Excalibor [6k\]: i have to talk my wife into letting me go to London go club for a game or two next time we go over there ^^
BGAadmin [-\]: (Nick's house, hence his mum cooking us lunch. The first game was at Matthew's house, and Kirsty provided lunch, the second at maproom's, and Sally cooked. Anyone making inferences about gender balance in british Go should now go and remember the schoolgirl who was a competitor last year. :) )
Warfreak2 [4d\]: join the british room, on the room list under national
BGAadmin [-\]: well said, warfreak2 :)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: we can direct you to club meetings
atomix [1k\]: are there many active clubs in britain?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: lots
Excalibor [6k\]: problem is not finding clubs, problem is convincing my wife into something she will findf boring and a loss of ger time ;-)
Excalibor [6k\]: ah, my typing really sucks
twillo [?\]: marriage?
Excalibor [6k\]: i cannot get her to like go :-P
donkisot [2d\]: is n17 a good move now?
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;W[hc]C[Excalibor [6k\]: a litle domestic dramma ;-)
BGAadmin [-\]: http://www.britgo.org/clubs/map
toadwarble [8k\]: This seems to be a common disease....
BGAadmin [-\]: many clubs
atomix [1k\]: what's the largest competition in britain?
xinyil [3k\]: there's a lot of things to do in London apart from Go
atomix [1k\]: in number of participans
Warfreak2 [4d\]: london open go congress
BGAadmin [-\]: the London Open Go Congress ..
Excalibor [6k\]: maybe b k15 is enough?
atomix [1k\]: how many attend usually?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: every year, 28th to 31st december, usually about 130 people or so?
snowman [-\]: i thought c4 is bigger
BGAadmin [-\]: 100-120, roughly, I think
atomix [1k\]: nice
Warfreak2 [4d\]: main tournament is 7 rounds, 90 minutes plus overtime
Excalibor [6k\]: snowman, we explored that approach with guojuan and final consensus was b c5 is better
Warfreak2 [4d\]: side-events are the lightning tournament, pair go, rengo, and a lecture by (usually) guo juan
BGAadmin [-\]: plus New Year party
Warfreak2 [4d\]: also guo juan hangs around and reviews games for people
xinyil [3k\]: which may or may not happen this year
BGAadmin [-\]: I don't know if we definitely have her this year or not
Warfreak2 [4d\]: new year party is the only place you would ever want to be on new year's eve
Excalibor [6k\]: that really is cool... i have family new year's party, being on a go tournament would be huge ^^
Warfreak2 [4d\]: party with go players
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;B[je]C[snowman [-\]: _white_ c4
Warfreak2 [4d\]: for anyone who has never met go players: go players are awesome
BGAadmin [-\]: for anyone who has never met Go players: hi, you've met us now, you know we're awesome
Excalibor [6k\]: snowman: guojuan is discussing right now w d5
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i mean IRL
Excalibor [6k\]: jay, k15 ^^
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;W[kd]C[Excalibor [6k\]: ??
Excalibor [6k\]: weird peep? or is it p17 too far?
afar [2d\]: Matthew may want to convince Nick that it is too far
afar [2d\]: I think Nick will argue
]
;B[jd]
;W[ib]C[Excalibor [6k\]: maybe Matthew is using r16 aji in this attack?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not much of that left
snowman [-\]: tenuki, please
BGAadmin [-\]: is matthew actually doing it as much to acquire the top left in greater quantity, rather than to attack the top right further?
snowman [-\]: this is so small
Excalibor [6k\]: maybe b d5 now is timely?
snowman [-\]: ask guo juan :)
afar [2d\]: If white wanted J18, it may be good style to peep first
afar [2d\]: But I don't really understand
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;B[jg]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has now used 131 minutes; Matthew has used 86
crazygogo: w can kill b15 and a14 with one stone only
Uberdude [4d?\]: he can kill them with 0 stones
afar [2d\]: Could take any stone from the board and still kill them :o
niv1010 [15k\]: its elrady dad and why are you responding to trolling?
niv1010 [15k\]: *ded
BGAadmin [-\]: dead, perchance?
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;W[nc]C[cucaiduong [1k\]: here they go
niv1010 [15k\]: if black O5 white is in troubels right?
]
;B[ob]C[atomix [1k\]: b sure likes these second line replies
cucaiduong [1k\]: o5 small, just 2 stone p5
]
;W[kb]
;B[jb]
;W[ja]C[niv1010 [15k\]: i dont understand what black is going for
morera: territory i'd imagine
Jye [3k\]: why is the move navigation disabled in demo games?
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;B[kc]C[BGAadmin [-\]: pass, but you can review it offline
]
;W[lb]
;B[md]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's disabled so you always follow what the demonstrator is showing
morera: the same could be said about actual games
Warfreak2 [4d\]: actual games do not have a demonstrator
morera: they have two
morera: or four
afar [2d\]: No, they have players and a single line of play
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no, they have players, and only one line
morera: how is that any different?
Excalibor [6k\]: well, we can think in real games, games are demonstrating themselves ^^
Jye [3k\]: aye, handling multiple lines may be the reason... easier just to disable it
morera: the reason i'd want to go back in a game are usually the same as in a demonstration
eslite [3k\]: u really want to fight over this XD
BGAadmin [-\]: if I were doing a conventional demo, there wouldn't be one line of stones/moves down there, there'd be a whole tree
Jye [3k\]: still, sucks for tourneys
BGAadmin [-\]: yeah, but it would be adding a lot of excess complications to have yet another type of game for relays
morera: ok that makes sense
snowman [-\]: demonstration and broadcast are a little different, but anyone care to explain wms that?
]
;W[ji]C[Kanin [-\]: tygem has a good system to handle these kind of situations
snowman [-\]: so why are we not on tygem now...
killerko [1d\]: How brittish ranks compare to kgs ranks?
Excalibor [6k\]: Tygem's interface is so hard to deal with it... I still doesn't know how to review a game with other players
eslite [3k\]: british ranks are more polite
killerko [1d\]: ?
BGAadmin [-\]: more seriously - at some levels, they are roughly equivalent on average
BGAadmin [-\]: *but*
BGAadmin [-\]: any one individual may play very differently OTB when compared to online
BGAadmin [-\]: so you should always take it with a pinch of salt, for an individual
killerko [1d\]: indeed
killerko [1d\]: Sorry but why is there a 3dan playing in the strongest category (I suppose) then? Is it some kind of open tournament?
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;B[kj]C[BGAadmin [-\]: there are several sections to answer that
afar [2d\]: There is a tournament beforehand, and the top 2 people play in the titel match
afar [2d\]: Nick did second best in that tournament, Matthew did best
niv1010 [15k\]: guo juan what do you say about p11 for black?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's because there are no 4 dans or 5 dans in britian.
afar [2d\]: (Nick is very strong in slow games, stronger than his rank indicates)
maproomad [-\]: It is the Briish championship, final three-game match
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick's grade is ... based on tournaments with relatively short time limits - 60 mins, usually ... he pretty much only loses on time. So his grade in a game like this is quite different ...7
wicket [2d\]: what's the time situation btw?
snowman [-\]: it's about won games, not rank
killerko [1d\]: Oh I see
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has used 140 minutes; Matthew has used 96
killerko [1d\]: I understand
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;W[lc]C[wicket [2d\]: wow matthew playing slowly
]
;B[ld]
;W[nd]C[snowman [-\]: hmm, i have played against several british 4 and 5 dans
snowman [-\]: did they become extinct
BGAadmin [-\]: nope
Javaness [2d\]: they just got beaten
BGAadmin [-\]: they just didn't do as well as Nick in either the Candidates' or the Challengers
Javaness [2d\]: probably the time limits were too fast for them
snowman [-\]: possible
BGAadmin [-\]: surely more that - those two events are 90 mins not 60. So they're long enoughf or Nick to start to shine
BGAadmin [-\]: except against warfreak2, obviously
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;B[mc]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: lol
]
;W[nb]
;B[mb]
;W[ma]
;B[ne]C[snowman [-\]: this just doesn't work
twillo [-\]: everyone beats wf2 'cause he's a noob
oasthouse [-\]: b can't do this
oasthouse [-\]: need o15 before n18
afar [2d\]: b doesn't need your 'rules'
snowman [-\]: thx, gg, sayonara
Match [4k\]: actually this is the game sequence
BruceLee1 [1k\]: n 15
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;W[od]
;B[pd]
;W[me]C[Excalibor [6k\]: um... twice has white won in the game, that looks weird ^^
oasthouse [-\]: aargh
BGAadmin [-\]: mmm
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b will sac one stone and ko
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;B[le]
;W[oe]
;B[nf]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: oh, maybe he won't, then
snowman [-\]: yeah, p16 wasn't too clever either
]
;W[of]
;B[og]C[BruceLee1 [1k\]: o 13
afar [2d\]: This seems quite bad
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's ok
Warfreak2 [4d\]: you do o13 n14 q13 p12 q14 q12 r13 t13 and still get captured
]
;W[ng]
;B[mf]C[snowman [-\]: eeh
]
;W[pg]
;B[oh]C[Match [4k\]: hm, undo
BGAadmin [-\]: yes, sorry
BGAadmin [-\]: I misclicked and then couldn't get the dratted mouse in the right place
Tabemasu [-\]: warfreak, w won't connect r13
BruceLee1 [1k\]: if it doesnt help for w why did he do it
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;W[pf]
;B[ph]C[Excalibor [6k\]: does b need r17?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: then w gains nothing and ends in gote
Tabemasu [-\]: w starts connecting back now i mean
niv1010 [15k\]: whits is dead right? why waste moves
Warfreak2 [4d\]: yes, so he gets nothing and b captures here in sente
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;W[pc]C[BruceLee1 [1k\]: nope
Match [4k\]: oh, some aji
BruceLee1 [1k\]: w cuts
Tabemasu [-\]: it's much better than him dying i think :)
Tabemasu [-\]: i didn't see this either, good move
Match [4k\]: does that mean it is sente for white ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: so b should sac o15 and play a ko
BruceLee1 [1k\]: b died
Excalibor [6k\]: if this is dead, a comeback will be really ahrd :/
BGAadmin [-\]: I wish I could work out why my reading was wrong. I'm seeing this working for black. b q18, w r17, then white's out of liberties after b r13. I thought?
killerko [1d\]: I don’t think it’s dead because of white aji
BruceLee1 [1k\]: q 18 is self atari
Warfreak2 [4d\]: white turns r18
killerko [1d\]: q18 for black
BruceLee1 [1k\]: yes
killerko [1d\]: then r17 white
Warfreak2 [4d\]: q18 super fails
Excalibor [6k\]: b r17?
killerko [1d\]: r13 black
BruceLee1 [1k\]: q18 is self atari for black
killerko [1d\]: menacing to kill
Excalibor [6k\]: at least he can save something?
killerko [1d\]: Self-atari ? how
BruceLee1 [1k\]: not self atari
BruceLee1 [1k\]: lol
killerko [1d\]: q18 ate white q17
BruceLee1 [1k\]: i thought u said p 19
BruceLee1 [1k\]: after b q 18
BruceLee1 [1k\]: then b r 14
killerko [1d\]: no r13 after white r17
BruceLee1 [1k\]: same thing
BruceLee1 [1k\]: b still dies
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;B[pb]
;W[qc]
;B[qg]
;W[qb]C[BruceLee1 [1k\]: see
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;B[kq]C[BruceLee1 [1k\]: :p
killerko [1d\]: partial death
BGAadmin [-\]: I am now the most confused annotator ever
BGAadmin [-\]: transcriber. Thingy.
Tabemasu [-\]: why?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: q18 for sente
BGAadmin [-\]: Matthew has muttered "yes, I knew you'd do something like this .."
Tabemasu [-\]: lol
BGAadmin [-\]: warfreak2 - to be fair, because I was failing to read. At least I know now where my reading was wrong
Kanin [-\]: that is very lol :)
Excalibor [6k\]: ^^
Warfreak2 [4d\]: d5 and ignore
Warfreak2 [4d\]: or maybe matthew will play d6
Excalibor [6k\]: b is trying to kill something to compensate the corner loss before going to the left side?
Match [4k\]: no need to ignore ?
killerko [1d\]: d5 = easy win
Neufx9 [7d\]: why ignore ?
BruceLee1 [1k\]: no ignore
Warfreak2 [4d\]: o3 easy sac after that corner
Neufx9 [7d\]: but it's huge !
Kanin [-\]: just kick off a ko I say
Warfreak2 [4d\]: d5 is huge
BruceLee1 [1k\]: yeah it huge
Excalibor [6k\]: War: agreed, for what tha's worth ^^
BruceLee1 [1k\]: o 3 is huge
Neufx9 [7d\]: not nearly as huge
Excalibor [6k\]: o3 looks small now
Kanin [-\]: letting black jump out and kill O3 is not only the points at O3, but that lets black cultivate a rather large moyo aswell
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;W[jp]C[Match [4k\]: looks can be deceiving
Kanin [-\]: nothing wrong with treating them lightly
Kanin [-\]: but to ignore seems to kind
BruceLee1 [1k\]: it is bad
Kanin [-\]: too*
Neufx9 [7d\]: ignoring is the surest way to put black back in the game
Kanin [-\]: that's my feeling to
Kanin [-\]: too*
Kanin [-\]: gosh...
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has now used 152 minutes; Matthew has used 104
BruceLee1 [1k\]: m 5
ikewa [8k\]: b lost
snowman [-\]: a tenuki after j18 would have brought a better result top right
killerko [1d\]: Black is thinking about invading white’s stronghold probably
snowman [-\]: too late!
ikewa [8k\]: no he is not
killerko [1d\]: He has no choice
ikewa [8k\]: he'll m4))
BGAadmin [-\]: well, he could choose to resign. That doesn't count, though
Tabemasu [-\]: this game is almost resignable already
killerko [1d\]: resign or desperate invasion 
killerko [1d\]: but honestly I don’t see how can black win this (maybe I am too weak)
snowman [-\]: is this going to be more embarrasing than the lunch :)
Tabemasu [-\]: he would just have to get really lucky
killerko [1d\]: There is no luck involve in the game of go
daft [3d\]: there is definitly luck in go
ikewa [8k\]: +1
Qi [-\]: deciding game of what?
Excalibor [6k\]: luck as random, true; luck as your opponent reads something wrongly, of course there is
BGAadmin [-\]: The British Go Championship, Qi
killerko [1d\]: This is more psychology and strenght of the player for me then luck
daft [3d\]: if there was no luck the strongest player would always win
killerko [1d\]: than
Warfreak2 [4d\]: a game can be decided by how much sleep you got last night
Qi [-\]: lol, im glad they all english names
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;B[lo]C[HW9x9 [1d\]: it is getting darker at the tv feed
ikewa [8k\]: i said?
Excalibor [6k\]: killerko: it is but still there is luck in the game
ikewa [8k\]: m4))))))))))
BGAadmin [-\]: we turned the light on a while back, HW9x9
HW9x9 [1d\]: ok^^
Excalibor [6k\]: Harry, it is probably getting darkwer outside too over there :)
BGAadmin [-\]: somewhat, yes
HW9x9 [1d\]: yes, here too
Warfreak2 [4d\]: at 4PM?
killerko [1d\]: Luck is not the proper name for this
snowman [-\]: darker times are coming by
Excalibor [6k\]: here's still all bright and sunny and actally warm
Excalibor [6k\]: ^^
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;W[mo]C[ThunderGod [5d\]: I would sacrafice o4.
Neufx9 [7d\]: this looks weird
oasthouse [-\]: yes
oasthouse [-\]: Guo Juan will not be pleased :-)
Excalibor [6k\]: lol
snowman [-\]: matthew expects to have a similar result here
oasthouse [-\]: b m4 then?
]
;B[ko]C[miao [6d\]: how did vanessa do?
BGAadmin [-\]: last year, you mean?
BGAadmin [-\]: she won one, lost three games against Matthew who's playing white today
miao [6d\]: oh
miao [6d\]: -.-
afar [2d\]: 'Hi I'm back is Matthew mad' from guojuan
BGAadmin [-\]: hahahahahah
Shadowman [2d\]: :-)
Shadowman [2d\]: that sure sounds like her
Warfreak2 [4d\]: she knows already
Warfreak2 [4d\]: having met matthew often enough, surely she has no doubt about the answer
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;W[nm]C[Excalibor [6k\]: is Nick in overtime now?
BGAadmin [-\]: no
ikewa [8k\]: it's getting interesting
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has 18 minutes of main time left, Matthew has 73
BGAadmin [-\]: Canadian overtime is 10 moves in 10 minutes
ikewa [8k\]: n7?
snowman [-\]: i see a ko
fbp [6d\]: how ko?
miao [6d\]: l2
fbp [6d\]: n2
miao [6d\]: hm
fbp [6d\]: m2 is sente eye
daft [3d\]: after W extends out I don't see what B has
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;B[nn]C[ikewa [8k\]: ?
liamsgo [11k\]: ?
BGAadmin [-\]: sorry, confused moment
]
;W[mn]C[BGAadmin [-\]: this is the correct line
Excalibor [6k\]: oh
Ludmila [3k\]: s7 not played, maybe the last chance ?
maproomad [-\]: sorry, I confused BGAadmin's computer
Tabemasu [-\]: l2 n2 m4?
Excalibor [6k\]: Nick, you did what? ^^
Ludmila [3k\]: oh, no...
snowman [-\]: computer confucius
ikewa [8k\]: u speak like master Yoda))
BGAadmin [-\]: I nipped out for a moment and left maproom in charge and he isn't used to this funny touchpad and its silly settings
Excalibor [6k\]: ah xD
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;B[mm]C[Excalibor [6k\]: nice tea service ^^
BGAadmin [-\]: yep :) Coffee, though - nice coffee
Excalibor [6k\]: the British finalists surely are lucky :)
liamsgo [11k\]: can W connect out under L3 and make this moot for B?
Excalibor [6k\]: w m3 makes 1 eye
Excalibor [6k\]: and w l2 is ko
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;W[ln]C[Tabemasu [-\]: m2 is sente eye, it's better
Excalibor [6k\]: Tabe: right, i meant m2
Excalibor [6k\]: thx ^^
Tabemasu [-\]: ah
liamsgo [11k\]: i see
Tabemasu [-\]: then you're right :P
liamsgo [11k\]: thanks
]
;B[nl]
;W[jr]C[snowman [-\]: ah, it was all a sacrifice plan
BruceLee1 [1k\]: n2 
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;B[mr]
;W[ms]
;B[ls]C[power [2k\]: Bruce Lee played go?
]
;W[ns]C[ThunderGod [5d\]: Sure.
power [2k\]: with nunchacks?
power [2k\]: nunchucks :)
BruceLee1 [1k\]: yes
power [2k\]: great
Kizamu [1k\]: how much time left for both?
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;B[kr]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has used 175 minutes; Matthew has used 112
Kizamu [1k\]: ty :)
BGAadmin [-\]: so Nick has 5 and overtime left; Matthew has 68 plus overtime
CalicoJack [6k?\]: sonds like b may have time worries before the end
twillo [-\]: 10/10 is quite manageable 
BGAadmin [-\]: eminently
BGAadmin [-\]: remember that as well as being a glacially slow player, Nick was also British Lightning Champion 2010
javaman [3k\]: I like white
killerko [1d\]: 10 /10 is a weird byoyomi setting
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;W[km]C[CalicoJack [6k?\]: ok  I see now  didn't know it was canadian time
BGAadmin [-\]: and ... I ... have this kind of odd feeling that the trophy on the mantlepiece here might be the British Lightning Cup. It's certainly awfully familiar ...
Warfreak2 [4d\]: is there one?
BGAadmin [-\]: (maproom has gone to look for me)
daft [3d\]: that's actually pretty typical of players who are good at blitz (to use all their time in slow games)
donkisot [2d\]: j6 
BGAadmin [-\]: well, Nick won *something* in Edinburgh, Warfreak2
daft [3d\]: since they are not afraid of playing 100 moves in byoyomi
BGAadmin [-\]: I mean, I took a photo. It was quite a good photo of Nick
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if there is, i shall be raiding nick's house at my next convenience
snowman [-\]: white is certainly not simplifying this game
javaman [3k\]: isn't L6 better than L7 for white?
BruceLee1 [1k\]: no
javaman [3k\]: white may try abandon O4 group
killerko [1d\]: why 10/10 ?
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;B[jm]C[BGAadmin [-\]: why not?
]
;W[jl]C[killerko [1d\]: It’s the first time I see a canadian byo-yomi of 10/10
BruceLee1 [1k\]: m4 takes out eyes
kisekigo: with 5/5 too much time is wasted resetting the clock
killerko [1d\]: We usually  25/10 or 15/10 in candian tournament
BGAadmin [-\]: yeah ... tbh I think I'd say the same applied to this 10/10 too, based on Nick's games.OTOH I haven't tried to administer any without a player who spends so much time in overtime :)
Gabalon [-\]: but u have less then 180min maintime there
BGAadmin [-\]: yes - for tournaments with shorter maintime the shorter overtime, more stones balance is normal here
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;B[jn]C[killerko [1d\]: even in the longest touranement game I have seen which was 150 min I think it was 15/10
power [2k\]: I think b has no chances here
Match [4k\]: l9 
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;W[kk]C[killerko [1d\]: Anyway I was just asking out of curiosity
kisekigo: 10/10 is modern version of 1 minute byoyomi
Uberdude [4d?\]: seems they played some go since i left
Uberdude [4d?\]: but still haven't played bottom left corner!
BGAadmin [-\]: I ... tend to think of Canadian as not so much a modern version of byoyomi as an amateur version, where each game doesn't have a bevy of people to administer the thing
BGAadmin [-\]: Uber - that would be correct, yes
Nyanjilla [-\]: maybe there's a trap in that corner
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick's flag has fallen
power [2k\]: Uberdude, they waiting for you
killerko [1d\]: canadian byo-yomi of 10/10 is not exactly like a 1min byo-yomi since you can choose how you spend your time
BGAadmin [-\]: yeah, but it's a substitute
Excalibor [6k\]: still 10/10 is quite paced
BGAadmin [-\]: for purposes of simplicity
killerko [1d\]: Yes
]
;B[il]C[Excalibor [6k\]: my last tourney was 1h + 25/10 that was quite fast ^^
]
;W[ik]
;B[hk]C[Excalibor [6k\]: or omething like that, it didn't look like a lot of time to think :-P
BruceLee1 [1k\]: 1h is not fast
killerko [1d\]: Here it’s basic time for tourney
Excalibor [6k\]: maybe 15/5? dunno...
Excalibor [6k\]: can't remember :)
javaman [3k\]: J7
BGAadmin [-\]: my tourney's done accelerated overtime: 20/5, 40/5, 60/5, 80/5 ... no one has yet claimed the prize for completing 60/5
Excalibor [6k\]: 20/5 (!!) even faster
javaman [3k\]: J7 for white, black is broken
BruceLee1 [1k\]: j7 then then j 6 for black
BruceLee1 [1k\]: i mean white
Excalibor [6k\]: it was 1h +20/5 ... ah, the times... ^^
BGAadmin [-\]: (warfreak2: I'm describing the right time limits there, right? Or anyone else who's been? I'm not confused, no?)
freq [1d?\]: h8 looks better to me
Uberdude [4d?\]: i got through 2 periods at trigantius which were 40/3
Uberdude [4d?\]: even killed a group in int
oasthouse [-\]: 40/3. Who would have such a crazy time limit?
evanj [-\]: wait, does "deciding game" imply that b beat w once in this series?
Uberdude [4d?\]: i think that was the limits at the hospital?
BGAadmin [-\]: some weirdo, oasthouse, some weirdo
Nyanjilla [-\]: a tournament director who wants the games to end promplty...
oasthouse [-\]: Madness
BGAadmin [-\]: evanj - yes
evanj [-\]: wow
BGAadmin [-\]: you should be able tos ee the game in my info, I think
maproomad [-\]: W has won both previous games in this match, so it is currently one-all
Uberdude [4d?\]: big komi
BGAadmin [-\]: yep
bert [2d\]: so its not decidin, but staying in the match for nick?
BGAadmin [-\]: no
BGAadmin [-\]: it's best of three
BruceLee1 [1k\]: j 7 doesnt work
BGAadmin [-\]: so this is the decider
Zarkin [2k\]: 2:1 for matthew?
BGAadmin [-\]: only if he wins this game ;)
Zarkin [2k\]: its 1:1 only?
Uberdude [4d?\]: guos idea of h5 for h3 seems prudent
liamsgo [11k\]: Nick played white one match - they alternated - it's 1:1
BGAadmin [-\]: yes, it's 1:1
Zarkin [2k\]: didnt you satrted this month ago, like in june?
Uberdude [4d?\]: but maybe h3 not only move
afar [2d\]: Zarkin: The games are a little sporadic, when/where the players are aailable
BGAadmin [-\]: Zarkin - yes. Each game takes a day. And we have to find a day all of us are available on
Zarkin [2k\]: what exactly is this? strange format for UK championship
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;W[ij]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: what was guos conclusion of what happened on the top?
BGAadmin [-\]: what do you mean "what is it"?
BGAadmin [-\]: it's the British Championship
Zarkin [2k\]: how comes its a 1 vs1 best of 3 series?
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;B[hm]C[BGAadmin [-\]: see http://britgo.org/bchamp/rules
Uberdude [4d?\]: because these are top 2 picked from previous tournaments
Uberdude [4d?\]: first a tournament open to all 1k+
BGAadmin [-\]: there are two preceding tournaments ... firstly, anyone who qualifies as a result of their play in any UK tournament (plus being a BGA member, and either resident for five years or entitled to a UK citizen)
Uberdude [4d?\]: then top 7 of that plus last years champ play all play all league
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;W[lj]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: then top 2 of that play title match
Excalibor [6k\]: now b should play on the left
praeludium [5d\]: b is getting macfaydenized
Zarkin [2k\]: in germany you have tournaments too (qualifier), but then the final round is a 8 man tournament, everyone plays everyone
Uberdude [4d?\]: seems a very sensible format
Uberdude [4d?\]: we have 8 all play all too
BGAadmin [-\]: but then a title match between the top two
praeludium [5d\]: in Britain they never do like in the continent :)
BGAadmin [-\]: how do you break ties if the german 8-player thing has a cycle?
evanj [-\]: how did a 3d get so far?
BGAadmin [-\]: his rank is ... dubious
Uberdude [4d?\]: british go is weak
evanj [-\]: ah :D
grmaster [1d?\]: hehe
BGAadmin [-\]: in that he plays very well but very very slowly
BGAadmin [-\]: almost all of his losses are on time
evanj [-\]: ah
evanj [-\]: interesting
BGAadmin [-\]: the championship games have longer time limits, so he does better
Zarkin [2k\]: i see
evanj [-\]: they should award him an official asterisk
Zarkin [2k\]: such people does exist
Nyanjilla [-\]: we'd be looking into his games for sandbagging, if they were on KGS...
praeludium [5d\]: how old is he, 
praeludium [5d\]: ? 
Uberdude [4d?\]: 27
Uberdude [4d?\]: or maybe 28
suprspider [3d\]: lol nyan
grmaster [1d?\]: time controls seem this important ^^
evanj [-\]: is there a eurogotv of this?
bokego [2d?\]: w doesnt seem to like to get stones eaten
Nyanjilla [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-UK
BGAadmin [-\]: yes, see the game info or my info
evanj [-\]: thanks
Zarkin [2k\]: bgaadmin: the tournament is decided by sos, and ssos points etc. normal machmahon tournamament i think
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;B[gq]C[bokego [2d?\]: maybe b should try to capture the k3 stones 
grmaster [1d?\]: wow
evanj [-\]: wow, nice hair
BGAadmin [-\]: he appears to agree, bokego :)
grmaster [1d?\]: good call
liamsgo [11k\]: I still think W should just take the left side and call it a day
liamsgo [11k\]: more than enough
praeludium [5d\]: what magical way macfayden will pick now? 
bokego [2d?\]: mayube b coulda played one move at c3 first tho
snowman [-\]: it's all ok unless white gets mad
Zarkin [2k\]: yeah, first thing i remmebred about matthew was his hair :)
evanj [-\]: i always thought he was by far the strongest player in the UK
Uberdude [4d?\]: he's lost his beard though
evanj [-\]: there was a beard? sorry i missed that
BGAadmin [-\]: he's by far the strongest UK-born player in the UK
BGAadmin [-\]: and he used to have a *magnificent* beard
praeludium [5d\]: g4 h4 g5 seems enough? 
evanj [-\]: so he is less than 3 stones but still significantly stonger than b, i gather
BGAadmin [-\]: but then this Chinese 12-year-old showed up - nearly a decade ago now - and beat everyone up. And then the dan players realised beards weren't compulsory so lots of them shaved
evanj [-\]: :D
BGAadmin [-\]: evanj - yep, probably
Warfreak2 [4d\]: who was that?
evanj [-\]: oh, doesn't EGF only go up to 6d?
ManOfLOL [5k\]: has white ever represented britain in the wagc?
Uberdude [4d?\]: http://www.britgo.org/importfiles/pictures/mrm.jpg
Uberdude [4d?\]: many times monoflol
Zarkin [2k\]: 7d evanj
evanj [-\]: ah, thanks uber
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;W[gp]C[Zarkin [2k\]: but they are changing it right now to 8d
Nyanjilla [-\]: is well-known for playing tengen in the WAGC
evanj [-\]: seems the hair has migrated since that photo was taken
Excalibor [6k\]: ok, g3 smaller than d5, right gang?
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;B[hp]
;W[go]C[evanj [-\]: ok, so it's not a case where he has outpaced the top of the ranking system
Nyanjilla [-\]: once, long ago... but the organisers never forgot it
evanj [-\]: that is all for my stupid semi-irrelevant questions now, thank you for your indulgence
BGAadmin [-\]: don't think so, no, evanj. And you're welcome :)
BGAadmin [-\]: hm
ManOfLOL [5k\]: thanks uber
BGAadmin [-\]: there's normally questions at some point about what the players are wearing; perhaps the video renders them irrelevant
Zarkin [2k\]: somehow this is cool, playing at the player home and a best of series
evanj [-\]: we could always ask what you are wearing, i suppose
evanj [-\]: but i won't
BGAadmin [-\]: if you'd been watching at lunch you'd know ;)
evanj [-\]: ah
evanj [-\]: see, i miss everything
BGAadmin [-\]: my hoodie says "flopsie" on the back
Zarkin [2k\]: this game looks really hard for b
evanj [-\]: yes
liamsgo [11k\]: b is in 10/10 now? 
evanj [-\]: i think g3 maybe was too small-scale
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;B[hq]C[BGAadmin [-\]: liamsgo
American [10k\]: o5 
BGAadmin [-\]: yes, he has about  3 miutes and 4 stones remaining
liamsgo [11k\]: thanks
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;W[ho]C[ManOfLOL [5k\]: im sure w and fernando aguilar are evenly matched
ManOfLOL [5k\]: judging on the beards
BGAadmin [-\]: they have, I believe, had fun games
BGAadmin [-\]: one particularly, at ... was it last year's wagc? It was an awesome game
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;B[io]C[ManOfLOL [5k\]: neat :)
evanj [-\]: i suppose w can't protect both the side and the corner
BGAadmin [-\]: might have been longer ago ... I remember Svejk waving it at us very enthusiastically at Go Club
Excalibor [6k\]: xD
Svejk [-\]: That was vs Jan Simara
BGAadmin [-\]: oh, was it? Dang
Excalibor [6k\]: BGA, that sounds like Hikaru no Go stuff ;-)
evanj [-\]: macfayden no go
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;W[ip]
;B[kn]C[evanj [-\]: is that mrs. macfayden?
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;W[lm]
;B[er]C[oniscoid [2k\]: thanks for the commentary :)
BGAadmin [-\]: it is indeed, though she is not called Mrs Macfadyen :)
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;W[dr]C[evanj [-\]: good for her
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;B[fr]C[Nyanjilla [-\]: technically, she is... 
mungo [-\]: No fancy digital clock, accurate to hundredths of a sec and keeping track of moves left to play !?
BGAadmin [-\]: is she? I thought she'd kept her name consistently?
BGAadmin [-\]: mungo - certailny not!
BGAadmin [-\]: :)
snowman [-\]: this is britain, after all
Nyanjilla [-\]: oh, she keeps her name
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick now moves on to his second lot of overtime
BGAadmin [-\]: Nyanjilla - as far as I know
evanj [-\]: i don't know how well my wife would tolerate having a KGS- and video-broadcasted tournament go game in our living room
Excalibor [6k\]: w d3 looks to secure a huge corner?
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;W[dp]C[Nyanjilla [-\]: you need to persuade her, evanj...
BGAadmin [-\]: evanj - Nick's mum seems a bit perplexed by it. Kirsty plays herself - she and Matthew have until very recently been British Pair Go Champions most of the time - and is entirely unphased by it
Excalibor [6k\]: evanj: lol, you would just have to bride her properly :-)
evanj [-\]: oh, ok, fair enough
Nyanjilla [-\]: tell her it'd be fun
Uberdude [4d?\]: if b can't tenuki
Uberdude [4d?\]: game over
bokego [2d?\]: f2 seems bad move
evanj [-\]: i don't think it _would_ be fun :D
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;B[ir]C[bokego [2d?\]: at least go at f3
evanj [-\]: plus the cats would inevitably jump on the board 
Nyanjilla [-\]: awwwwww
Excalibor [6k\]: LOL
Excalibor [6k\]: Neko no Go :)
BGAadmin [-\]: apparently our window - which is behind me - has just been attacked by a pigeon
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;W[is]C[Nyanjilla [-\]: yikes
Excalibor [6k\]: really??
Excalibor [6k\]: are you alright?
Nyanjilla [-\]: it wants to play roo?
BGAadmin [-\]: there was a flutter and a clunk and a flutter
evanj [-\]: wonder why matthew is writing down the game when it's being transcribed onto KGS
BGAadmin [-\]: I think it wanted to join the fun, yes
miao [6d\]: matthew and who?
BGAadmin [-\]: evanj - I don't think we have an answer to that
evanj [-\]: well, that's better than a flutter and a clunk and then no more flutter
BGAadmin [-\]: true, very true
Excalibor [6k\]: maybe it watched Alfred Hitchcock's and tried a reherseal?
liamsgo [11k\]: matthew is keeping his own kifu while playing?
maproomad [-\]: His record may be needed for the next sealed move
BGAadmin [-\]: miao - matthew and who what?
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;B[hs]
;W[js]C[BGAadmin [-\]: maproomad - we could manage without it, if he weren't making one, though
miao [6d\]: mrs macfaden discussion
orestis [4d?\]: w nasty
Nyanjilla [-\]: some players like to have a different view of the board, from a kifu
liamsgo [11k\]: I guess that makes sense... 
BD96 [2d\]: b have no chance
evanj [-\]: it does?
Backflash [9k\]: it doesn't
orestis [4d?\]: b has to defend
Backflash [9k\]: potition does not change
BGAadmin [-\]: miao - Kirsty Healey, 1k, is Matthew's wife, and visible in the video some of the time, she's pottering around
miao [6d\]: ah ok
miao [6d\]: thx
orestis [4d?\]: h6 for me
BGAadmin [-\]: yw
bokego [2d?\]: f3 instead of f2 i think is alot better to expose some weakness in w shape
Excalibor [6k\]: go playing wifes make it so much easier, lol
Backflash [9k\]: kyu pottering yeah? i object against this high dans must do it!
evanj [-\]: b made things much harder for himself with g3 i fear
liamsgo [11k\]: my wife keeps slipping into pente rules.
orestis [4d?\]: ah no mised snapback
praeludium [5d\]: j2 should be h1 or h2
praeludium [5d\]: now the correct move is h2
praeludium [5d\]: and j2 looks wrong
Match [4k\]: but black threatens m2 
praeludium [5d\]: m2 m3
bokego [2d?\]: how does w answer f3 instead of f2?
Match [4k\]: oh right
Uberdude [4d?\]: e4 
Doomkid [8k\]: im american so i dont know my geography; what is matthew's picture of?
lockelaton [3k\]: h2 l1 m2 l4 m4 n4 m3 j6 j7 k5 
liamsgo [11k\]: ...
bokego [2d?\]: then push thru and cut uber
Chillzone5 [10k\]: l4?
Backflash [9k\]: weak troll
liamsgo [11k\]: Doomkid - the UK
orestis [4d?\]: matthew pic is  austarlia
Backflash [9k\]: get lost
praeludium [5d\]: great britain I think 
BGAadmin [-\]: the red is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
BGAadmin [-\]: I think
BGAadmin [-\]: technically
BGAadmin [-\]: Great Britain is only the big red lump. I think.
praeludium [5d\]: oh ok 
bokego [2d?\]: better to capture the g4 stones than the k3 ones anyway
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;B[fq]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: how do you do that?
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;W[fp]C[BGAadmin [-\]: how does who do what?
Uberdude [4d?\]: f3 e4 f4 f5 e5 f7 
BGAadmin [-\]: oh, I see
praeludium [5d\]: still h2
twillo [-\]: I believe the scottish isles are also Great Britain 
Viheton [1d\]: ko
evanj [-\]: dude you should really know that that's te UK
evanj [-\]: seirously
Uberdude [4d?\]: the isle of man is not though
evanj [-\]: i'm so upset by this i can't type anymore
kamistar [?\]: awakening! other player is in good light!
BGAadmin [-\]: the Scottish isles are pictured
kisekigo: Jenny where did nick play?
justdidit [1k\]: L1 necessary now?
Doomkid [8k\]: dude its tiny, if it was compared to other land i could probably tell
maproomad [-\]: that is why the IoM's two pixels are a darker red
twillo [-\]: but they are not in the big red lump
Backflash [9k\]: kgs too easy to troll i guess
BGAadmin [-\]: I don't know which club he goes to most often these days - I've certainly seen him at Central London
BGAadmin [-\]: oh, I see what you mean, twillo. Point!
Doomkid [8k\]: i mean any other land than northern ireland lol
praeludium [5d\]: at least he asked, which denote some curious and is good
evanj [-\]: is the isle of man really darker? i can't see
praeludium [5d\]: curiosity
Uberdude [4d?\]: yes, nick, it did seem a bit darker
BGAadmin [-\]: it does look it, evanj
bokego [2d?\]: it gives w bad ajhi.. now atac the f5 stones for a while and thenthe corner is vulnerable... i think that d2 was probably a mistake from w
evanj [-\]: well done
evanj [-\]: who is nick?
Viheton [1d\]: black 
Backflash [9k\]: Nick i guess
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;B[eo]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: maproom
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;W[ep]C[evanj [-\]: oh
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;B[ds]C[praeludium [5d\]: c2
justdidit [1k\]: !
orestis [4d?\]: i dont want to defend in gote  cries b
miao [6d\]: c2
kimlongVN [-\]: M2
praeludium [5d\]: black semeai skills are no good
lyricalsea [4d\]: But D2 ends in gote for black
evanj [-\]: this is still gote
justdidit [1k\]: bid loss of aji in corner
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;W[cs]C[justdidit [1k\]: big
Uberdude [4d?\]: matthew likes semeias
evanj [-\]: yes, i don't really like this ove
evanj [-\]: move*
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;B[es]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: in his reviews i am struck how often we end up counting liberties
praeludium [5d\]: you take lesssons with him? 
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;W[cq]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: not personally, but we have uk strong player training weekends
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has 6 minutes and 4 stones of his second overtime; Matthew has 45 minutes of his maintime
bokego [2d?\]: uber maybe. b can go e6 in sente then cut at d3 d4 c3 f2 e1 f1 c5 or something
evanj [-\]: that's adorable
Backflash [9k\]: =\\
praeludium [5d\]: g1
Uberdude [4d?\]: bokego, yes it certainly makes bigger aji
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;B[br]C[evanj [-\]: beh
Uberdude [4d?\]: the problem is if you need to defend anyway, w's next move will be to fix bigger
evanj [-\]: b's play here is not impressing me at all
Excalibor [6k\]: the sun is blinding Nick!
lyricalsea [4d\]: B2?
praeludium [5d\]: h2
Excalibor [6k\]: this is an added handicap :)
justdidit [1k\]: g1?
Chrille [2k\]: time
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;W[cr]C[evanj [-\]: i think maybe he is being called into the light
BGAadmin [-\]: there's this player in Newcastle who's called Tom and we call him Peeping Tom because he never doesn't peep, but this is remarkable similar
lyricalsea [4d\]: Oh, this is Canadian overtime?
oasthouse [-\]: b still needs a move inside
Backflash [9k\]: yep
evanj [-\]: yes he does
Nyanjilla [-\]: isn't the sun shiniing on Nick's face?
Chrille [2k\]: playing in the nick of time
Excalibor [6k\]: yes, 10 stones in 10 minutes
evanj [-\]: he cannot get sente no matter what he does
afar [2d\]: That's not quite accurate
justdidit [1k\]: and gave all in corner for a yose move
evanj [-\]: it's not?
afar [2d\]: It's not
evanj [-\]: why not?
lyricalsea [4d\]: I guess afar means that black can play ko?
lyricalsea [4d\]: Though I doubt it would be a good idea for black
oasthouse [-\]: it's not a practical ko now
evanj [-\]: certainly not
afar [2d\]: I actually meant that black can tenuki and sacrifice the group
Match [4k\]: black could just take sente
praeludium [5d\]: where do you see a ko? 
Excalibor [6k\]: so, who said it was always foggy in London? xD
snowman [-\]: the sun is shining
Backflash [9k\]: sun?!
praeludium [5d\]: you mean take sente for something that is more than 40 points? 
afar [2d\]: I didn't say it was a good idea
oasthouse [-\]: if b tenukis then w j3, b g2 is the best line, but not realistic for b
Excalibor [6k\]: if the camera tilts a bit more, it will fall ^^
kamistar [?\]: I thought it was angelic light
lyricalsea [4d\]: wJ3 bG1?
niv1010 [15k\]: lol ko is the only way, why is he thinking so much?
maproomad [-\]: The sealed move for the tea break will be announced in 8 minutes
niv1010 [15k\]: tea break?
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;B[gs]C[evanj [-\]: ko is not the only way
Chrille [2k\]: tea break? :)
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;W[gl]
;B[hl]C[lyricalsea [4d\]: So white has to H1 first
lyricalsea [4d\]: G1*
evanj [-\]: of course, there has to be a tea break
lyricalsea [4d\]: When black G2
lyricalsea [4d\]: Then*
evanj [-\]: with cucumber sandwiches
lyricalsea [4d\]: And ko
oasthouse [-\]: no lyriclsea
Excalibor [6k\]: this is UK, so there must be atea break ^^
lyricalsea [4d\]: I think?
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;W[oi]C[niv1010 [15k\]: how come black is so fast?
Nyanjilla [-\]: bit late for a tea-break, surely?
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;B[mj]C[orestis [4d?\]: haha b made w so strong he doesnt  want to extend on left anymore
BGAadmin [-\]: lunch was quite late
evanj [-\]: this game must be almost over
praeludium [5d\]: game is over
Uberdude [4d?\]: oh dear, look at SE
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick moves on to his third overtime
Uberdude [4d?\]: it's not stupidly wrong
lyricalsea [4d\]: @oasthouse, can you explain?
BGAadmin [-\]: I can't see SE :(
kamistar [?\]: well waiting ragequ.. err...resign to be soon
Uberdude [4d?\]: w+75
BGAadmin [-\]: ow
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;W[nh]C[oasthouse [-\]: lyricalsea: I'll clone
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;B[qh]C[lyricalsea [4d\]: Ok
lyricalsea [4d\]: thanks :)
evanj [-\]: it is inaccurate but not hugely hugely so...
oasthouse [-\]: cloned in British room
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;W[mi]
;B[li]C[evanj [-\]: good move
evanj [-\]: w's, thati s
lockelaton [3k\]: cant cut
niv1010 [15k\]: how is black playing so fast?
Match [4k\]: just did
liamsgo [11k\]: niv1010 - he's in 10/10 overtime
evanj [-\]: what do oyu mean, niv?
BGAadmin [-\]: he has to, he only has 10 minutes to make 10 moves. And wants to have some long thinking time
evanj [-\]: for one thing he is in byo yomi
oasthouse [-\]: sorry lyricalsea, you were right
justdidit [1k\]: nic1010 he calculated before i suppose
niv1010 [15k\]: you cant eiven see the white stone getting pressed and there is a new black stone
evanj [-\]: that's just network lag
niv1010 [15k\]: ohh lol
BGAadmin [-\]: oh - the webcam is lagging
evanj [-\]: or, alternatively, b is the flash
koticgood [4k\]: omg
niv1010 [15k\]: or he can reed minds
kamistar [?\]: don't you have shades?
koticgood [4k\]: i was just typing a longer version of a The Flash joke
niv1010 [15k\]: *read
toadwarble [8k\]: sun looks like it's in Nick's face
evanj [-\]: no, he is in the sun's face
Koishi [11k\]: is there a video of this game on the net?
BGAadmin [-\]: yes, see the game info
Uberdude [4d?\]: w can sac p11
Match [4k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-UK
Uberdude [4d?\]: all he needs to do is make k11 alive
justdidit [1k\]: b going for the kill?
Uberdude [4d?\]: then b can't use any double threat to help break left side
evanj [-\]: well he is almost out of options
Koishi [11k\]: thanks
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;W[lf]C[oasthouse [-\]: cute
stonedaze [3k\]: With all that assive W thickness to connect to the White centre group has no worries
stonedaze [3k\]: massive!
maproomad [-\]: The selad move for tea will be announced in two minutes
evanj [-\]: BGAadmin and I have the same Gmail theme
Uberdude [4d?\]: it is better to live localy that rely on connecting
Match [4k\]: is that a tesuji 
oasthouse [-\]: It's like that hikaru game where he is secretly imagining a very large komi against himself, so he has to win by 50 on the board, but no-one else knows this
Uberdude [4d?\]: if you are alive locally you have a free hand to deal with the left
bert [2d\]: salad move for tea break?
evanj [-\]: uberdude speaks wisely, pay attention
justdidit [1k\]: M14 so shiny
stonedaze [3k\]: Sure
lyricalsea [4d\]: Does M14 actually work, though?
niv1010 [15k\]: hikaru no go is awesome
Uberdude [4d?\]: it works at making nick use time
oasthouse [-\]: not sure. b can give n14 if he takes m7
Uberdude [4d?\]: that is all it needs to do
stonedaze [3k\]: I know he's wise!
evanj [-\]: haha
stonedaze [3k\]: :-)
liamsgo [11k\]: its complicated, that works in his favor given the time situation
Doomkid [8k\]: HNG would be better if hikaru and sai didnt cry ALLLLL the time
orestis [4d?\]: nice move
evanj [-\]: crying makes you stronger
Match [4k\]: at least black cannot capture at m9 
justdidit [1k\]: in fact after M13N13 i dont see what w can do
HelloQtion [-\]: just n13 ?
BGAadmin [-\]: the next move will be the sealed move
niv1010 [15k\]: if sai wos alive and made the hand of god it would have being way better
Doomkid [8k\]: i dont need sai alive but i gotta know what the hand of god looks like
justdidit [1k\]: (apart some kikashi)
markjgc [6k\]: isn't q14 sente?
kisekigo: How long is tea break?
oasthouse [-\]: If I were B I'd be tempted to take at M9, let W take N14 and then try to give W's big group a shock
niv1010 [15k\]: lol, just look at shusaku games
Excalibor [6k\]: Niv: Kami no itte would be Godly move, not godly hand ;-)
orestis [4d?\]: n13 seems bad
evanj [-\]: really oast?!
Nyanjilla [-\]: you'll know the "hand of god" when you see it
justdidit [1k\]: q14 is no use
liamsgo [11k\]: sente, but no use
Nyanjilla [-\]: "divine move" would be closer
BGAadmin [-\]: I don't actually know, kisekigo, and maproom's standing up. I'd guess half an hour, but it's only a guess
kabradarf [-\]:  why n13 bad?
niv1010 [15k\]: lol, it wos translated to the divine move and the hand of god, talk to the translator
evanj [-\]: oh, maproom is the other dude in the room
orestis [4d?\]: n13 in danger to die big with that group
evanj [-\]: now all is clear
Chrille [2k\]: n13 n12?
koticgood [4k\]: m14 such a brilliant way to connect
Chrille [2k\]: m12*
koticgood [4k\]: i was trying for so long to find a proper w move
koticgood [4k\]: this is great ...
Nyanjilla [-\]: the first translators were not very experienced in translation
niv1010 [15k\]: and godly move sound lousy
BGAadmin [-\]: the sealed move has been made
BGAadmin [-\]: we will return in ~20 minutes
Excalibor [6k\]: Nyan: nod nod
evanj [-\]: enjoy your tea
kamistar [?\]: you cant see hand of god it must be invisible!
liamsgo [11k\]: thanks BGAadmin
justdidit [1k\]: nice thx for the retransmission
evanj [-\]: don't forget to engage in a rousing round of "god save the queen" afterwards
oTeao [3k\]: .
koticgood [4k\]: this removes n12 weakness in sente, so nice
Excalibor [6k\]: okis, cheer Nick for us, he's making this a really thriving game!
Match [4k\]: earl grey ?
evanj [-\]: now we get to watch them have tea
largehc [?\]: green tea ofc
kamistar [?\]: i'll having tea too!
kamistar [?\]: white tea
evanj [-\]: congratulations
niv1010 [15k\]: actuly sai already made the divine move, at episode 66 hikaru looks at the ear reddning move at a kifu, and its the best move ver made in manys opinion
bert [2d\]: flopsie is bgaadmin?
niv1010 [15k\]: wtf is a tea break? teenagers drink tea in britain?
Jupeli [1k?\]: Everyone drinks tea in Britain
evanj [-\]: with their pinkies extended
liamsgo [11k\]: nov1010 - both these players are adults
evanj [-\]: saying things like "cheerio" and 
kamistar [?\]: thats why its called britain
evanj [-\]: ... and "chers"
Nyanjilla [-\]: mind the language, niv1010
evanj [-\]: cheers
niv1010 [15k\]: there arent any pro's from britain?
bert [2d\]: they used to drink warm water until asterix helped them
evanj [-\]: i wouldn't be able to enjoy my tea if i knew a webcam was broadcasting my image from another room
evanj [-\]: but i guess the british are used to constant surveillance
niv1010 [15k\]: there is no pro's in britian?
Nyanjilla [-\]: pro's what?
evanj [-\]: i don't believe there are any british-born pros
evanj [-\]: though i might be wrong
evanj [-\]: i'm sure there are pros residing in britain though
Uberdude [4d?\]: oh, if black m13 white will l14 
niv1010 [15k\]: what can pro do in britian?
Uberdude [4d?\]: nasty
orestis [4d?\]: yes
orestis [4d?\]: but m13 still seems only choice
evanj [-\]: they can teach
evanj [-\]: just like pros in the US
evanj [-\]: or Europe
oasthouse [-\]: Does B m9 not work?
afar [2d\]: I don't think there are any teaching pros residing in the uk
orestis [4d?\]: then b top dies
orestis [4d?\]: if b m9
Uberdude [4d?\]: there's zi wang 1p,  a chinese student in uk
oasthouse [-\]: only N14 stones if B is lucky
evanj [-\]: but oasthouse wants to use m9 to attack the big center group
Uberdude [4d?\]: he teaches online
orestis [4d?\]: b wont be lucky
niv1010 [15k\]: its sad there are pro's only in china, korea, and japan
Viheton [1d\]: and in thailand
evanj [-\]: sad and untrue
Laman [4d\]: taiwan
Match [4k\]: there are a few in USA, russia etc
Uberdude [4d?\]: and sweden
evanj [-\]: and france and germany
lalaland: romania
niv1010 [15k\]: yeah i meant there is only a leagu at asia and not all over the world
weiqidevil [-\]: who is the swedish pro?
evanj [-\]: i doubt there are any in africa
evanj [-\]: but one never knows
orestis [4d?\]: seems b has to give way with m13 l14 l15 n13 n15 m12 l13 l11 
Uberdude [4d?\]: ko juyeon
evanj [-\]: gu li might move to mogadishu
weiqidevil [-\]: but she is not swedish
Uberdude [4d?\]: a korean
Uberdude [4d?\]: indeed, not she is in sweden
leachy [3k\]: true but there are few bao and awale masters outside of africa
evanj [-\]: non-east asian-BORN pros are another matter
lalaland: africans are more  lik basketball type
evanj [-\]: this is the case leachy indeed
leachy [3k\]: ;)
evanj [-\]: are there awale masters in africa?
oasthouse [-\]: try in cloned game, orestis?
evanj [-\]: or just people who are really good at it?
evanj [-\]: not that i really know what i mean by that distinction, mind you
lyricalsea [4d\]: In other words, masters?
evanj [-\]: i mean, like, is that a thing
leachy [3k\]: well i don't know if the top players make a living out of it or not...
Zorba [5d\]: is it finished ?
evanj [-\]: of course it doesn't take much to make a living in africa, dont'cha know
evanj [-\]: no, tea break
bokego [2d?\]: maybe b can go at n13 and sacrifice the n14 tones to aim at eating m10 and push k10 and cut at j11
orestis [4d?\]: if n13 w m12 i think
bokego [2d?\]: yea then u eat the m10 stone aiming at k10
evanj [-\]: k10 doesn't do that much though
lalaland: whats happening, lunch break?
BGAadmin [-\]: tea break
evanj [-\]: please, tea, not lunch
Excalibor [6k\]: BGA, nice ponitail, btw ^^
evanj [-\]: we get to watch them all drink tea
bokego [2d?\]: m13 is what w wants b to do
Excalibor [6k\]: i love how they are taking all this so calmly and unstressedly ^^
BGAadmin [-\]: thank you, Excalibor. Frankly, it worries me looking at the webcam how like my brother's my hair is :)
BGAadmin [-\]: the game is about to resume
Excalibor [6k\]: LOL
evanj [-\]: well, you know, stiff upper lip and all that
Excalibor [6k\]: hair's okay :)
evanj [-\]: keep calm and carry on
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;B[qf]C[Excalibor [6k\]: yeah, although we are eager for them to play ^^
]
;W[na]C[Match [4k\]: oh, time move
BGAadmin [-\]: the conventional sealed move
Uberdude [4d?\]: haha nice sealed move
Uberdude [4d?\]: kitani would be proud
Excalibor [6k\]: yeah
]
;B[lk]C[oasthouse [-\]: but it's proper move
orestis [4d?\]: b reistance
orestis [4d?\]: m13
BGAadmin [-\]: it's choosing to waste a ko threat for time benefit, which is entirely acceptable, presumably
evanj [-\]: but the hwole point of making a sealed move like that is you can go home and study the game
evanj [-\]: he was just chatting and drinking tea
BGAadmin [-\]: he couldn't study
BGAadmin [-\]: he will however have been thinking
Uberdude [4d?\]: it's not wasting ko threat
BGAadmin [-\]: spending, then
evanj [-\]: it's not?
Uberdude [4d?\]: its good kikashi
evanj [-\]: it is?
oasthouse [-\]: not wasting a ko threat: if n14 are about to die then it is the correct timing to play r14
Uberdude [4d?\]: if you are going to lise o14
evanj [-\]: oh, fair enough
BGAadmin [-\]: ohh, I take your point
qQQp [-\]: a chess player would complain for having to watch b's T-shirt ;-)
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;W[mg]C[Backflash [9k\]: what's on it?
BGAadmin [-\]: given some of what Matthew sometimes wears they'd be nowhere in a Go tournament
qQQp [-\]: the colors
Nyanjilla [-\]: why would a chess player be looking at the shirt?
evanj [-\]: does it say "YOU SUCK AT CHESS"?
Uberdude [4d?\]: a chess player would complain they are playing the wrong game
]
;B[hi]C[qQQp [-\]: it may distract
BGAadmin [-\]: I don't know what the writing says, it's brightly coloured but too covered up to read
Match [4k\]: saving q11 is rather big, but can white still live in the center ?
Uberdude [4d?\]: mackenzie
oasthouse [-\]: maybe b should have played l14 atari first
Backflash [9k\]: so chess players just weaker than go players
oasthouse [-\]: to get second eye
evanj [-\]: that is hte only remaining question about this game, match
maproomad [-\]: no  A I think
Backflash [9k\]: i come only to this conclusio n
qQQp [-\]: chess players behave more like prima donnas
]
;W[ii]C[kamistar [?\]: some gametournaments have strict rules about clothing (atleast billiards maybe chess too?)
Backflash [9k\]: question about the game, w don't have a chance right?
Backflash [9k\]: oh i mean black*
Match [4k\]: nice shape
Uberdude [4d?\]: b has at least found a place to resign
evanj [-\]: correct, unless he can kill this group
oasthouse [-\]: probably not, but it's reasonable enough to try to mix it up
evanj [-\]: that h10 weakness is a pain, though
Backflash [9k\]: he cant
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;B[hh]C[evanj [-\]: don't think b can do this
evanj [-\]: push, cut, semeai, lose
Excalibor [6k\]: but sure he will try
bokego [2d?\]: hmm. b has m13 move in sente
Wiggum [3k\]: gotta try
felix24 [4k\]: l12 black resign? ..
bokego [2d?\]: the only other move is resign
oasthouse [-\]: maybe b needed m13 atari beforehand
Excalibor [6k\]: after the tea break he's full with optimism, strength and our cheering ^^
Backflash [9k\]: m13 is gote
]
;W[kh]C[oasthouse [-\]: or maybe nothing worked anyway
bokego [2d?\]: m13 now
bokego [2d?\]: w doesnt have many libs
evanj [-\]: as long as w can push and cut, b can't leave this sequence
Backflash [9k\]: he can't play m13 w would connect no?
bert [2d\]: m13 l14 
bokego [2d?\]: oh.. w can hjust l15
bokego [2d?\]: i mean l14
Winc [1k\]: m13 l14 
Winc [1k\]: white is connected
evanj [-\]: this game is now over
oasthouse [-\]: I guess that's it
evanj [-\]: congrats to macfayden
Backflash [9k\]: hold that thought
bokego [2d?\]: yea mm maybe coulda tried it earlier .instead of at the last moment
orestis [4d?\]: b has 2 cuts and only one eye
Nyanjilla [-\]: it's not over until it's over...
evanj [-\]: someone is clicking quite vociferously
evanj [-\]: yes, and it's over
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b fixes one cut by making an eye...
orestis [4d?\]: b must l14
orestis [4d?\]: yeah
Excalibor [6k\]: how much time left and how many stones, please?
orestis [4d?\]: 500 stones to play
Excalibor [6k\]: whoah xD
oasthouse [-\]: m14 was very pretty
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has 5 minutes and 4 moves left
BGAadmin [-\]: Matthew has 35 minutes of main time
Excalibor [6k\]: thank you ^^
evanj [-\]: i feel bad for him, time pressure is a crappy feeling
BGAadmin [-\]: he's used to it
Backflash [9k\]: just blitz!
BGAadmin [-\]: he loses a lot of games on time
wicket [2d\]: you can't feel sorry for someone having time trouble in a 3 hour game :)
Backflash [9k\]: make him buy alarm clock
twillo [-\]: I beat him on time at the candidates :-)
ALLMINE [1d\]: time is how a gentleman loses
oasthouse [-\]: 3 hour game is very fast
evanj [-\]: i play really slowly in tournaments too
oasthouse [-\]: 3 hour per move is about right
Uberdude [4d?\]: a day per move =)
orestis [4d?\]: thoose were the days
BGAadmin [-\]: correspondance go?
bert [2d\]: sun has allready set in england?
oasthouse [-\]: not literally
BGAadmin [-\]: it's not set, per se
orestis [4d?\]: well
maproomad [-\]: not yet'
orestis [4d?\]: in england there are clounds
kimlongVN [-\]:  M13
BGAadmin [-\]: but it's getting low
Nyanjilla [-\]: and scattered showeres
orestis [4d?\]: sometimes there is a yellow gibberish
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;B[gg]C[daft [3d\]: has B resigned or are they still playing?
evanj [-\]: ?!
Backflash [9k\]: what?!
kimlongVN [-\]: B M13 W DIWE
daft [3d\]: misclick?
evanj [-\]: :D
orestis [4d?\]: m13 l14 w fine
maproomad [-\]: they are still playing
evanj [-\]: can someone please explain this move to me
orestis [4d?\]: connect
Match [4k\]: just take the 3 stones of the noard
Backflash [9k\]: reduce he want it
Uberdude [4d?\]: black is playing 3 in a row
Backflash [9k\]: not enough
evanj [-\]: surely that is not the best way to conect
Excalibor [6k\]: b f10 both fixes h10 and reduces
orestis [4d?\]: it seems risky though
hiss [-\]: g13 to save f14 stone?
KoReNJe [3d\]: b is a toast
booknerd: will they say spain look like a big boot
KoReNJe [3d\]: why doesnt he surrender
booknerd: pretty cool
Excalibor [6k\]: hey, SE ways w+1.5 ^^
Excalibor [6k\]: booknerd: wouldn't that be Italy?
Backflash [9k\]: =\\
daft [3d\]: both players have 6 in a row already
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;W[kp]C[Backflash [9k\]: people don't learn anything these days, and i thought world is full of information
]
;B[lp]C[Viheton [1d\]: haha sneaky
orestis [4d?\]: the aji of the dead stones and h10 is annoying
]
;W[ks]C[evanj [-\]: just a snapback, no?
Viheton [1d\]: ko or ?
Backflash [9k\]: or
Vondel [2k\]: no
]
;B[lr]C[Doomkid [8k\]: b just dead
BGAadmin [-\]: *ouch*
KoReNJe [3d\]: no
afar [2d\]: It's fine
KoReNJe [3d\]: nothing here
Chrille [2k\]: b fine
evanj [-\]: i don't see the problem
Vondel [2k\]: snappback it seems
]
;W[hf]C[Viheton [1d\]: white connects
Excalibor [6k\]: mmm k3 is still dead
orestis [4d?\]: snapback yes
orestis [4d?\]: but if w gets h10 later how does b defend
Viheton [1d\]: oh yeah.. snap :D
Viheton [1d\]: no woder i am just 1 dan :D
Backflash [9k\]: n4 m3 j6 
Pingu007 [3d\]: why not w n4?
orestis [4d?\]:  w will get many sente and take lefrt big way
Backflash [9k\]: ?
evanj [-\]: n4 m3 j6 j3, backflash
Chrille [2k\]: just j3
MicMac [1d\]: white can cut j7 then
donkisot [2d\]: now o5 does not work
Backflash [9k\]: ah
KoReNJe [3d\]: h10 is a key point
Pingu007 [3d\]: ok im crazy :)
orestis [4d?\]: j7 cut is self atari
Backflash [9k\]: blind me once again
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;B[he]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: he was seeting it up so he can atari with g9
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick is onto his fourth overtime period
BGAadmin [-\]: or will be after Matthew's next move
orestis [4d?\]: funny how h10 the dead stones at bottom affect b top group
orestis [4d?\]: matthew mcaji this game
Vondel [2k\]: what was the overtime again
Vondel [2k\]: 10 in 10 minutes or so ?
Laman [4d\]: yes
BGAadmin [-\]: yep
Slayan [4k\]: they play still when?
evanj [-\]: i cannot parse that question
Vondel [2k\]: Maybe this is a silly question but I had the impression that after the top left became so big for white the game was already over for balck
evanj [-\]: vondel: it wasn't over, but it affected b's options significantly
BGAadmin [-\]: they play until the game is over; which is either when both pass in succession, one of them resigns, or one of them runs out of time
Vondel [2k\]: Is that in accordance with the analisis here ?
Vondel [2k\]: yes of course
Vondel [2k\]: I just mean that W seemd much ahead always in this game
evanj [-\]: b did get some ocmpensation on the right side for that loss
evanj [-\]: yes
evanj [-\]: that i think is fair to say
]
;W[pm]C[Vondel [2k\]: but the score is 1-1 sofar ?
evanj [-\]: yes
Slayan [4k\]: and when do they started to play
bert [2d\]: AnaLisa, hmmm...
Vondel [2k\]: thats an improvement ;)
evanj [-\]: whoever wins this game is The British Go Champion
Laman [4d\]: this is the decisive game
]
;B[ql]C[Vondel [2k\]: Always Nick and Matthew...
orestis [4d?\]: whoever wins gets a hug from da queen
BGAadmin [-\]: they started just after 10am
BGAadmin [-\]: this game did, that is
Nyanjilla [-\]: eight hours ago
BGAadmin [-\]: the first game was in, er, er, July perhaps, and the second in ... August? I've lost track
]
;W[pl]C[Laman [4d\]: no, both in July
BGAadmin [-\]: thank you :)
BGAadmin [-\]: you'd think I'd know ... life's been a bit hectic this summer
evanj [-\]: it's like a 19th-century jubango
orestis [4d?\]: double ponnuki kill would be AWESOME
evanj [-\]: not in the cards, unfortunately
BGAadmin [-\]: shouldn't be
Match [4k\]: doubt if black is gonna sacrifiice 2 ponnukis
kamistar [?\]: how much worth is double ponnuki kill?
evanj [-\]: you get a free cookie
Match [4k\]: lol
orestis [4d?\]: kills count double so its 120 :D
daft [3d\]: none of this makes any sense to me...
Rawrie [3k\]: What are the times at BGAadmin?
meuns [1d?\]: I WANNA BE A LOLCAT
evanj [-\]: me neither, daft
evanj [-\]: meuns, be quiet
orestis [4d?\]: maybe w missing out r3 just one lib
BGAadmin [-\]: that is very reassuring, daft ...
BGAadmin [-\]: rawrie - Nick has 9 minutes and 9 stones; Matthew has 28 minutes of main time
meuns [1d?\]: black is winning
BGAadmin [-\]: it is beginning to feel as if Nick's clock s going weirdly slowly
BGAadmin [-\]: it's definitely ticking
daft [3d\]: I AM IN UR BOWL EATING UR STONEZ
Viheton [1d\]: how in world b is winning?
nodan [1d\]: b is not winning
meuns [1d?\]: YOU CRAZY TOO
soulangel [4d\]: b should resign
BGAadmin [-\]: is meuns a troll I should get an admin to squash?
bert [2d\]: it should ne minutes and seconds, minutes and stones dont add, :-)
Nyanjilla [-\]: *ahem*
daft [3d\]: ... but W is not playing 'please resign' moves
brotherok [?\]: i see a huge white territory on the left hand side
bert [2d\]: ne=be
Match [4k\]: there is no resign button on the clock
evanj [-\]: no, meuns is cool
meuns [1d?\]: noooooo 0:_)
daft [3d\]: he's just making things complicated for no reason
cugel24k [5d\]: b can cut with m13
bert [2d\]: of course he can
iryumika2 [3d\]: yes
oasthouse [-\]: no cugel
afar [2d\]: M13 L14?
oasthouse [-\]: m13 l14
iryumika2 [3d\]: lol
iryumika2 [3d\]: im silly
bert [2d\]: but it is still a cut, no?
evanj [-\]: no
daft [3d\]: no
iryumika2 [3d\]: no
oasthouse [-\]: the n14 stones are dead, so it's not much of a cut
evanj [-\]: m14, n13 and l12 stones cannot be separated form each other
]
;B[rk]C[evanj [-\]: from*
bert [2d\]: ok, i won't insist
iryumika2 [3d\]: than its game over for b lol
evanj [-\]: m13 l14 then l13 and m12 are miai
evanj [-\]: and because n14 stones cannot escape capture, everything is connected
iryumika2 [3d\]: now q6 no?
bokego [2d?\]: b should go q6 instead
]
;W[me]C[Backflash [9k\]: is it resign pls moive?
evanj [-\]: this timing i do not understand particularly clearly
daft [3d\]: Q6 is not really sente though
iryumika2 [3d\]: thats an please resign move
bert [2d\]: heh, perhaps we will see double ponnuki kill afterall
bokego [2d?\]: s9 was horible
oasthouse [-\]: Nick is better than this
Backflash [9k\]: he is on clock
evanj [-\]: maybe someone put something in his tea
iryumika2 [3d\]: nick should now resign
BGAadmin [-\]: he made his own tea
Backflash [9k\]: haha
evanj [-\]: well, so much for that theory
]
;B[ll]C[robs [2k\]: got a bad start of t he day with theearly loss?
Backflash [9k\]: well then it s him to blame noone else
bokego [2d?\]: i wil try to avoid having tea with him
evanj [-\]: why not just q6?
]
;W[kl]C[Bazilikan [1d\]: its gote
evanj [-\]: living with those stones is going ot be gote no matter what
]
;B[nj]C[Backflash [9k\]: l15 now would be insult i guess
evanj [-\]: :D
Untier [9k?\]: hm
Goprince [3d\]: e8
Untier [9k?\]: w  N4    ?
evanj [-\]: untier: n4 m3 j6 j3
evanj [-\]: b is safe
Untier [9k?\]: B M3 followed by w j6
Untier [9k?\]: ah j3
bert [2d\]: p8 
Untier [9k?\]: dindt see, thanks
evanj [-\]: np, was discussed earlier :D
Untier [9k?\]: i see =)
Javaness [2d\]: it was not such a logical game
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;W[ni]C[TonyTiger [-\]: emotional games are the best
daft [3d\]: the only remaining question is if W can kill the whole H12 group
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has 4 minutes and 6 stones; Matthew has 25 minutes
evanj [-\]: 4 minutes, 6 stones, no hope
Untier [9k?\]: H12 group should have enough room on the left side
orestis [4d?\]: 4 minutes , 6 stones, 0 hope, unbezahlbar ;D
daft [3d\]: h10 g10 g9 f11 g7 is sente and then L15 and it's hard for B
]
;B[ke]C[Backflash [9k\]: not enough to win
Match [4k\]: ah, an eye
BGAadmin [-\]: and what does Francis Roads say?
BGAadmin [-\]: a group that has one eye can generally make two
MicMac [1d\]: n4?
evanj [-\]: francis roads?
BGAadmin [-\]: I always believe Francis when he tells me things like that
evanj [-\]: i played a game against him in a tournament this summer
Untier [9k?\]: hm
Backflash [9k\]: and?
orestis [4d?\]: b can live but will fail to kill s6 then
BGAadmin [-\]: Francis is ... well, he's my pair go partner, to declare an interest; he also keeps a list of Proverbs for Kyu Players, one of which is that one
Match [4k\]: q6 ?
Nyanjilla [-\]: don't play liar dice with him, then, BGAadmin
evanj [-\]: and I WON *resounding trumpets*
Untier [9k?\]: maybe im just too weak, but i dont see white winning this. 
robs [2k\]: yes
BGAadmin [-\]: Nyanjilla - you have no idea how much effort I put into not playing liar dice with him
Nyanjilla [-\]: ^_____^
BGAadmin [-\]: music, super, yes, with great pleasure; Go, absolutely. Liar dice? No.
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;W[pn]C[evanj [-\]: is someone going to explain to the assembled masses what liar dice is?
orestis [4d?\]: oh
wicket [2d\]: bgaadmin: maybe that proverb is why he's 0/23 against matthew :)
Nyanjilla [-\]: this margin is not big enough
orestis [4d?\]: i forgot  b o5 isnt sente
Backflash [9k\]: i'd like to know too even considered googling it
orestis [4d?\]: seems dead
orestis [4d?\]: double ponnuki kill :)
Backflash [9k\]: give him cookie right now!!
lyoner [3k\]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liar%27s_Dice
Nyanjilla [-\]: Wiki calls it "Liar's dice"
Goprince [3d\]: p9 lives.....
evanj [-\]: it looks complicated
Match [4k\]: well, it can live at the cost of another group
evanj [-\]: i've lost interest
Nyanjilla [-\]: um... go is more complicated
]
;B[pk]C[evanj [-\]: well maybe i've lost interest in that too
]
;W[mp]C[Untier [9k?\]: hm
Nyanjilla [-\]: oh dear
robs [2k\]: N4, thick move
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;B[no]C[Backflash [9k\]: lol?:)
Untier [9k?\]: ehrm
evanj [-\]: blurgle?
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;W[lq]C[Match [4k\]: by now black must be desperately searching for the resign button on his clock
TheDuke [2d\]: B in very big trouble
oasthouse [-\]: for what it's worth, I think b could have held onto everything there
Javaness [2d\]: gote
Untier [9k?\]: well i guess black is dead now :P
]
;B[gk]
;W[gf]C[evanj [-\]: at least his ponnukis are alive
]
;B[if]C[MiniNinja [1k\]: p9 is huge
Backflash [9k\]: take cookie back
Vondel [2k\]: are they ?
evanj [-\]: :(
Backflash [9k\]: yea
evanj [-\]: yes they are vondel
evanj [-\]: what's the fun of being british champion if you don't get your cookie
Untier [9k?\]: does w p9 kill ?
bokego [2d?\]: b ponukis stil live after w go at p9
BGAadmin [-\]: we had the cookies at the tea break
evanj [-\]: no because p8 and p6 are both sente
BGAadmin [-\]: jaffa cakes
Vondel [2k\]: its gote thogh ?
Wiggum [3k\]: p9 r10 p10 p8 
BGAadmin [-\]: all hail Nick's Mum
Vondel [2k\]: p9 for white?
Becri [7k\]: SE givs B+3.5
oasthouse [-\]: Sack SE
Wiggum [3k\]: p9 r10 p8 p10 
toadwarble [8k\]: How much time/stones?
bokego [2d?\]: yes b wil have to play o9 to make the other eye
BGAadmin [-\]: SE is clearly not in our world
Nyanjilla [-\]: the SE is known for its amusement value
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has ... under a minute for his remaining stone
Backflash [9k\]: BGA, sure, that's why it's called Sacred Estimator!
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;W[dl]C[Wiggum [3k\]: p9 doesn't work
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;B[ge]C[oasthouse [-\]: that m3 formation is kind of like a heart
oasthouse [-\]: how sweet
bokego [2d?\]: i guess b just enjoys the various problems being presented to his very survival
Javaness [2d\]: consistent play  here
iTengen [2k\]: W pic strange
Backflash [9k\]: i see a plane
BGAadmin [-\]: oasthouse - awwwww ...?
iTengen [2k\]: seems to have illegally assigned a part of Eire to britain
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;W[gd]C[Backflash [9k\]: with reversed wings
evanj [-\]: i see a bat signal
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;B[hg]C[evanj [-\]: northern ireland, dude, you're a bit late to that particular party
Match [4k\]: now the endgame starts
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;W[ek]C[Wiggum [3k\]: lol itengen
BGAadmin [-\]: my partner - 2 hours away - has just texted to ask if I'll be home for food.
Nyanjilla [-\]: oh
cugel24k [5d\]: resign
Uberdude [4d?\]: haha, SE
Backflash [9k\]: partner?
Uberdude [4d?\]: even if n1 is dead, white wins
BGAadmin [-\]: boyfriend, if you prefer
MiniNinja [1k\]: p9 looks sente for w
bokego [2d?\]: finally yose
evanj [-\]: not for long if you don't get home in time for food
Backflash [9k\]: a bit confused by choice of words that's all
Match [4k\]: maybe white should consider sacrificing n1 :-)
BGAadmin [-\]: he will forgive me, fortunately :)
bokego [2d?\]: i wonder whos ahead
oasthouse [-\]: why would he prefer your boyfriend?
iTengen [2k\]: BGAadmin keep comments about the game please
Uberdude [4d?\]: poor nick
BGAadmin [-\]: oasthouse - damn you, I nearly laughed out loud there ...
Backflash [9k\]: itengen game is over about 45 moves back
twillo [-\]: your husband also forgives you apparently
BGAadmin [-\]: at the comment *before* that ..
Excalibor [6k\]: xD
Excalibor [6k\]: poor chap, he got his SO kidnapped by some stones freaks ;-)
evanj [-\]: and now he's all alone for dinner
evanj [-\]: *sniff*
BGAadmin [-\]: Black resigns
Backflash [9k\]: yaaay!
Backflash [9k\]: thank you
evanj [-\]: all hail champion macfayden
Excalibor [6k\]: nice game
Excalibor [6k\]: let both know, please :)
au2 [1k?\]: Thanks BGA
Uberdude [4d?\]: well done everyone
QualityDr [?\]: I enjoy the slightly Dali-esque view of the game on EuroGoTV...
Excalibor [6k\]: we have really enjoyed it!
bokego [2d?\]: so this is what happens to your go when you do tomany tsumego
Match [4k\]: clapclapclap for the winner
afar [2d\]: Thanks to relayers, congratulations to Matthew, commiserations to Nick
QualityDr [?\]: Good work BGA!
cugel24k [5d\]: instead of s9 just q6 and b could cut at m13
Match [4k\]: thanks to all
Excalibor [6k\]: also thank a lot to Nick's family, they did a superb logistics and backup work!
oasthouse [-\]: Well done both players
Excalibor [6k\]: thanks to eurogotv and to BGA for her hard hard work
Excalibor [6k\]: and congrats to Matthew for his title!
Uberdude [4d?\]: cugel, m13 never worked
Uberdude [4d?\]: w just extend
bokego [2d?\]: how many years has he won it now?
Match [4k\]: a lot
Uberdude [4d?\]: 25 or so
Javaness [2d\]: 23?
BGAadmin [-\]: lots ...
bokego [2d?\]: consecutive?
Match [4k\]: there was a break
BGAadmin [-\]: http://britgo.org/bchamp/history.html
Excalibor [6k\]: will we get to see the prize giving cerimony?
Svejk [-\]: Thanks BGAadmin, hope to see you in two weeks.
Excalibor [6k\]: hehe, southern british english is so funny... i got used to Sheffield's and it's quite differemt :-P
BGAadmin [-\]: sadly we have a slight lack of prizes ... that is, I don't have the cheques. I'm not sure if Matthew brought the trophy ... I assume he did, but they've started reviewing now
BGAadmin [-\]: svejk - you'll be there? Excellent!
cloudo [2k\]: w is like 50 points ahead?
Svejk [-\]: I hope to be.
Excalibor [6k\]: yes, we see.... not tired enough? lol
niv1010 [15k\]: in what room is this game?
BGAadmin [-\]: svejk - good, I'm very pleased to hear it. See you then :)
Excalibor [6k\]: BGA: remind them that they should also check Guo Juan's review on KGS, she showed us lots of very interesting variations for both black and white
BGAadmin [-\]: the English Game Room, niv1010 - unless you mean "Nick's mum's dining room"
BGAadmin [-\]: Excalibor - Kirsty is digging it up for them
Excalibor [6k\]: ah, cool... very sensible of hers ^^
niv1010 [15k\]: and where is the game with guo joan ?
Excalibor [6k\]: in her gmes list, I guess?
bokego [2d?\]: this is nick krempels first time in the final?
BGAadmin [-\]: yes, it is
BGAadmin [-\]: or should be, anyway :)
BGAadmin [-\]: Guo Juan will also be doing a free lecture of it
niv1010 [15k\]: i can find her room
niv1010 [15k\]: *cant
BGAadmin [-\]: so watch ... er ... the appropriate spaces 
BGAadmin [-\]: her player info, niv1010
Excalibor [6k\]: well, real life is calling (like your SO) so I get to get moving, shopping and whatnot... she said she will do it by monday or tuesday, iirc
BGAadmin [-\]: fab
bokego [2d?\]: i am worried that this game has made her eyes bleed
Excalibor [6k\]: next batepisode, same batchannel ^^
Excalibor [6k\]: thanks a lot for a wonderfully full of Go Saturday ^^ see ya around :)
BGAadmin [-\]: thanks all, and goodbye!
oasthouse [-\]: Bye and thanks
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