(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[6300]
PW[Bei Ge 5d]PB[Matthew Macfadyen 6d]WR[6d]BR[5d]DT[2007-06-17]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/ BGA Challengers League Rd 5]C[jantiff [-\]: good game
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;B[pe]
;W[dq]
;B[ee]C[keokietqua [3k?\]: well
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;W[cc]
;B[ec]C[tomi [13k?\]: :D
keokietqua [3k?\]: :D
bgachamps [-\]: There is another transmission later
trolling [-\]: what a move^
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;W[ce]C[Uberdude [1d\]: you can use autoplay
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;B[cf]
;W[bf]
;B[cg]
;W[de]
;B[ef]
;W[bg]C[bgachamps [-\]: Sam just told me he's awesome
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;B[ci]C[tianren122 [6k?\]: whats the time rules
Violence [?\]: This looks to be a pretty good match
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;W[oc]
;B[mc]C[Haloran [-\]: now is break or tunament ends
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;W[oe]
;B[pd]C[tomi [13k?\]: :)
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;W[od]
;B[pc]C[tianren122 [6k?\]: ?
bgachamps [?\]: Matthew and Bei fought out last years British Championship over best of 5
bgachamps [?\]: Time is 105m then Canadian 15 moves in 5m
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;W[pf]C[bgachamps [-\]: but while 50 up he still lost to Will
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;B[pb]
;W[ob]
;B[of]
;W[qf]
;B[re]
;W[md]
;B[lc]C[bgachamps [-\]: He said it was pretty embarassing
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;W[mf]
;B[og]
;W[ph]
;B[pg]C[Dyonn: what were the other results this morning?
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;W[qg]C[sunnychw [?\]: ok thanks
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;B[qh]C[XY0908 [-\]: whoa...
XY0908 [-\]: didn't expect this.
XY0908 [-\]: b wants to w crawl at the 2nd line, I guess...
XY0908 [-\]: make*
delux [-\]: who won last year ?
Cuda [2k\]: p12?
VincentV [3d?\]: bei ge
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;W[oh]
;B[ng]
;W[mh]C[XY0908 [-\]: S13?
weiqidevil [-\]: is this the final of the tournament?
Kamisama [3k\]: looks painfull for black 
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;B[rg]C[bgachamps [-\]: William Brooks bt T Mark Hall David Ward bt Sam Aitken
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;W[qi]
;B[rh]
;W[nh]C[weiqidevil [-\]: an answer would be nice
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;B[rf]C[Haloran [-\]: PLEASE when start next roun
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;W[mg]
;B[qe]C[katana36 [7k\]: i don't think
bgachamps [?\]: see user info .. 7 rd all play all - this is rd 5
jantiff [-\]: wow
weiqidevil [-\]: ah thank you
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;W[jd]
;B[jc]C[XY0908 [-\]: I like w better.
Cuda [2k\]: Nice center influence
jantiff [-\]: b tricked himself :(
XY0908 [-\]: yes
tomi [13k?\]: hi all
XY0908 [-\]: to both Cuda and jantiff
Komodo [1k\]: corner is huge
Cuda [2k\]: Decent, not huge
jantiff [-\]: "White's thickness is superior"
XY0908 [-\]: the corner is like two bedrrom apartment.
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;W[hd]C[genjuro [5d\]: W's sequence was very good, he got good thickness and sente while giving B 20pt in the corner
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;B[kd]C[AurelienC [1d\]: black loses the influence of e14 for 20 points
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;W[je]
;B[ke]
;W[jf]C[genjuro [5d\]: O15 becomes a problem..
jantiff [-\]: H16 too much ?
genjuro [5d\]: if B pushes once more
Uberdude [1d\]: poor sam
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;B[kf]C[kimball [6d\]: looks like an easy game for white, but i'm sure matthew will find a way to complicate it
AurelienC [1d\]: where is the problem ? if b play o15 w o14 ?
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;W[kg]C[Durza [19k?\]: hahaha, maybe just for kicks, though, right?
jantiff [-\]: so far, yes
jantiff [-\]: but M14 sente, so there really is aji
kimball [6d\]: b will play o 15 as a probe
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;B[id]C[genjuro [5d\]: B can use the aji to cross under at P19
kimball [6d\]: thats the point
jantiff [-\]: mmmh
Kamisama [3k\]: why not just B o15 right away
jantiff [-\]: ok
Kamisama [3k\]: then white is dead either way
kimball [6d\]: read again kami
Kamisama [3k\]: but killing 4 stones is no so much ?
Kamisama [3k\]: oh
Kamisama [3k\]: hheeh
Kamisama [3k\]: yes oke just o15 doesnt work -_-
AurelienC [1d\]: ^^
jantiff [-\]: you can't call it a probe, if there's only 1 answer though
Tobamf [1d?\]: mcfadden is EGF 6d?
kimball [6d\]: w is considering the implications of j 17/k18 i presume
tomi [13k?\]: keokietqua....pic..for u...hehe?
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;W[ic]
;B[ie]C[kimball [6d\]: lol
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;W[jb]C[genjuro [5d\]: I wouldn't expect anything else from Matthew ^^
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;B[kc]C[bgachamps [-\]: Des and Alex are in nth overtime where n is a large interger
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;W[he]C[Cuda [2k\]: hmmh, interesting
jantiff [-\]: since b has P19... why fight there ?
kimball [6d\]: after o 15 tenuki is possible
bgachamps [?\]: W has used 25m B has used 14m
Cuda [2k\]: tough decision for b now
genjuro [5d\]: it looks like B is going to have to use his option to connect...
genjuro [5d\]: well, first he has to play J14
jantiff [-\]: i see...
genjuro [5d\]: that's not a difficult choice
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;B[lg]C[genjuro [5d\]: ???
Cuda [2k\]: :)
keokietqua [3k?\]: O_o
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;W[if]C[jantiff [-\]: ^^
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;B[kh]C[kimball [6d\]: same spirit!
Dyonn: thanks
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;W[jg]
;B[lf]
;W[lh]
;B[ne]C[Kamisama [3k\]: i think resign soon?
jantiff [-\]: w is happy...
genjuro [5d\]: now B can resign
wayward [2k\]: err, Kageyama-sensei says "plodding along"
Durza [19k?\]: lol...
Violence [?\]: Zai jian, Ge Bei...
jantiff [-\]: E14 looking thin now
genjuro [5d\]: catching these four stones does not in any way compensate for B's loss on the outside
Gunther [5d\]: w payed alot for that huge thickness
Tobamf [1d?\]: how can black complain with this result?
wayward [2k\]: it isn't more than 35 points
genjuro [5d\]: these are the only points B are going to get, Tobamf
XY0908 [-\]: I think B is still doing alright
wayward [2k\]: can't white make that much with the wall
Cuda [2k\]: W has no supporting actors for the thickness though
filk [2k\]: white can tenuki to the other corner now?
Gunther [5d\]: he can complain when w attacks e12 and gets more thickness towards the middle
Cuda [2k\]: rest of the board completely empty
Cuda [2k\]: so a play along the bottom now
Durza [19k?\]: cuda: with most of it facing the back of white's walls
Tobamf [1d?\]: i think it would be different if black was sealed in and had about 20 pts, but this corner is massive.
Tobamf [1d?\]: I think black has a decent change
Tobamf [1d?\]: *chance
wayward [2k\]: the corner is 35ish
Kamisama [3k\]: hmm
Kamisama [3k\]: does white O16
Kamisama [3k\]: not work?
Tobamf [1d?\]: i have seen enough games where the points for each player is about 35
genjuro [5d\]: 35 points for B, W already has at least 20 and completely takes the initiative
michiel2 [3k\]: w can make seki
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;W[nd]C[Kamisama [3k\]: o16 n15 o14 m15 n18 
tomi [13k?\]: :D
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;B[me]
;W[nf]C[Durza [19k?\]: \\o/
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;B[le]C[Tobamf [1d?\]: well, for sure white will get a big middle, or other compensation
Kamisama [3k\]: ah looks like matthew thinks the same :)
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;W[mb]C[Kamisama [3k\]: woehoe 
genjuro [5d\]: hmmm
Cuda [2k\]: uhh
Violence [?\]: It's over.
Durza [19k?\]: brace for impact!!
jantiff [-\]: oops :(
neverend1 [20k\]: B is dead
genjuro [5d\]: I thought W could only push at L18 to take some endgame
Violence [?\]: no...
Violence [?\]: Like this... it's just all over
haydays [4k\]: you're telling me that you didn't read that coming?
wayward [2k\]: to quote Anonymous: "omg wtf"
Tobamf [1d?\]: don't listen to violence. better to listen to peace...
Tobamf [1d?\]: ;)
Durza [19k?\]: to quote Anonymous: "Cocks"
Nyanjilla [-\]: *ahem*
Tobamf [1d?\]: how eloquent, Durza
Durza [19k?\]: *bow*
Cuda [2k\]: can it be a ko?
Violence [?\]: I have a quote for this kind of situation
Violence [?\]: "Hands"
Gunther [5d\]: this can still be seki
Durza [19k?\]: youre telling me... that roosters are not elequent in all their splendor?
genjuro [5d\]: looks like seki
Lkhor [5k\]: yes
wayward [2k\]: o18?
Tobamf [1d?\]: Hands?
Lkhor [5k\]: seki seems possible
genjuro [5d\]: after M18
filk [2k\]: up
Violence [?\]: up
Tobamf [1d?\]: heh
erna [6k\]: I just see b dead....
Tobamf [1d?\]: I thought so
Gunther [5d\]: looks like seki with b sente
Violence [?\]: I see the seki
haydays [4k\]: no seki, one of them will die
Violence [?\]: but it's still horrible for black
Tobamf [1d?\]: if its a seki, and even if it is sente for black
Explorer [5k?\]: do i see ko?
genjuro [5d\]: yes, I think B was already losing even if he captured these W stones...
Tobamf [1d?\]: black can resign
jantiff [-\]: i though it was terrible, didn't realize it was actually horrible ^^
Durza [19k?\]: next game....
Tobamf [1d?\]: i think if black captured it would be ok
Kamisama [3k\]: yes
Kamisama [3k\]: seki
Tobamf [1d?\]: 35 pts is something to write how about
XY0908 [-\]: seki
Shikasta [4k\]: what is seki sequence after m18?
Cuda [2k\]: He sort of needs to capture
michiel2 [3k\]: can become ko too
Shikasta [4k\]: m18 o18?
Kamisama [3k\]: black should start with M18 
Komodo [1k\]: i dont see the seki
XY0908 [-\]: O19?
keokietqua [3k?\]: :)
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;B[lb]C[Komodo [1k\]: looks like b dies
Komodo [1k\]: for me
Kamisama [3k\]: he doesnt
Violence [?\]: no.
Kamisama [3k\]: but this seki is huge
Violence [?\]: Seki.
Kamisama [3k\]: white didnt lost a thing
Durza [19k?\]: O19!!! the bread of your father's dreams!!
neverend1 [20k\]: Seki..?
daladox [?\]: n 19
Violence [?\]: White doesn't want ko
Violence [?\]: he's winning
wayward [2k\]: so, what about the original Black m13? was that when the cart really went downhill for Bei Ge?
tomi [13k?\]: o18
daladox [?\]: n 19
Kamisama [3k\]: o18 is safer
Kamisama [3k\]: go for seki
jjermann [4k\]: isn't ko better for white?
Komodo [1k\]: o18 is best it hink
tomi [13k?\]: :)
Violence [?\]: no, ko is not better
Tobamf [1d?\]: seki is more than acceptable for white
Shikasta [4k\]: does o18 just give w more libs
Kamisama [3k\]: well, the ko is 1 extra move for white
Nyanjilla [-\]: what ko-threats does white have?
Kamisama [3k\]: i might work well with his thickness
jjermann [4k\]: but in a ko black has to lose more
Kamisama [3k\]: it
Violence [?\]: no...
Komodo [1k\]: o18 what is b going to do then?
wayward [2k\]: Black stands to lose less than White
jantiff [-\]: w has Q14 threat
Violence [?\]: black has less to lose
keokietqua [3k?\]: ^
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;W[nb]
;B[la]C[Tobamf [1d?\]: black will lose the game if this is a seki, so he must fight to kill
jantiff [-\]: well maybe, i don't see which ko
Kamisama [3k\]: hmm, m19
Gunther [5d\]: this way b will take sente
Violence [?\]: Whoa.
Kamisama [3k\]: i read n19
tomi [13k?\]: n19
Nyanjilla [-\]: that's one of the moves I can never see 
Gunther [5d\]: so he still has a chance
wayward [2k\]: nice
Komodo [1k\]: b dies
wayward [2k\]: j18 becomes another liberty for Black
Violence [?\]: ahh
Violence [?\]: sente seki
Violence [?\]: opk
Violence [?\]: ok
tomi [13k?\]: :D
Tobamf [1d?\]: still not good enough
Violence [?\]: of course not
Violence [?\]: don't play N19 though
keokietqua [3k?\]: oh
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;W[df]C[jantiff [-\]: what for b next ?
Kamisama [3k\]: why not just tenuki
Violence [?\]: !!!
Tobamf [1d?\]: i felt black had a minimally acceptable position assuming o18 was dead
keokietqua [3k?\]: seki
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;B[cb]C[Kamisama [3k\]: yea
jantiff [-\]: ho ho
Violence [?\]: tenuki!?
Durza [19k?\]: racoooooon!
jantiff [-\]: ^^
Kamisama [3k\]: well its not that big dont you think so Violence?
Tobamf [1d?\]: why not? 2 moves in a row now is huge!
Nyanjilla [-\]: that's tAnuki
tomi [13k?\]: d17
Gunther [5d\]: w doesnt want to squander his initiative for a mere 16 points
jantiff [-\]: genius pun
Kamisama [3k\]: Nyan ok tnx
Violence [?\]: If white kills the black group
Violence [?\]: it's alot more than just 16 points
Nyanjilla [-\]: <--- picks nits for a living
Tobamf [1d?\]: 21 pts
hype [3k\]: i don't get it, why tanuki
Gunther [5d\]: 18 max
Montchik [3k\]: :S
Kamisama [3k\]: but how does white kill black? i can only see seki for white, in gote
tomi [13k?\]: :)
Tobamf [1d?\]: ok, 18
Montchik [3k\]: tenuki is whats in game
Montchik [3k\]: tanuki is a racoon
Durza [19k?\]: :D
hype [3k\]: O.o
Kamisama [3k\]: lol :p what is it, tenuki or tanuki ? :)
michiel2 [3k\]: tanuki is a deer i thougt :/
jantiff [-\]: =p
Nyanjilla [-\]: here, it's tenuki
Montchik [3k\]: tonakai is raindeer
Kamisama [3k\]: ok
michiel2 [3k\]: lol, raindeer XD
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;W[bb]
;B[dc]
;W[bc]
;B[eg]C[Svejk [4k?\]: 14:30 BST
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;W[dg]C[tomi [13k?\]: yes
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;B[eh]C[jantiff [-\]: b better not H18, or provoke it, so no base, right ?
daladim [2k\]: p3 ?
Komodo [1k\]: k 11is great isnt it?
Ability [1d\]: J18
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;W[dh]
;B[ej]
;W[ei]
;B[fi]
;W[di]
;B[fj]C[Violence [?\]: cut
Violence [?\]: except
Violence [?\]: dont.
Violence [?\]: >_>
Violence [?\]: I can read nets... really...
eon [-\]: heh
Durza [19k?\]: internets?
DanielFox [3k\]: al gore invented the geta
Durza [19k?\]: and peanuts
jantiff [-\]: how important is L12 yet ?
erna [6k\]: D 10 perhaps?
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;W[ck]C[nickBlake [1k\]: tanuki is a raccoondog isnt it?
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;B[ki]
;W[ii]C[jantiff [-\]: ok, thanks b
Violence [?\]: jantiff, shhhh
Violence [?\]: stop feeding them moves
erna [6k\]: lol
zedi [1d\]: what is this talk about 16/18 points? isn't that seki anyway no matter who plays 1st
kimball [6d\]: b wins on move first
zedi [1d\]: 1st move where?
Ability [1d\]: duh
jantiff [-\]: say J18
kimball [6d\]: first move in the semeai on top
zedi [1d\]: j18?
Komodo [1k\]: kimball wasnt k11 huge for w before b played l11?
Medice [-\]: white seems to be dominating, eh..
Gunther [5d\]: not rly
Violence [?\]: Ahead
Gunther [5d\]: for w just taking the corner is bigger
Violence [?\]: but not.... huge
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;B[fm]
;W[ik]
;B[kk]C[jantiff [-\]: M12 weak
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;W[nk]C[bgachamps [-\]: Des and Alex still haven't finished
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;B[km]C[Violence [?\]: jantiff! what have I been telling you!
jantiff [-\]: lol
kimball [6d\]: l 11 would have been correct if w chose to take the cuttingstone, but b 9 is far bigger
zedi [1d\]: i cant see how that could be not seki :)
Ability [1d\]: then dont see it without telling us
Durza [19k?\]: lol?
kimball [6d\]: play it out but don't forget to connect j 18 as white
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;W[im]C[Cuda [2k\]: yeah, j18 is needed ^^
insogo [6k\]: WHO HAS WONß
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;B[nn]
;W[ll]
;B[kl]
;W[gk]
;B[dl]C[Ishisit [-\]: posibly the comment would become better if it were in german
Javaness [1d\]: these two always play such peaceful Go
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;W[kj]C[jantiff [-\]: uo
Gunther [5d\]: w always attacking but not always gaining
Violence [?\]: oho
jantiff [-\]: end of b counterattack ? :(
Violence [?\]: this move me likey
zedi [1d\]: right, i was trying to search for some tesuji by B playing j18 :)
Gunther [5d\]: b can easily trade those 2 cutting stones for sente
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;B[cl]C[Durza [19k?\]: like so?   :D
Javaness [1d\]: L10 mistake
Uberdude [1d\]: c5 now?
Javaness [1d\]: is Bei Ge really Black?
BETEPAH [2d\]: l10 is not a misatke, but may seem slow
bgachamps [?\]: Photo at http://www.britgo.org/news/IMGP0935-30-Matthew-Bei-a.JPG
Javaness [1d\]: I notice he started with macfadyen's opening
jantiff [-\]: teasing him maybe
Uberdude [1d\]: yean, o6 looks like macfadyen move :p
bgachamps [?\]: well spotted observers
KuudeeKun [3k\]: haha
Durza [19k?\]: que?
Uberdude [1d\]: oh, macfadyen is b!
insogo [6k\]: who has won?
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;W[dk]C[Javaness [1d\]: so Macfadyen is black
]
;B[dj]C[DanielFox [3k\]: bga has a messy desktop
jantiff [-\]: ok...
Lebertran [1d\]: lol
Nyanjilla [-\]: the SGF file was set up wrong?
Javaness [1d\]: yes
Nyanjilla [-\]: hey-ho
]
;W[ek]C[bgachamps [-\]: Bei by 3.5 points
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;B[fk]C[Uberdude [1d\]: the computer is a dell
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;W[el]C[tomi [13k?\]: :)
insogo [6k\]: thx
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;B[em]
;W[fl]C[Durza [19k?\]: bga lives on a throne of lies!
jantiff [-\]: that is, w
]
;B[gl]C[Medice [-\]: hmm..
jantiff [-\]: what is w doing ??
Javaness [1d\]: what is white doing?
michiel2 [3k\]: huge misread?
Lebertran [1d\]: :O
Violence [?\]: whooooa
Ishisit [-\]: copying bad sequences from lee se-dol i suppose ian
Uberdude [1d\]: so after macfadyen lost to des cann he returned to his crazy openings =)
jantiff [-\]: what's wrong with yi se tol ?
Javaness [1d\]: good place to resign I guess
Ishisit [-\]: nothing except for the fact that none should try to copy him
keokietqua [3k?\]: really
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;W[bk]C[jantiff [-\]: mmmh that's for sure
Javaness [1d\]: I suppose he has A12
rayen [1d\]: b11 g7  miai I think to live
Javaness [1d\]: G7 is just a squeze
Javaness [1d\]: or did i miss something?
rayen [1d\]: hmm
rayen [1d\]: might work when g7 h8 h9 h7 g6 
bgachamps [?\]: W has used 40m   B hased 30m
rayen [1d\]: and then b can cut d7 
DanielFox [3k\]: white must drop pen and play two moves as opponent picks it up
zedi [1d\]: b8 and w dies?
rayen [1d\]: b8 a10 ?
BETEPAH [2d\]: b8 w not dies
tomi [13k?\]: w live
Ishisit [-\]: black cutting at d7 would be a godly move indeed
Javaness [1d\]: Bei Ge has already qualified for the final anyway i guess
jantiff [-\]: ok, ok
rayen [1d\]: what about Matthew ?
zedi [1d\]: right monkey connection :)
Medice [-\]: black must also ensure to connect and make life to the group above..
Javaness [1d\]: remember Ishisit Black is white in this game
jantiff [-\]: this is big trouble... ^^;;
Ishisit [-\]: bloody reds with their idiome renewal
rayen [1d\]: I dont see how b can kill w
kimball [6d\]: if you try it is b8
Gunther [5d\]: b in trouble
michiel2 [3k\]: b8 doesn't work does it?
michiel2 [3k\]: b8 - a10
Javaness [1d\]: B8 B11 B10 kills
kimball [6d\]: then?
Javaness [1d\]: B8 A12...
Gunther [5d\]: w played a strong attack
Medice [-\]: java, a10, a10
michiel2 [3k\]: a10
rayen [1d\]: hmm 
michiel2 [3k\]: sorry
jantiff [-\]: A12 best imho
Javaness [1d\]: ah a10 looks ok
michiel2 [3k\]: ow, lol i said a10 XD
Javaness [1d\]: still A8 liberty that way
Medice [-\]: hmm?
Violence [?\]: b10 for black?
rayen [1d\]: b10 g7 
Medice [-\]: b10, b8.. d7 cut ..
Ishisit [-\]: what color of jersey is matthew wearing today, he is always such a colorful player
Gunther [5d\]: i feel sry for black he has to try to live in such a tiresome spot
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;B[gm]C[Violence [?\]: ah, ok
rayen [1d\]: oO
Durza [19k?\]: builds character
Javaness [1d\]: G7 seems strange
Medice [-\]: only move he could try..
DanielFox [3k\]: hes wearing a blue shirt
Medice [-\]: but i cant see anything for black after this
jantiff [-\]: maybe b will have to H18 ^^
Ishisit [-\]: ah he got the blues for being runner-up instead of defending champion
rayen [1d\]: h18 helps w kill b
Ability [1d\]: on
rayen [1d\]: l17  is now seki
rayen [1d\]: if w move first
jantiff [-\]: that's the point ^^
rayen [1d\]: if j18  is connected then m17 dead
Ability [1d\]: I have plan
Medice [-\]: that is of no importance
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;W[bi]C[Medice [-\]: black's status on top left is now in question
tomi [13k?\]: :)
Gunther [5d\]: no
jantiff [-\]: status is life in gote with plenty of w advantages ?
Javaness [1d\]: when is somebody going to play Q3
Gunther [5d\]: if j18 is connected then b can still tenuki and its seki
rayen [1d\]: nvm still seki
]
;B[hh]C[Gunther [5d\]: b just doesnt want to do it because he would rather kill w
Ishisit [-\]: that corner is kept free for kgs-chat-delinquents  javaness
rayen [1d\]: g10 ?
jantiff [-\]: right
Javaness [1d\]: is H12 sente?
keokietqua [3k?\]: well
]
;W[gj]
;B[jj]
;W[lj]C[rayen [1d\]: j12 
jantiff [-\]: it was
Medice [-\]: k9, k11, h10..
Medice [-\]: nah
tomi [13k?\]: :D
Violence [?\]: j12 k12 k11 k9 j10 h11 h10 g11 h9 g12 black has problems?
tomi [13k?\]: :)
tomi [13k?\]: >_<
Ishisit [-\]: nope i have problem imagining such a deep reading
kimball [6d\]: top is not so easy after j 18 connected gunther, w will start q 19 , think it is ko then
tomi [13k?\]: :D
Gunther [5d\]: violence in your sequence w just gets his butt kicked for no reason
Gunther [5d\]: who is going to play that out
Violence [?\]: Then the top group will die
Violence [?\]: won't it?
Gunther [5d\]: you have w in a ladder and dieing
Violence [?\]: oh, right.
Violence [?\]: I can read
tomi [13k?\]: ^_^
Violence [?\]: really.
filk [2k\]: just not today? ;)
bgachamps [?\]: Both players have now used just over 40m
Violence [?\]: *slips in a white stone at C10 silently to make his sequence work*
Violence [?\]: there, now my reading is flawless. :D
Gunther [5d\]: more importantly if j12 w can just k11, not k12
Medice [-\]: with c10, this would be quite simple :P
Violence [?\]: Yeah
tomi [13k?\]: :D
Violence [?\]: but I thought k12 would've been better
Violence [?\]: now you know
Violence [?\]: I'm psychotic.
Ishisit [-\]: contagious?
Violence [?\]: clearly.
Ishisit [-\]: ok, i will build a frsh firewall then
Violence [?\]: *infects the little kyus with his funky reading*
Uberdude [1d\]: is the conclusion that d9 etc for white was bad?
filk [2k\]: there has been any conclusion?
bgachamps [?\]: First Result - Will Brooks bt T Mark Hall
Violence [?\]: amariagatachi, I think
jantiff [-\]: conclusion, b in trouble
Javaness [1d\]: go Will
TimHunt [1d?\]: Can I check my reading, at the top, if black plays first, white is captured, and if white plays first it is jigo
filk [2k\]: you mean seki
Lebertran [1d\]: you mean seki
Lebertran [1d\]: lol
tomi [13k?\]: lol
TimHunt [1d?\]: Yes, sorry, seki
jantiff [-\]: correct
Uberdude [1d\]: will decided to wake up
Uberdude [1d\]: finally winning some games
Violence [?\]: Who has 0 losses so far?
Uberdude [1d\]: bei
filk [2k\]: (white)
filk [2k\]: so black needs to add another move at the top to live, right?
elMonk [3d\]: bit late to start winning
filk [2k\]: (I mean upper left)
Uberdude [1d\]: macfadyen not doing so well, he lost 2
TimHunt [1d?\]: Both losses by 0.5!
Uberdude [1d\]: league seems quite open
Metho [1d\]: both by 0,5?
jantiff [-\]: yes, b not settled
Ishisit [-\]: therefor the blue jersey
snowmen [3d\]: black has been neatly killed off
elMonk [3d\]: how is the result decided if same no. of wins?
Ishisit [-\]: read britgo.org for regulations
elMonk [3d\]: no - too many words there
DanielFox [3k\]: britgo.org looks like it hasn't changed format since netscape 2.0
Ishisit [-\]: ok shall we spam it here then?
elMonk [3d\]: yeah please ^^
elMonk [3d\]: just once is fine too
Ishisit [-\]: but jyem will boot me for flooding, i am sur about that
Gunther [5d\]: they draw straws, the winner plays in the championship and the loser quits go forever
Javaness [1d\]: Everyone should enter the BGA sunjang baduk tournament http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/~ecb/kgs_sunjang/index.cgi
Ishisit [-\]: oh, they stopped chopping heads of?
elMonk [3d\]: see even admins are spamming
Javaness [1d\]: no Ishisit is right, Madame is still used
Uberdude [1d\]: hmm, i want to play in the sunjang tournament, but i'm in china...
elMonk [3d\]: a play-off sounds exciting
elMonk [3d\]: I'm in austria
Uberdude [1d\]: we get internet easy there elmonk?
elMonk [3d\]: or at least on my way
Dita [1k\]: black realy in trouble
elMonk [3d\]: yeah - lots of internet
]
;B[ih]C[elMonk [3d\]: so the pros can play warcraft
Uberdude [1d\]: hehe
Uberdude [1d\]: anyone still play starcraft?
Javaness [1d\]: I thought just insei played warcraft
bgachamps [?\]: yes that move took 10m
elMonk [3d\]: not that I saw
]
;W[ji]
;B[jh]
;W[jk]C[filk [2k\]: javaness: I don't have to be british?
]
;B[gc]C[Sonius [3k\]: warcraft? o.0
Javaness [1d\]: no you can be from any country
Maliniak2 [1d\]: B aliwe or not?
Dita [1k\]: nah
Dita [1k\]: I dont think so
Javaness [1d\]: H18
filk [2k\]: Cheating is not allowed. - oh good that they wrote this to the rules!
]
;W[hb]
;B[gb]C[Cuda [2k\]: Touching the electric fence gives an electric shock
trumpet [3k\]: b has g10?
trumpet [3k\]: sry h10
]
;W[ma]
;B[oa]
;W[ka]
;B[pa]C[daladim [2k\]: h10 h9 ?
Maliniak2 [1d\]: first seki'
Maliniak2 [1d\]: and life
elMonk [3d\]: h10 doesn't work
trumpet [3k\]: i see
Gunther [5d\]: this w is not yet alive
trumpet [3k\]: h9 is the answer
Gunther [5d\]: after j19 h19 h17 
]
;W[gf]C[daladim [2k\]: w + res i guess
Cuda [2k\]: Don't guess
daladim [2k\]: b o19 
Gunther [5d\]: whyyyyyyy
Medice [-\]: b h17
tomi [13k?\]: ^_^
Cuda [2k\]: h17 isn't needed, it's not an eye anyway
daladim [2k\]: o19 L18 j19 h19 j18 k19 j18 j19 h17
daladim [2k\]: w only one eye then
Gunther [5d\]: is there a reason or aji keshi is fun?
Violence [?\]: daladim
Sonius [3k\]: just fun
daladim [2k\]: yea ?
Violence [?\]: ishi no shita
Violence [?\]: XD
daladim [2k\]: that s to say ? 
KuudeeKun [3k\]: well white first to l18 and then j19?
daladim [2k\]: ^^
Violence [?\]: See after your K19
Violence [?\]: you have a J18
daladim [2k\]: yea
Violence [?\]: does that remind you of any tesuji?
daladim [2k\]: euh no
Violence [?\]: oh.
elMonk [3d\]: hehe
Violence [?\]: k19 j18 h17 j19 k18 
elMonk [3d\]: thats cool
Gunther [5d\]: actually you have a good reason so i withdraw my comment
Violence [?\]: It destroys the seki though
]
;B[gg]C[elMonk [3d\]: still sacrifices O18  though
]
;W[fd]C[daladim [2k\]: i still prefer my seq violence
]
;B[gd]C[KuudeeKun [3k\]: l18 o19 h17 ?
Violence [?\]: from here...
elMonk [3d\]: O19 could have been tenukied to kill the left (if that works)
Violence [?\]: f15 f14 g15 g12 ?
Uberdude [1d\]: k10 is a false eye, kill the w wall!
]
;W[fe]
;B[ff]
;W[ge]
;B[ed]C[filk [2k\]: lol
Gunther [5d\]: w is going to have to accept mutual life
Gunther [5d\]: cuz theres no way he has more libs i'd say
Maliniak2 [1d\]: F12 :)
Medice [-\]: l18 then
bgachamps [?\]: "they said Go was a fun game"
]
;W[kb]
;B[na]C[tomi [13k?\]: :)
dangodan [2d\]: j19 d19 k7 over
Medice [-\]: you are forgetting something
bgachamps [?\]: both have now used 55m
Ishisit [-\]: g11
trumpet [3k\]: is this final of british championsship?
Uberdude [1d\]: no
]
;W[ha]C[Uberdude [1d\]: league to decide final
]
;B[gi]C[trumpet [3k\]: ok
trumpet [3k\]: thx
Sonius [3k\]: what will white do?
trumpet [3k\]: i didnt know they are doing a japanese style league. "British honinbo" ;)
Sonius [3k\]: f12 or j19?
TimHunt [1k?\]: White can attacke D8 now
Medice [-\]: what do you want to play j19 for
Uberdude [1d\]: c5 
hakky [-\]: j-19 ?? lool
Medice [-\]: nor f12 for that matter
Sonius [3k\]: h17
jjermann [4k\]: what if w had played G11 much earlier?
trumpet [3k\]: actual champion must join the league or is he set for the final?
Sonius [3k\]: :P
Medice [-\]: h17, j16.
Uberdude [1d\]: the former
trumpet [3k\]: thx
Uberdude [1d\]: this w is champ
jjermann [4k\]: I mean before the whole fight on top
Sonius [3k\]: huh h17,j16?
hakky [-\]: yes
jjermann [4k\]: then black would certainly have responded or not?
dangodan [2d\]: k7 
hakky [-\]: after b plays h-17 j-16 could make it fake
Ishisit [-\]: nope bei ge represented Uk in wagc
Sonius [3k\]: i was thinking of white playign there
Sonius [3k\]: but after reading for a sec
Sonius [3k\]: i feel ddk ^^"
]
;W[io]C[erna [6k\]: C5 with the threat of cutting?!
erna [6k\]: ooh, sorry
Uberdude [1d\]: Ishisit, w is beige
hakky [-\]: ??
Uberdude [1d\]: names wrong way round
filk [2k\]: SE panics
Ishisit [-\]: tss , how about that
Sonius [3k\]: lol se
Komodo [1k\]: ist b dead?
Ability [1d\]: w is obviously the rightful champin
Djaian [5k\]: lol SE
trumpet [3k\]: b alive and playing ;)
Medice [-\]: f12, d19 miai
bgachamps [?\]: "we'll get to that corner eventually"
trumpet [3k\]: first to play in LR wins the game
Ishisit [-\]: nick is that you bgachamps?
Uberdude [1d\]: i wonder if b can wedge in here
]
;B[bl]
;W[cj]C[Medice [-\]: noh, he cant
Uberdude [1d\]: if so w j6 would have been corect move, if funny looking
Violence [?\]: wow...
Violence [?\]: E18 is a nice yose
jantiff [-\]: such profit for w
jantiff [-\]: and b still in trouble, 2 places
Dita [1k\]: complicated game
Medice [-\]: just simple d18 is better than e18
]
;B[cp]C[Medice [-\]: locally
elMonk [3d\]: e18 better than d18?
sunnychw [?\]: j6m k7, k6 and b will loose either three or two stones
Uberdude [1d\]: these 2 always have fun games
Violence [?\]: Yeah, e18 is better than d18
Medice [-\]: violence, black plays d18 and white hasn't profited much at all
dangodan [2d\]: f17 f18 d18 f12 best yose
trumpet [3k\]: f18 then threatens life
Violence [?\]: I think e18 is better
Violence [?\]: it's even sente
elMonk [3d\]: bothe18 and d18 are sente and both end with no points on top for b
jantiff [-\]: C4 a bit odd, no ?
Medice [-\]: dando, instead of f12, e18 still threatens to capture
]
;W[dp]C[Violence [?\]: Oh, d18's sente too, and better for top corner
elMonk [3d\]: yep
Dyonn: "names are wrong way round" really?
dangodan [2d\]: forgot w c19
elMonk [3d\]: yes bei ge is white
nbnf05 [1k\]: and how can black live after f12 ?
Lebertran [1d\]: look at this http://www.britgo.org/news/IMGP0935-30-Matthew-Bei-a.JPG
Uberdude [1d\]: no, i was just lying for fun
Medice [-\]: even if c19, black d18 works since h17 is liberty
Gunther [5d\]: we got one-upped by the broadcaster
]
;B[co]C[trumpet [3k\]: w will get huge lower side eventually
]
;W[cq]C[Violence [?\]: Someone call Mario because we just got one-upped.
dangodan [2d\]: haa colours are wrong
keokietqua [3k?\]: bb all
]
;B[bq]
;W[br]C[filk [2k\]: uberdude: there are kibitzers who do that, so.. :)
Gunther [5d\]: dont do it b
Medice [-\]: hey, they can cheat and look at the kibitz, not fair..
keokietqua [3k?\]: thank for the game
]
;B[gp]C[nbnf05 [1k\]: if I was white I would say "ouch" here
trumpet [3k\]: its live game i thought? So hardly difficult to look at kibitz ;)
nbnf05 [1k\]: dont know why....
filk [2k\]: medice: not fair to whom? :)
Violence [?\]: They were following jantiff's advice here
]
;W[bp]C[tomi [13k?\]: bb
]
;B[bo]
;W[aq]C[Uberdude [1d\]: hehe i was wondering about c3 at g4
Uberdude [1d\]: and going for lower side
bgachamps [?\]: except the recorder is sat in front of the screen - and sticks another window on top of the chat when away
Dita [1k\]: L4
filk [2k\]: bgachamps: :(
]
;B[hq]
;W[jp]C[Dita [1k\]: :(
]
;B[jr]C[BETEPAH [2d\]: q4 
Medice [-\]: oh, it was blocked indeed :)
]
;W[lk]C[fumero [3d\]: san san:)
filk [2k\]: is q4 a reasonable way to occupy the corner now?
genjuro [4d\]: M9 looks slow
Gunther [5d\]: uh oh
filk [2k\]: 3-4 or maybe even 3-3 look more sensible
genjuro [4d\]: those three B stones are not worth much
Lebertran [1d\]: white goes for a 0,5 win :)
nbnf05 [1k\]: he wont save those stones I think
trumpet [3k\]: cappy would save them and go for all ;)
nbnf05 [1k\]: ^^
Sonius [3k\]: o17
Uberdude [1d\]: seems w falling behind last few moves
filk [2k\]: sonius? :))
Uberdude [1d\]: b2 at g4 
michiel2 [3k\]: o17 lol
Medice [-\]: sonius, about that ddk..
Ability [1d\]: bei ge is my aunt
filk [2k\]: and o17 by whom? :)
Violence [?\]: not... exactly behind... but I think he's losing his lead.
Uberdude [1d\]: and if b b2, then L5 or so
Uberdude [1d\]: that's what i mean
]
;B[qo]C[nbnf05 [1k\]: ho
bgachamps [?\]: "almost played in the poisoned corner"
nbnf05 [1k\]: I would say p3... but ok xD
filk [2k\]: now taisha!!!!
nbnf05 [1k\]: other side is probably better :)
Violence [?\]: it's not a taisha
Medice [-\]: r3?
Violence [?\]: with O6
bgachamps [?\]: Both have used just over the hour - 40+m remaining
filk [2k\]: I know :(
Uberdude [1d\]: i guess b will make a fair few points down here
]
;W[pq]C[filk [2k\]: but they can at least try ;)
filk [2k\]: o6 is a bit weird positioned now
Violence [?\]: O3?
filk [2k\]: o3?
]
;B[nq]C[Violence [?\]: w00t
filk [2k\]: w00t
Violence [?\]: filk, stop copying me
Ability [1d\]: after w got the sek isente
Violence [?\]: jeez
Violence [?\]: XD
Dita [1k\]: :)
]
;W[nr]C[filk [2k\]: ability!! what's up with you? :)
Ability [1d\]: the game became lopsided
Dita [1k\]: count
Violence [?\]: white still feels up on raw points
Ability [1d\]: dont call me acunt
]
;B[or]
;W[oq]
;B[pr]C[Dita [1k\]: I count B 35 and W 39 or so
Dita [1k\]: no komi stuff
Kamisama [3k\]: huh
Uberdude [1d\]: hmm, w might n2?
Ability [1d\]: komi is 10points
Dita [1k\]: so + komi w leads
Uberdude [1d\]: and then b r3
Kamisama [3k\]: the game became pretty close since i left (b18)
Momentum [12k\]: this is a live match?
Ability [1d\]: no
Ability [1d\]: this is a rerun
elMonk [3d\]: how you counting the O6 area?
elMonk [3d\]: I wouldn't know where to start
Momentum [12k\]: oh, ok, thanks
Dita [1k\]: I dont count that as of yet
Dita [1k\]: if you know the status of the rest of board
trumpet [3k\]: count the rest and see what do you need from o6
Dita [1k\]: then you know what to get to win in O6 area
Ability [1d\]: n2 
Dita [1k\]: yes
filk [2k\]: momentum: but we're pretending it's live
]
;W[np]C[keokietqua [3k?\]: o_o
]
;B[mq]C[Momentum [12k\]: ok ^^"
YogSothoth [2k\]: why w didn't n2?
Violence [?\]: white doesn't want to give up corner
philiph [3d\]: we dont care about your opinion, give us a variation
genjuro [4d\]: the situation is not good for W
]
;W[mr]C[elMonk [3d\]: R5 such an annoying move
elMonk [3d\]: makes everything so hard to read
Dita [1k\]: M2 now?
jantiff [-\]: doesn't look too good for b...
jantiff [-\]: this pos
Ishisit [-\]: darn ladders, they are worse than black cats
jantiff [-\]: i don't know about b next
trumpet [3k\]: m2 n4 puts b o6 stones in danger maybe
Ability [1d\]: too late for b torealise it
Gunther [5d\]: at worst b just takes the corner
Dita [1k\]: ah did not read N4
Gunther [5d\]: and sente ya
Dita [1k\]: good move trumpet
Ability [1d\]: he had already walked into the trap a long time ago this b
Gunther [5d\]: r3 m3 q4 p4 p5 n4 or such
trumpet [3k\]: n4 seems good for b now?
genjuro [4d\]: N4, then R2
Gunther [5d\]: no
Violence [?\]: m2 for black, thrn...
Violence [?\]: then^
genjuro [4d\]: I think B should play P4
Dita [1k\]: but R3 here for black makes most sence
Violence [?\]: m2 n4 m3 r2 n1 q1 o1 r4?
jantiff [-\]: oh, why P4 ?
RainGo [2d\]: r3?
tomi [13k?\]: :)
Jigo [2k\]: w can catch N3 in a ladder
Ishisit [-\]: there are a lot of hooks and eyes to this sequence a dutch commentator would say
Violence [?\]: I think
TimHunt [1k?\]: R3 is only good if it gives black enough territory to be ahead on the whole board. 
Violence [?\]: R3 is best for black
Ishisit [-\]: oh you do
genjuro [4d\]: maybe it's not good -- I thought it helps by breaking the ladder
TimHunt [1k?\]: (My counting is not good enoug to tell)
genjuro [4d\]: M2 is the straightforward(!) move
Violence [?\]: p4 r2 r3 q4 s2 r4 r1 p5 s4 m3?
Hikaruwaya [4k?\]: how much time is remaining?
dangodan [2d\]: m2 m3 n4 n5 m4 m5 l3 l4 m3 r2 
Gunther [5d\]: more likely just p4 q4 
Hikaruwaya [4k?\]: yeah.. thx
Gunther [5d\]: and the situation doesnt change much
genjuro [4d\]: well, that's something like what I imagined, Violence -- but I think now that after P4 W will R3, and that's not very good for B
Ishisit [-\]: ah korigatachi
genjuro [4d\]: so just play M2
Violence [?\]: Ah, I see
Violence [?\]: I agree
tomi [13k?\]: :)
michiel2 [3k\]:  how much time do they have left?
bgachamps [?\]: B has 28m remaining, W has 38m left
Maliniak2 [1d\]: R2 was the best!
]
;B[lr]C[tomi [13k?\]: :
michiel2 [3k\]: thanks
dangodan [2d\]: m3 now
tomi [13k?\]: :)
Gunther [5d\]: w can also try to capture the r5 stone
workforce [1d\]: more likely n4 + r2 now i think
lololol [1d\]: undo x10
]
;W[lq]
;B[mp]C[tomi [13k?\]: m3n3n5
]
;W[mo]C[tomi [13k?\]: m4
Gunther [5d\]: omg time is reversing
]
;B[lp]
;W[lo]C[keokietqua [3k?\]: u..m
]
;B[kq]
;W[kp]
;B[lq]C[philiph [3d\]: r2
Kamisama [3k\]: r2?
Violence [?\]: yeah.
philiph [3d\]: sureee
AurelienC [1d\]: sur
Kamisama [3k\]: r2 p4?
Violence [?\]: R2 is good move.
Dita [1k\]: hmm
tomi [13k?\]: :)
Dita [1k\]: I would O5
philiph [3d\]: p4 q1?
Violence [?\]: r2 p4 q1 
tomi [13k?\]: no
tomi [13k?\]: o1
tomi [13k?\]: or r9
Medice [-\]: just r3 might work
nbnf05 [1k\]: r3 ?
Violence [?\]: I like R2 much better
AurelienC [1d\]: work to die ?
tomi [13k?\]: :D
Kamisama [3k\]: i think r2 is bad
Kamisama [3k\]: but thats just my humble opinion
philiph [3d\]: well
AurelienC [1d\]: ^^
TeeSushi [1d\]: ???
workforce [1d\]: super time tesuji
Violence [?\]: Did the recorder fall asleep on the left arrow button?
Dita [1k\]: a glitch in the time line :)
TwistedOne [2d\]: Bei Ge is a nice guy :)
genjuro [4d\]: playing O5 R3 is also horrible, so I think I would go for R2
Dita [1k\]: or something changed in the matrix
Dita [1k\]: you chose
TwistedOne [2d\]: went out to eat Shabu Shabu with him...
]
;W[no]
;B[qq]C[philiph [3d\]: ouch
dangodan [2d\]: it was just a replay for the spectators :)
]
;W[po]C[philiph [3d\]: this is horrible
AurelienC [1d\]: ^^
jantiff [-\]: w went for the horrible
genjuro [4d\]: I think M3 cut was a mistake
philiph [3d\]: r6
Dita [1k\]: yay I got the move right ^^
genjuro [4d\]: W should have played something like Q5 first to probe B
Gunther [5d\]: r4 more likely
jantiff [-\]: yes, don't forget w has R2
Gunther [5d\]: if r6 then w can play r2
trumpet [3k\]: r4 and ko
philiph [3d\]: didnt pay attention to that hehe
trumpet [3k\]: r6 r4 i mean
tomi [13k?\]: r6
tomi [13k?\]: :)
Kamisama [3k\]: if white can hane at r6, the result is not so bad for white?
philiph [3d\]: it is
Jefia [3k\]: no
genjuro [4d\]: it is bad
philiph [3d\]: it's double open skirt
Kamisama [3k\]: and if black r4, white q6 one time
tomi [13k?\]: s7?
RabidKyu [6k\]: Why hasn't W rersigned?
Kamisama [3k\]: is it not enough?
Violence [?\]: Situation still equal
TwistedOne [2d\]: why should he resign?
haydays [4k\]: white isnt losing
genjuro [4d\]: W is still leading
Dita [1k\]: my money is on white
dangodan [2d\]: seems sure win for w bad or not bad
RabidKyu [6k\]: I count B+ more then 25
]
;B[qp]C[genjuro [4d\]: but he wasted almost all of his huge lead
tomi [13k?\]: :D
philiph [3d\]: :D
]
;W[pm]C[jantiff [-\]: ^^
philiph [3d\]: r9?
ESCRT [2d\]: w+ ~20?
genjuro [4d\]: game is even now
tomi [13k?\]: >_<
tomi [13k?\]: s9
Gunther [5d\]: i think w is still better
]
;B[pn]
;W[on]
;B[qn]C[Dita [1k\]: yup
RabidKyu [6k\]: Ah sort missed that P16 is in seki.
Ishisit [-\]: yes white hold d18 sente to make some more points
genjuro [4d\]: W maybe up by komi or so
Uberdude [1d\]: q7 was bas?
Uberdude [1d\]: q6 seemed better
Jefia [3k\]: gj rabidkyu
Uberdude [1d\]: b making so many points
]
;W[ql]C[Violence [?\]: Wow
RainGo [2d\]: more an exchange to me
Violence [?\]: I speculated R8
elMonk [3d\]: w still +10 at least I think
Violence [?\]: and there it is
jantiff [-\]: w not bad
philiph [3d\]: i didnt like q6
RainGo [2d\]: should just tenuki to me
RainGo [2d\]: r10 ect
Uberdude [1d\]: f2 or whatever big now
Violence [?\]: D18 is big too
Ishisit [-\]: whatever can't be big it should be gote
]
;B[il]C[Violence [?\]: D18 is sente
philiph [3d\]: if black takes d19, white gets g2
tomi [13k?\]: j8?
Gunther [5d\]: wattttttttt
tomi [13k?\]: >_<
Violence [?\]: If white doesn't respond to black taking C18, black will F12
]
;W[hl]
;B[in]C[Violence [?\]: black
Violence [?\]: doesn't know his tesuji
Violence [?\]: that well?
Violence [?\]: K6
Dita [1k\]: I think w has solid lead
tomi [13k?\]: :)
Kamisama [3k\]: thats why i think R2 was bad
Kamisama [3k\]: as black got the option to destroy white territory in the center alot
Cuda [2k\]: R2 hasnät been played
Kamisama [3k\]: i think it was more then when white got some points on the 2nd line or somewhere along there
Maliniak2 [1d\]: R2 D2 too?:D
]
;W[jn]
;B[hn]C[Kamisama [3k\]: so i think white made a good choice
ESCRT [2d\]: b might be trying to resign
tomi [13k?\]: :D
Violence [?\]: Haha... just one day, I'd like to read out a sequence that starts with  R2 D2 C3 P0.... but there's no P0... ._.
]
;W[jm]C[PallMall [4k\]: hehe
genjuro [4d\]: R10 is big
Maliniak2 [1d\]: hehe
tomi [13k?\]: lol
jantiff [-\]: P0 big
Ishisit [-\]: creepyo
philiph [3d\]: e2 first?
]
;B[qj]C[RainGo [2d\]: r10 bigger to me
genjuro [4d\]: E2 is big too, but R10 slightly bigger 
tomi [13k?\]: ^o^
philiph [3d\]: yeah, but white would response to it
philiph [3d\]: then he could leave it
genjuro [4d\]: W might respond to it at S11 ;)
philiph [3d\]: then black takes d2 and is happy
PallMall [4k\]: r10 strange no ?
philiph [3d\]: d2 and e3
philiph [3d\]: well then d19 is bigger
philiph [3d\]: anyways :D
]
;W[pj]C[philiph [3d\]: s10
philiph [3d\]: and s8 later on
Violence [?\]: I like D18....
]
;B[ri]C[genjuro [4d\]: S11 for sure -- why take gote, philiph?
Kamisama [3k\]: i like d19 :)
TwistedOne [2d\]: seems like a bad move...
philiph [3d\]: i like gotes
PallMall [4k\]: anyway there is a gote in that sequence
Ishisit [-\]: yep goatcheese is lovely with honey
Violence [?\]: D18 is sente
Violence [?\]: D19 is gote
bgachamps [-\]: B has 22m W has 25m remaining
Gunther [5d\]: goatmeat is lovely with a1 steak sauce
blueshoe [2k\]: is d17 alive?
philiph [3d\]: d19 for black it is
Violence [?\]: oh
Violence [?\]: I like D18 for white
philiph [3d\]: yeah
]
;W[qk]C[keokietqua [3k?\]: >_<
]
;B[pi]C[blueshoe [2k\]: black group can be killed right`?
Rotwang [7k\]: thnx bgachamps, also, could you please tell me if I can access this game by looking through the KGS archives for user 'bgachamps'?
]
;W[oj]C[Cuda [2k\]: Yes you can
Rotwang [7k\]: ty Cuda
RainGo [2d\]: d18 big
TwistedOne [2d\]: e2 now?
blueshoe [2k\]: i guess two eyes
RainGo [2d\]: d18 force eye for b
BETEPAH [2d\]: everything is alive
blueshoe [2k\]: f2!
Kamisama [3k\]: is F2 big?
]
;B[ak]C[blueshoe [2k\]: g2?
philiph [3d\]: e2 is better
]
;W[ch]C[philiph [3d\]: f2 e2
blueshoe [2k\]: white g2
]
;B[da]C[Ishisit [-\]: let's play bluesclues
TwistedOne [2d\]: I think Bei Ge is only 4d kgs
Dita [1k\]: D5 first
philiph [3d\]: g2 now and b19 is really big soon
philiph [3d\]: yea d5 is good
Dita [1k\]: ^^
Ishisit [-\]: i got my notepad right here
philiph [3d\]: d5 a5
BETEPAH [2d\]: g2 
]
;W[gr]C[blueshoe [2k\]: yay i am right!
tomi [13k?\]: big
blueshoe [2k\]: hooray for me
philiph [3d\]: also s7 is big for white
philiph [3d\]: and black also
bgachamps [-\]: http://www.britgo.org/rating/list.html
]
;B[hm]C[tomi [13k?\]: d5? for b
philiph [3d\]: for white
]
;W[hk]C[Gunther [5d\]: everyone and their mom is 4d kgs, bei ge is clearly better
]
;B[do]C[blueshoe [2k\]: d5 was better
Kamisama [3k\]: S7 is sente for white now?
blueshoe [2k\]: d5 double sente
Uberdude [1d\]: s7 and then q4
blueshoe [2k\]: ooops white can ignore
]
;W[fp]C[Uberdude [1d\]: how is d5 double sente?
Radley [9k?\]: i don't think s7 is sente
Sonius [3k\]: thats the way uhu uhu
Sonius [3k\]: i like it uhu uhu
tomi [13k?\]: >_<
blueshoe [2k\]: look white responded
Sonius [3k\]: 10 winning streak! >=D
tomi [13k?\]: :D
BETEPAH [2d\]: w sould respond to d5 
BETEPAH [2d\]: coz after v f2
BETEPAH [2d\]: after b f2
blueshoe [2k\]: and if white d5 then d6 is too painful for b
BETEPAH [2d\]: b made a lot of pts
BETEPAH [2d\]: *b could've made
dangodan [2d\]: i like w g19
Kamisama [3k\]: Sonius want to play? :)
philiph [3d\]: how about f18
philiph [3d\]: sente
]
;B[fq]C[filk [2k\]: sente?
PallMall [4k\]: wooooooooooooow action !
daladim [2k\]: lol
tomi [13k?\]: lol
Violence [?\]: this isn't action...
blueshoe [2k\]: g3!
tomi [13k?\]: f5 and f2
philiph [3d\]: white f18 would be big right?
philiph [3d\]: f18 f17 g19 e18 f19 e19 b19 
tomi [13k?\]: f18 big
tomi [13k?\]: :D
tomi [13k?\]: i see
KeitaroGo [1k\]: f18 f17 g19 f19 e19 e18 white is fine this way
Gunther [5d\]: dang, due to that seki i cant trust SE and have to actually count it
tomi [13k?\]: >:
philiph [3d\]: let me take it back
tomi [13k?\]: lol
KeitaroGo [1k\]: black i mean
philiph [3d\]: f18 f17 g19 e18 f19 h11 
PallMall [4k\]: u wrong
tomi [13k?\]: lol
PallMall [4k\]: f18 f17 g19 then f19!
PallMall [4k\]: and w alive
philiph [3d\]: for?
philiph [3d\]: huh?
Kamisama [3k\]: white is not dead?
Gunther [5d\]: thats fuzzy logic batgirl
]
;W[fr]C[daladim [2k\]: go w , play g3 !!      \\o/  \\o/  \\o/ 
]
;B[ep]C[daladim [2k\]: mourf
filk [2k\]: gunther: just count that black has five more stones in seki and substract that from SE's result :)
Kamisama [3k\]: F4 was overplay
PallMall [4k\]: sry it s f18 f17 g19 e18 f19 e19 anyway white eye here
tomi [13k?\]: :D
Uberdude [1d\]: what was wrong with g3?
Kamisama [3k\]: or atleast, it looks like it now
jantiff [-\]: why did w omit D5
desperado [3d?\]: pallmall what are you talking about white eyes?
Uberdude [1d\]: g3 f2 h4 g5 h2 j3 e3 
Violence [?\]: f5 ?
daladim [2k\]: i see a w win
philiph [3d\]: pallmall, what are you talking about
philiph [3d\]: white is already alive there
PallMall [4k\]: i know
desperado [3d?\]: white is alive everywhere
]
;W[eq]C[philiph [3d\]: so wth
]
;B[fo]C[tomi [13k?\]: ^o^
keokietqua [3k?\]: O_o
]
;W[rm]C[PallMall [4k\]: but i didn start talking about f18
Uberdude [1d\]: b gained a lot, but gote
tomi [13k?\]: :)
Uberdude [1d\]: so s7 and then q4
BETEPAH [2d\]: sente
filk [2k\]: r7
philiph [3d\]: not q4
Radley [9k?\]: r7 o7 s6 s8?
philiph [3d\]: f18 :)
]
;B[rn]C[tomi [13k?\]: :)
philiph [3d\]: well first h11
philiph [3d\]: or not
philiph [3d\]: :D
filk [2k\]: why not r7 rather than s6?
cmelater [6k\]: why is only person playing?
dorian49 [10k\]: black p4?
tildebis [1d?\]: p4 gote
dorian49 [10k\]: ok
PallMall [4k\]: r7
BETEPAH [2d\]: s9 
cmelater [6k\]: is this a match broadcasting?
jjermann [4k\]: A10?
alderman [1d\]: s4
trumpet [3k\]: yes, cme
filk [2k\]: cmelater: think
PallMall [4k\]: ?
alderman [1d\]: s9
cmelater [6k\]: ok
Gunther [5d\]: black is behind 4pnts by my count
Kamisama [3k\]: P4 is maybe gote
Kamisama [3k\]: but the best block for white now?
Kamisama [3k\]: white has to defend
tildebis [1d?\]: maybe yes
]
;W[pp]C[tildebis [1d?\]: have to see if there is other bigger moves
tildebis [1d?\]: :)
]
;B[oo]
;W[op]
;B[om]C[filk [2k\]: uh
]
;W[oo]C[PallMall [4k\]: maaaahh
trumpet [3k\]: all for r7?
PallMall [4k\]: im for l6
tomi [13k?\]: :)
jjermann [4k\]: that doesn't work l6
filk [2k\]: l6 looks interesting
PallMall [4k\]: i know l6 bluff sente for k8
Violence [?\]: komi victory?
]
;B[hi]
;W[ij]
;B[qm]
;W[pl]C[PallMall [4k\]: s8 victory
jjermann [4k\]: s8 also gives  white something
]
;B[hr]C[Sonius [3k\]: sommige schapen zijn wit
michiel2 [3k\]: wtf
]
;W[ga]C[michiel2 [3k\]: de meeste schapen zijn wit
Sonius [3k\]: niet? :o
Kamisama [3k\]: haha
Kamisama [3k\]: wel
michiel2 [3k\]: :P
Sonius [3k\]: yay~~ ik voel me  grappig~~
]
;B[fb]
;W[fa]C[Kamisama [3k\]: i think the resign will come now
]
;B[ea]C[Batavia [4k\]: weet niet bang, je bent het niet
]
;W[fc]
;B[eb]C[Sonius [3k\]: ok :D
PallMall [4k\]: b m16 really big for w ...
michiel2 [3k\]: lol
Batavia [4k\]: don't think he will resign, not in this stage of the game
nbnf05 [1k\]: a10
Kamisama [3k\]: pallmall, you like to self atari?
Violence [?\]: Instead of resigning
Violence [?\]: black should play M16
Violence [?\]: to look cool.
nbnf05 [1k\]: :x
genjuro [4d\]: W+11.5
PallMall [4k\]: is m&-
trumpet [3k\]: i prefer o17 :P
PallMall [4k\]: is m16 a good ko threat XD
]
;W[rl]C[filk [2k\]: I count W+komi
trumpet [3k\]: m16 good kotherat for whoever picks it first ;)
nbnf05 [1k\]: why not A10 first... its sente..
Kamisama [3k\]: white will win by around 9,5 that is, if black uses his sente wisely now :)
nbnf05 [1k\]: dont understand .. :s
jjermann [4k\]: maybe too small?
jjermann [4k\]: for black I mean
nbnf05 [1k\]: I mean for white
jjermann [4k\]: yeah I don't understand either
Kamisama [3k\]: maybe he missed it
Kamisama [3k\]: who knows, he's only 6d -_-
Uberdude [1d\]: a10 not sente enough
nbnf05 [1k\]: a10 for white not sente ?
Batavia [4k\]: since it isn't sente for black white can wait with playing it
KuudeeKun [3k\]: m11 for B?
nbnf05 [1k\]: why ?
jjermann [4k\]: looks very much sente
Uberdude [1d\]: a10 s8 
jjermann [4k\]: then A8?
nbnf05 [1k\]: a10 s8 s9
nbnf05 [1k\]: t8 a8...
nbnf05 [1k\]: no I really dont understand :x
jjermann [4k\]: can't white directly play A8 instead of S9
nbnf05 [1k\]: may be
nbnf05 [1k\]: but s9 big for black
jjermann [4k\]: is it sente?
PallMall [4k\]: r2 d7 o17 r13 good sequence > just make b win
jjermann [4k\]: if not then white is bigger probably
TwistedOne [2d\]: I wonder is a5 is sente for b
bgachamps [-\]: B has 8m  W has 12m remaining
daladim [2k\]: w wins anyway if my count is correct
Kamisama [3k\]: twisted why do you think that is sente?
Batavia [4k\]: S8 is 5 points, A10 is only 2 if i counted it correctly
dangodan [2d\]: b19 4 points gote
Uberdude [1d\]: wow, someone actually made macfadyen think
genjuro [4d\]: you forget about sente/gote, Batavia
TwistedOne [2d\]: well.. at endgame
TwistedOne [2d\]: w can't ignore a4
bgachamps [-\]: In the other room Des and Alex are both in overtime
TwistedOne [2d\]: so
TwistedOne [2d\]: it's worth a few points
TwistedOne [2d\]: I guess m11 is bigger
TwistedOne [2d\]: 10
nbnf05 [1k\]: no, 11 ^^
elMonk [3d\]: david vs sam?
TwistedOne [2d\]: yeah
TwistedOne [2d\]: ^^
jjermann [4k\]: isn't this end game
jjermann [4k\]: why does black take so long? ^^
Kamisama [3k\]: countin
elMonk [3d\]: because he's trying to find a way to win - and there isn't one
trumpet [3k\]: lag? ;)
Kamisama [3k\]: i think black will resign after he counted, and counted all yose
Kamisama [3k\]: so no more moves, i think 
dangodan [2d\]: another loss for matthew
Kamisama [3k\]: loss?
elMonk [3d\]: must be a long time since he wasn't in the title match
Kamisama [3k\]: take of ur sun glasses :)
KuudeeKun [3k\]: remeber names are in wrong places
RabidKyu [6k\]: Well Honinbo round 4 tonight
dangodan [2d\]: yeah matthew are b
Kamisama [3k\]: LOOOOOOL
Kamisama [3k\]: ?
]
;B[aj]C[nbnf05 [1k\]: rabid where can I watch the game ?
genjuro [4d\]: he is, Kamisama
Violence [?\]: wait... isn't A11 better than A10?
Kamisama [3k\]: why make a ko out of it
Violence [?\]: black is behind, so ko is better for him
]
;W[ba]C[elMonk [3d\]: 1987 last time matthew wasn't in the title match
Kamisama [3k\]: looks like he is getting older ;p
Kamisama [3k\]: others are going to take over
]
;B[ca]C[Kamisama [3k\]: Bei Ge is quite strong
alderman [1d\]: s10
elMonk [3d\]: and excluding that one it's 1977 ^^
]
;W[gq]C[Dyonn: white always wins when these 2 play :)
tomi [13k?\]: 8.5
]
;B[fp]C[tomi [13k?\]: O_O
Kamisama [3k\]: i still think 9,5
tomi [13k?\]: >_<
filk [2k\]: I still think it's by komi
elMonk [3d\]: bei ge v selby broadcast later?
Medice [-\]: i think nothing.
filk [2k\]: that's also good
tomi [13k?\]: :D
Kamisama [3k\]: well look at SE now, and just deduct a few points that are invalid
Intake [2d\]: se dosn't score seki correctly
Intake [2d\]: so its not right
insogo [6k\]: whatsSE?
dangodan [2d\]: seki are 10 points wrong
Kamisama [3k\]: hmm, weird
Kamisama [3k\]: didnt knew that
RabidKyu [6k\]: One could just count the seki out, but SE is a very lazy way to count.
bgachamps [-\]:  ko is in progress at R10-R11 - recorder will catch up in a bit
Intake [2d\]: se marks both groups as dead, and since black group is bigger than whites in the seki, white is awarded morepoints
Kamisama [3k\]: ok
macisajt [7d\]: yesterdaz
bgachamps [-\]: Black starts overtime - 15in5 ... W has 8m left
macisajt [7d\]: whoch colpor won by half?
macisajt [7d\]: color
macisajt [7d\]: which
Kamisama [3k\]: hmm its white's turn right
Kamisama [3k\]: so how can black start overtime ;p
tomi [13k?\]: :D
macisajt [7d\]: haro
Gunther [5d\]: because there is some slack in the broadcast setup
Kamisama [3k\]: white lost 2 games by 0,5 macisajt
Uberdude [1d\]: macisajt, the names here are the wrong way round, b is macfadyen, he lost by 0.5 twice
Kamisama [3k\]: and i believe matthew was both white yesterday
Uberdude [1d\]: Kamisama, w is bei ge
macisajt [7d\]: but yesterday 
macisajt [7d\]: there was s3 at the end
macisajt [7d\]: for white
daladim [2k\]: bei ge is black no ?
Kamisama [3k\]: yeah he missed that, but white still lost by 0,5 because he didnt played s3 :p
macisajt [7d\]: orai
Uberdude [1d\]: no daladim
eon [-\]: bei ge is white
trolling [-\]: bei ge is black the info says
Uberdude [1d\]: the info is wrong
Kamisama [3k\]: info is wrong
Montchik [3k\]: info is wrong
trolling [-\]: omg
trolling [-\]: thx!
Violence [?\]: info is wrong
Kamisama [3k\]: its the other way around :)
Violence [?\]: laaaag
tomi [13k?\]: :)
trolling [-\]: bei ge wins^^
lvx: u r wrong!
tomi [13k?\]: w win 8.5
Uberdude [1d\]: maci, s3 t3 in last game?
macisajt [7d\]: cut and kill
Montchik [3k\]: i think it would have been r4 there 
ShaleStone [6k\]: h4 cut?
macisajt [7d\]: ok ic there was s3 but w didnt play it so lost
macisajt [7d\]: very good
ShaleStone [6k\]: j2 ?
Stupidness [8k\]: sentes time? :)
Stupidness [8k\]: j2 bad
ShaleStone [6k\]: hm
Gunther [5d\]: how many rounds is this league
bgachamps [-\]: Game Over - Bei wins by 3.5
Stupidness [8k\]: wtf?
bgachamps [-\]: Bei is White
tomi [13k?\]: w win
]
;W[rj]C[ShaleStone [6k\]: bei is white?!
]
;B[sj]C[keokietqua [3k?\]: fast>>>
]
;W[qi]
;B[hc]C[KuudeeKun [3k\]: names are in wrong places.. thats all
]
;W[id]C[keokietqua [3k?\]: O_O!!
]
;B[qj]C[nbnf05 [1k\]: r2
]
;W[qg]
;B[qf]
;W[qi]
;B[er]
;W[dr]
;B[qj]
;W[qr]
;B[rr]
;W[qi]C[tomi [13k?\]: j19
ShaleStone [6k\]: b10 
KuudeeKun [3k\]: well j19 or j18... both are treats
tomi [13k?\]: :)
BETEPAH [2d\]: b10 not good
]
;B[kn]C[rams [-\]: so is k19
Uberdude [1d\]: oh, i get s3 in the last game now
]
;W[ko]C[bgachamps [-\]: Sorry
]
;B[qj]C[Montchik [3k\]: :)
Uberdude [1d\]: wow, so matthew should have won
Uberdude [1d\]: by loads seeing as des didn't defend
]
;W[rk]
;B[qi]
;W[ai]C[tomi [13k?\]: m11
sotiris361 [9k\]: k8 
Kamisama [3k\]: M11 
KuudeeKun [3k\]: ahem,
]
;B[jl]C[tomi [13k?\]: :D
keokietqua [3k?\]: :D
]
;W[jo]
;B[hj]C[Laza [4d\]: there is more than 10 point difference...
]
;W[jj]
;B[oi]
;W[ni]C[ShaleStone [6k\]: miscount at end?
]
;B[li]
;W[mi]C[Laza [4d\]: it's not logical for b to play any longer
Laza [4d\]: or maybe b want to invade somewhere :)
tomi [13k?\]: :)
KuudeeKun [3k\]: well when it allready at this point so why not to finish it
]
;B[ho]
;W[iq]
;B[ir]C[Kamisama [3k\]: not bad this, white has to fill up inside his territory 
dangodan [2d\]: laza game is over 3,5 points win
Medice [-\]: j4..
Kamisama [3k\]: 2 points
]
;W[lm]C[Laza [4d\]: maybe he doens't have tiem to come, and still hoping for invasion :)
]
;B[ao]C[tomi [13k?\]: :)
]
;W[ap]C[Laza [4d\]: *time to count
tomi [13k?\]: d16
]
;B[dd]C[Kamisama [3k\]: 1 point hmm
Plunder [3k\]: H13 also 1 point
tomi [13k?\]: g1
]
;W[hg]C[dangodan [2d\]: laza 4 dans should not trust SE
]
(;B[fh]C[Laza [4d\]: :)
KuudeeKun [3k\]: :D
tomi [13k?\]: :)
])
(;B[cd]
;W[bd]C[holywood [3d\]: was like laza 7d? hehe
dangodan [2d\]: you forgot seki miscount
Laza [4d\]: dangodan, is that you in the pic?
tomi [13k?\]: :)
]
;B[gs]
;W[es]
;B[sm]
;W[sk]C[rayen [1d\]: :S
]
;B[si]
;W[ig]
;B[fh]C[ShaleStone [6k\]: it is :-
dangodan [2d\]: what do you think :)
ShaleStone [6k\]: :-p
tomi [13k?\]: lol
Laza [4d\]: lol, i don't know what to think
nbnf05 [1k\]: white +7,5
insogo [6k\]: tomi, how old are you?
tomi [13k?\]: ^_^
bgachamps [-\]: And the record stops as the Dame are filled
tomi [13k?\]: 19
Laza [4d\]: yey
rayen [1d\]: so who is going to challenge Be Gei ? :P
tomi [13k?\]: :D
Kamisama [3k\]: W 54
Laza [4d\]: .5
RabidKyu [6k\]: What record were they playing?
tomi [13k?\]: 6.5
filk [2k\]: 3.5 :)
ShaleStone [6k\]: last years champ
sunnychw [?\]: w +3.5
Kamisama [3k\]: B 59
ShaleStone [6k\]: BGA
tomi [13k?\]: O_o!
tomi [13k?\]: :)
Kamisama [3k\]: w+ 1,5
tomi [13k?\]: >_<
filk [2k\]: kamisama: you have to count again, it's 3.5 :)
Kamisama [3k\]: nooooezz
Kamisama [3k\]: did i miss something
Kamisama [3k\]: ok i will try again
tomi [13k?\]: 3.5
tomi [13k?\]: lol
tomi [13k?\]: ^o^
tomi [13k?\]: i'm wrong
tomi [13k?\]: :D
tomi [13k?\]: 72.5
tomi [13k?\]: 69
PallMall [4k\]: f1
tomi [13k?\]: pass
bgachamps [-\]: Bei won by 3.5
filk [2k\]: bgachamps: thanks for recording
tildebis [1d?\]: oh 
tildebis [1d?\]: thx
tildebis [1d?\]: B wins finally
bgachamps [-\]: No problem
Dyonn: what happened in the other games?
PallMall [4k\]: b + 13.5
tomi [13k?\]: :D
jantiff [-\]: you mean w+3.5 ?
Kamisama [3k\]: where the hell am i telling wrong
tomi [13k?\]: :))
Kamisama [3k\]: B 59 W 54
Kamisama [3k\]: how is it 3.5
tomi [13k?\]: >
puf [?\]: Komi?
Kamisama [3k\]: komi is 6,5
tomi [13k?\]: :)
filk [2k\]: kamisama: captures
filk [2k\]: w has two more
Kamisama [3k\]: oh omfg
Kamisama [3k\]: afcourse
Kamisama [3k\]: forgot those
Kamisama [3k\]: oe
Kamisama [3k\]: then 3,5 :D
Kamisama [3k\]: have to learn to count more i gues :)
trolling [-\]: yesm, you have to ^^
keokietqua [3k?\]: hi all
tomi [13k?\]: ^^
sunnychw [?\]: @bgachamps: is there another transmission in one hour?
tomi [13k?\]: hi
keokietqua [3k?\]: :)
Spectrums [15k\]: Is this a review of yesterdays game?
tomi [13k?\]: :)
Worthless [1d?\]: Question - if White won, why does the info say Bei Ge won?
pastachees [4k\]: what info?
Worthless [1d?\]: bgachamps' info
goplayer01 [11k?\]: why isn't the time going down
Worthless [1d?\]: The game is over.
goplayer01 [11k?\]: who won
Worthless [1d?\]: Either Black or White.
Worthless [1d?\]: bgachamps's info says Bei Ge (Black) won, but the game looks more like a victory for White.
Haloran [-\]: PLEASE when start next round
Dyonn: the info is wrong, Bei Ge won, as white.
Worthless [1d?\]: 14:30 BST...So, 13:30 GMT....in 5 minutes, I think
Worthless [1d?\]: Dyonn - the colours in this game are reversed?
Haloran [-\]: THX MAN
Dyonn: the colours are right, just the names are wrong.
Worthless [1d?\]: Alright, I see. Thank you very much.
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