(;GM[1]FF[4]AP[glGo:1.4]ST[1]

SZ[19]KM[6.5]
PW[DenisK]WR[5d?]PB[mathmo]BR[5d]TM[600]DT[2017-11-14]PC[IGS-PandaNet]CP[Copyright (c) PANDANET Inc. 2017]

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;B[cr]
;W[dp]
;B[do]
;W[bp]
;B[bs]C[Uberdude [ 3d \]: yay right atari
Uberdude [ 3d \]: i once did the wrong one in a blitz]
;W[ar]
;B[aq]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: lol]
;W[cp]
;B[dr]
;W[er]
;B[ds]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: white ended up achieving very little out of a super, super thick position]
;W[fm]
;B[fn]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: territory op]
;W[el]
;B[em]
;W[gl]
;B[eo]
;W[bf]C[Uberdude [ 3d \]: yeah that was probably daniel's plan from ag zero]
;B[bg]
;W[be]
;B[mk]C[Uberdude [ 3d \]: still i feel w could have done better, but hard to say where]
;W[oe]
;B[of]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: i'm just glad I finally killed a wall from an early 3-3 invasion
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: still don't really understand why it's meant to be so good...]
;W[pe]
;B[qe]
;W[ml]
;B[lk]C[Uberdude [ 3d \]: it's not good, just not bad]
;W[mp]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Hahaha. I guess I mean I don't really understand why it's even.]
;B[ll]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: I always get a crap result as the 3-3 side and vow to stop doing it.
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: it's something new and fun to play around with though]
;W[bh]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: And when you play bad people they just connect when you peep the wall lol.
Uberdude [ 3d \]: if you recall alphago likes kosumi approach
Uberdude [ 3d \]: inseong did a nice lecture on it
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Kosumi approach to what?
Uberdude [ 3d \]: everything
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Like, shoulder hitting, you mean?
Uberdude [ 3d \]: shoulder hit, armpit hit
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: ahhh
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: yeah
Uberdude [ 3d \]: many places
aitkensam [ 4d?\]: anyone counted?
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: I thought you meant like shoulder-hitting a 3-4 or something lol
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: B looks good
Uberdude [ 3d \]: so i think that local shape love might explain it a bit
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: But it could swing.]
;B[fc]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Hmm, really? That's such a general shape to be playing such a decisive move from.
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Though I guess if it's 'about even' and it really likes shoulder/armpit hits.
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Then maybe that's enough to swing it.
Uberdude [ 3d \]: yeah, it's just a small part, i tihnk the way walls that don't have eyes can be weak is more important
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Still was interesting that Zero thought the same though.
Uberdude [ 3d \]: and how strong it is at invading
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: And yeah, indeed.]
;W[cg]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: lol yes
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Zero's invading makes me not want to play for the centre anymore.
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: 'cause moyo = 0 points apparently.
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: it's kind of impressive in itself, like, even to do that to a 1d
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: But then you realise it's vs Master, lol.
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: crazy good
mumps [ 3d \]: Only if you can live like it!]
;B[qn]C[Uberdude [ 3d \]: http://www.alphago-games.com/view/eventname/agzero_vs_aglee/game/3/move/50]
;W[qo]
;B[pn]
;W[po]
;B[pl]C[Uberdude [ 3d \]: i like this living, so clear and easy
Uberdude [ 3d \]: makes AG Lee look like a noob
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: lol
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: this looks like Daniel in the lower left
Uberdude [ 3d \]: and then you go back to the Lee match and remember the crushing power of game 3
aitkensam [ 4d?\]: hehe i remember this living, was one of my fave sequences from all the games
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: mmm]
;W[sc]
;B[rd]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Subconsciously now AlphaGo Lee is the 'bad one'.
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Easy to forget how strong it actually is/was.
Uberdude [ 3d \]: yup
aitkensam [ 4d?\]: did anyone count the win loss records between zero/lee, zero/master?
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: it'll be interesting to see the pro go scene in about 10 years, when they get players who mostly learnt from bots at the top
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: I think it won 89% vs Master or something like that?
FrenchDude [ 3d?\]: hm, q15 was pretty bad
Uberdude [ 3d \]: in that game though i wonder should AG Lee have connected for 45
Uberdude [ 3d \]: you lose some side but corner alive and then moyo is thicker]
;W[fb]C[Uberdude [ 3d \]: in published 20 master won 3
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: of course he shouldn't have connected
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: there is a 3-3 invasion just sat there waiting to happen
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: obviously correct
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: ;)
Uberdude [ 3d \]: i mean mv 45
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: yep
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: I was meaning r17 for 45, haha
Uberdude [ 3d \]: ah =)]
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;B[ma]
;W[kd]
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;W[kc]
;B[jj]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: something like m6 is looking big, before white blocks it off]
;W[hi]
;B[ln]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: yay, +1]
;W[gb]C[aitkensam [ 4d?\]: next round is Germany :s]
;B[hg]
;W[if]
;B[dg]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: I'm ready to steal some 5d's rating points...]
;W[gc]
;B[hb]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: ... theoretically]
;W[ch]
;B[dh]
;W[np]C[aitkensam [ 4d?\]: so far they fielded 8 6d, 1 5d, 3 4d, so you might not get a 5d :p]
;B[ns]
;W[bi]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: 4d would still be nice
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: not sure how good the guy tonight was, I felt my first two opponents were stronger]
;B[lo]C[aitkensam [ 4d?\]: your guy said to me that he had to play on a phone
Uberdude [ 3d \]: turkey was weak team apart from denis
aitkensam [ 4d?\]: not sure if that's normal]
;W[lp]C[aitkensam [ 4d?\]: but could have affected him
Uberdude [ 3d \]: emre is decent
Uberdude [ 3d \]: i was 1-1 vs him
Uberdude [ 3d \]: and fatih is 3d but this time 1-2ds
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: My opponent was playing on a phone? Ouch.
afar [ 2d+\]: It's also quite late in Turkey
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: He didn't get into overtime though to be fair.
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: I guess that explains why he was quite slow sometimes.]
;B[jh]
;W[ih]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Is Emre the same person as Denis?
aitkensam [ 4d?\]: no
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Who's Emre?
aitkensam [ 4d?\]: a 4-5d who didnt play
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: ahhh]
;B[ji]C[aitkensam [ 4d?\]: looks like daniel has it almost wrapped up now
Uberdude [ 3d \]: denis is french (and played for them last year) but turkish dad or something
Uberdude [ 3d \]: so plays for turkey this year
Uberdude [ 3d \]: he was at BIBA
Uberdude [ 3d \]: i lost by hlaf point to him at egc
Uberdude [ 3d \]: after endgmae blunder after no lunch after 6 hours]
;W[fd]
;B[hh]C[Uberdude [ 3d \]: but i think he's got more stronger than me since then]
;W[pf]
;B[pg]
;W[nf]
;B[og]
;W[nk]
;B[nj]
;W[cl]
;B[dm]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: I wonder if the EGC will come to the UK anytime soon.
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Any idea when it was last here? Must've been before I started playing.
Uberdude [ 3d \]: 92?
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Gosh, 25 years.
kisekigo: but we organiser Dublin in 2001
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Do we not want to host it for some reason? Seems a long time to have not even been offered it.
Uberdude [ 3d \]: do you know about the ing thingy
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Ing Cup?
Uberdude [ 3d \]: daniel is organising]
;W[bm]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: hmm, no?]
;B[bn]C[mumps [ 3d \]: I don�ft think we�fve got sufficient volunteers to run it]
;W[an]C[Uberdude [ 3d \]: ing student plus super pros from changqi cu
Uberdude [ 3d \]: likely to be in Cam next summer]
;B[bo]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: oh wow]
;W[ap]
;B[as]
;W[ao]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: uh, e1?]
;B[lr]
;W[kr]
;B[ls]
;W[mq]
;B[ms]C[Uberdude [ 3d \]: ~120 students plus last 4 of chinese pro tourn]
;W[ks]
;B[op]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: that's pretty crazy
afar [ 2d+\]: Oh, cool
Uberdude [ 3d \]: i gatecrashed it in bangkok this year
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: wonder if Ke Jie will come
Uberdude [ 3d \]: he got knocked out earlier this year
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: ah, damn
Uberdude [ 3d \]: but could do next year
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Oh I see, this year's cycle is almost over? I gotcha
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Not like qualification for next year
Uberdude [ 3d \]: this year it was chen yaoye, jiang wijie, gu lingyi and tan xiao iirc
Uberdude [ 3d \]: right
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Still a pretty nice lineup.]
;W[km]
;B[lm]C[Uberdude [ 3d \]: yeah, but hard to find venues this late, but hopefully we can
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: roughly when in the year is it?
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: oh, summer
Uberdude [ 3d \]: July?
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: hmm, 8 months or so
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: 120 students, need something bigger than the Trigantius playing room]
;W[kg]
;B[kh]C[Uberdude [ 3d \]: don't think anything official announced yet, hopefully i didn't reveal secrets =)]
;W[mg]
;B[mh]
;W[mf]
;B[lh]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: I guess the Chinese will pay a good amount though.]
;W[es]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Anything for the right price, sure the colleges would do something.
Uberdude [ 3d \]: several rooms in university centre should do it
Uberdude [ 3d \]: colleges are full]
;B[ko]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: mmm]
;W[kp]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: University Centre is nice
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Sonoyama was there when I played in it.]
;B[cj]C[Uberdude [ 3d \]: at least no one college with space for all, so maybe dribs and drabs around the place]
;W[bj]
;B[dc]C[Uberdude [ 3d \]: plus some hotel]
;W[cc]
;B[jo]
;W[jp]
;B[gq]
;W[gr]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: d17 pretty stylish]
;B[ok]
;W[nl]
;B[gm]
;W[sd]
;B[se]
;W[ej]
;B[di]
;W[fi]
;B[fh]
;W[fj]C[Uberdude [ 3d \]: eh g10 better
Uberdude [ 3d \]: oh this sente too
Uberdude [ 3d \]: ok this nice trick]
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;W[fa]
;B[ha]
;W[kk]
;B[kj]
;W[sm]
;B[sl]
;W[sn]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: seems close]
;B[on]
;W[mn]
;B[mo]
;W[no]
;B[mm]C[aitkensam [ 4d?\]: nah b++]
;W[nm]
;B[jk]
;W[om]
;B[pm]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: yeah, I think he has it, maybe 4.5 or something.]
;W[fl]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: D15's pretty huge, relatively, at least.]
;B[fe]
;W[db]
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;W[fd]
;B[qa]
;W[ra]
;B[fc]
;W[qg]C[aitkensam [ 4d?\]: 12-0 is quite good start to the season :)
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: lol yes]
;B[rf]
;W[fd]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Maybe we just got a good early draw though.]
;B[rs]
;W[sr]
;B[fc]
;W[nh]C[Uberdude [ 3d \]: first 2 matches were medium i'd say
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: I haven't looked much into the other teams compared to one another other than noticing Germany and one other are much better.]
;B[oh]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Maybe Sweden it was?]
;W[fd]C[Uberdude [ 3d \]: this was easy
Uberdude [ 3d \]: apart from board 1]
;B[bl]
;W[am]
;B[fc]C[Uberdude [ 3d \]: harder to come]
;W[oi]
;B[ni]
;W[fd]C[aitkensam [ 4d?\]: germany and netherlands seem hardest
Uberdude [ 3d \]: netherlands
Uberdude [ 3d \]: austria decent too]
;B[de]C[Uberdude [ 3d \]: viktor is a good 6d]
;W[fc]C[Uberdude [ 3d \]: and lothar 5d]
;B[cq]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Not heard of Lothar but I've heard of Viktor doing well in big tournaments.]
;W[jl]C[aitkensam [ 4d?\]: lothar hasnt been playing much though]
;B[jn]
;W[jm]
;B[kn]
;W[hj]
;B[jg]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: dame lol]
;W[ij]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Almost like it's European. :)]
;B[la]
;W[nb]
;B[gj]
;W[dj]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Are we meant to fill the dame in?]
;B[hf]
;W[oc]C[SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: Can't remember what the rules say on this.
aitkensam [ 4d?\]: none of my games were scored yet :p
afar [ 2d+\]: No, it isn't necessary
SimbaRules [ 2k+\]: b9 almost, lol]
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