(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
GN[BGA Title Match Game Four]PW[Alex Selby]PB[Bei Ge]WR[4d]BR[6d]DT[2007-10-07]EV[2007 BGA Championship]RO[4]PC[Milton Keynes]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Title Match Starting at 10.
BGAadmin [-\]: Alex is here
BGAadmin [-\]: Waiting for Bei Ge
BGAadmin [-\]: All players here
maproomad [-\]: I have evented the game
BGAadmin [-\]: Thanks
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;B[pp]C[BGAadmin [-\]: And the game is underway ..
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;W[dd]
;B[cp]
;W[pd]
;B[cj]
;W[fq]C[Ninjinka [1k\]: what's the time for game?
BGAadmin [-\]: 3 hours each main time
Ninjinka [1k\]: thx :)
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;B[hq]C[Fireclaw [8k\]: What is the BGA?
wysek [-\]: What is Google?
Fireclaw [8k\]: A search engine, but there are many players in this room who could provide the same information, likely more detailed, about this specific match so those of us who DON'T know what it is, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, can learn and therefore understand what is happening better
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;W[cq]
;B[dq]C[Ninjinka [1k\]: this last game if bei win...
BGAadmin [-\]: British Go Association
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;W[dp]
;B[bq]C[Fireclaw [8k\]: Thank you
Ninjinka [1k\]: like click on BGAadmin and read his info for example... 
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;W[cr]
;B[ep]
;W[do]
;B[eq]C[Pianist [8d\]: playing c10 outright is pretty funny
Pianist [8d\]: makes it obvious that he will play this trick variation
laoli [4d\]: h3 should be at h4 to make this trick work
BGAadmin [-\]: Variation looks prepared - Alex currently used 15 minutes of his time, Bei only 1 minute
kryft [5k\]: Pianist, What move started the trick variation? E3?
Funta [?\]: move fast
Pianist [8d\]: b3
Ninjinka [1k\]: c2 was common?
kryft [5k\]: Pianist, Did white fall for it? :)
gisel [1d\]: yes, c2 is instead b3 would start common joseki
Pianist [8d\]: he did not fall for anything
kryft [5k\]: Pianist, Oh, and would you say that playing C10 outright is a bad idea (assuming best play from the opponent)? I know the conventional wisdom is that one should make a shimari before the extension, but I'm not sure I understand the rationale
Pianist [8d\]: yet
There: c5
Pianist [8d\]: well, playing like this is not good spirit
Pianist [8d\]: imo
There: c5
maproomad [-\]: Pianist, if you were to make a clone of this game, and discuss the sequences in it, I am sure the audience will be grateful   :)
There: c5 or b4
There: c5, b2, then kill the black
There: please go quickly
Ninjinka [1k\]: there with who you r talking?
There: with Alex
Ninjinka [1k\]: i don't think he will listen :P
Plutonium [1k\]: why they dont play
Ninjinka [1k\]: cause if alex lose final is over...
There: maybe they are old guy
gisel [1d\]: wouldnt c5 be falling into blacks trap?
geohouse: everybody can help me!!!
There: c5, b2, can kill black
geohouse: i have just enter this game
geohouse: lease
BGAadmin [-\]: Bei's just left the room temporarily, Alex has his head in his hands, deep in thought
gisel [1d\]: yes, but after b2 black b5 b6 c6 b7 e6 and white is squeezed painfully
There: Alex is sleeping now
Namii [-\]: There: if White C5, black will play B4, white B5, black B2, but this is bad for white because of the C10 stone
There: then b2
There: the corner is very big
Ninjinka [1k\]: c5 b4 b2 b5 e5 f4 f5 g4 b6 ?
There: if b5 then b6
Sanjy [5k\]: are they pro?
Namii [-\]: b2 doesn't work for white
BGAadmin [-\]: Bei returns with coffee and biscuits
Ninjinka [1k\]: e5 not sente for w???
There: if black go c 6, white then e5
schwing [3k\]: Sanjy: 4D and 6D
Sanjy [5k\]: oké
Namii [-\]: black always has the b7 reply for white B6, which saves him
There: only c5 and b2,then kill the black
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;W[eo]
;B[fp]C[There: it is wrong
There: e5 is very bad
Ninjinka [1k\]: why?
w00dy [6k\]: what match is this?
w00dy [6k\]: what is BGA?
Ninjinka [1k\]: info of bgaadmin ...
schwing [3k\]: see BGAadmin Info
There: the both side white maybe killed
nutnut [7k\]: ball grid array
w00dy [6k\]: is this live?>
w00dy [6k\]: sorry if im pestering pples
There: B4 the smal corner is alive
Ninjinka [1k\]: read old comments
There: now the white only b4
There: so the e5 is very bad
Ninjinka [1k\]: he can still push c5 b5 and then c13 c7 d8 c8 e7 for example
There: if so, the both side white will be not alive
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;W[bp]
;B[co]
;W[cn]
;B[bo]
;W[bn]
;B[ap]C[backpack [2k\]: ko in lower left?
There: also wrong
Ninjinka [1k\]: seems better than this anyway
There: C6 is also very bad
darkboy [7k\]: sureee
iceworld12 [7k\]: what is the beat move?
There: the white has no room (no point) and may be killed
loosy [3k\]: there: why do you say that every move is bad?
darkboy [7k\]: this really looks so painfull for w
There: the white has no room (no point) and may be killed
There: yes the game can be finished. the black wins
dagdsafg: w is ahead
There: no
Ninjinka [1k\]: 50% of last 10 w moves got captured.. can't be good
There: black is ahead much
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;W[br]C[dagdsafg: you are very weak
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;B[ar]C[iceworld12 [7k\]: i think this is good move
iceworld12 [7k\]: b2
w00dy [6k\]: seems so
darkboy [7k\]: we will see
dagdsafg: now black is dead
There: A2 is not good
Ninjinka [1k\]: w can't win ko
dagdsafg: w can't lost ko
iceworld12 [7k\]: why?
There: should go D2
dagdsafg: a6-a5
dagdsafg: a1-b1
BGAadmin [-\]: Alex has now used 45 minutes to Bei's 2 minutes
darkboy [7k\]: lol
dagdsafg: c1-d2
There: the A2 should D2
iceworld12 [7k\]: w may win the ko
freee: what ko??
dagdsafg: a1 and b has no one ko threat
dagdsafg: so white will kil
bicepmania [5d\]: but w need two consecutive moves to win the ko
dagdsafg: and that's mean w ahead
dagdsafg: and that's also mean that there is weak
BGAadmin [-\]: There: It would be interesting to have explained why c5 was correct before e5, but poor after e5-e4 exchange
iceworld12 [7k\]: can w play a5?
schwing [3k\]: bD2 instead pf A2. Can't w than capture the b B4-group?
There: if w b2 the b go D6
dagdsafg: no need
XiaXia [2d\]: game over
POTsmoker [3d\]: a6
Paddlefoot [1k\]: a6 first
Zetsumei [-\]: W can't win the ko
Paddlefoot [1k\]: a6 a5 a1
dagdsafg: w can't lost this ko
freee: and then?
Paddlefoot [1k\]: b1 c1 d2 takes ko a1
Paddlefoot [1k\]: and b must make first ko threat
dagdsafg: there is no ko threats
There: it is no problem that the white must be killed
dangodan [3d\]: w wins ko but b gets 3 moves in a row?
There: so the game can be over
There: the black wins
Hendrix [1d\]: e4 strange move?
dagdsafg: black will get 2 moves
heavykill [2k\]: i cannot see how white can win this
weiqidevil [-\]: trick move
SunnyD [3d\]: is this juseki?
There: it is clear
Ninjinka [1k\]: b will have 3 moves in a row
schwing [3k\]: There: why don't you open a demonstration and prove your assertions, so we can get, what you're talking about
freee: still w must win this
Janan [-\]: white will a1?
Infostuden [2k\]: i bet on b
michiel2 [1d\]: no ko threats for w
SunnyD [3d\]: how to bet on kgs?
dangodan [3d\]: why dont you? if you cant read without stones
There: white a1 the black B1
Hendrix [1d\]: w wins ko.. but it is worth it?
Janan [-\]: then c1 and 3 free moves for black, no?
Gruzum [6k\]: is not like W has any other choice
SunnyD [3d\]: do I need latest kgs for betting?
backpack [2k\]: do you get a free teaching game from a strong player if you win the bet?
SunnyD [3d\]: ?
Janan [-\]: I do not see why white is thinking so much, he seems to not like giving so much free moves
heavykill [2k\]: lol sunny d, go eweiqi to bet
There: the white will be killed
Gruzum [6k\]: if W is killed B ahead big time
PS1 [2k\]: a1 the only way ?
Gruzum [6k\]: if W kills B will be ahead again
There: no
There: a1 then b1
freee: white must kill b to stay in the game, but after this his position is behind
PS1 [2k\]: a5 first then a1
PS1 [2k\]: ko
PS1 [2k\]: b has no threat
BGAadmin [-\]: There: You said 25 should be at D2 not A2 - does wA6 not then kill black?
Hendrix [1d\]: a5?
chiefsea [2k?\]: w was behind from the first move so nothing changes that deep i think
There: enven now, the black can kill the white.
SunnyD [3d\]: <<<Lame joke alert>>>
SunnyD [3d\]: this konfusing ko is konfounding
loosy [3k\]: god new attack of the kkk!
SunnyD [3d\]: I warned you
dangodan [3d\]: a6 a5 a1 b1 c1 d2 a1 random a3 random b4 random move 
dagdsafg: not random
dagdsafg: c14 + e15 + e16
There: the white only go D7 or E8, or it will be killed
dagdsafg: or even d15 instead of c14
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;W[em]C[trumpet [3k\]: what game is this?
There: yes.
choumasaki [1d\]: wA6 bA5 wA1 bB1 wC1 bD2
There:  e8 better
There: e8 better
BGAadmin [-\]: Alex has taken his jacket off and left the room, and for the first time Bei is seriously stopping to think
evave [11k\]: ya...maybe e8 better
HFIRE [12k\]: how much time do they have at their disposal?
dangodan [3d\]: e8 30kyu move
SunnyD [3d\]: age of selby?
trumpet [3k\]: Is this British Championship?
BGAadmin [-\]: 3 hours each + canadian overtime
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;B[cg]C[dangodan [3d\]: read at top trumpet
heavykill [2k\]: wasn't d6 good threat for black too? ladder is not working but driving is much  ko threats
HFIRE [12k\]: thanks , this should be really fun
There: the black is ahead so much
trumpet [3k\]: BGA= British Go Assoc.?
evave [11k\]: ya
SunnyD [3d\]: Botswana Go Alliance
evave [11k\]: who lives in corner?
heavykill [2k\]: me
tildebis [1k?\]: Black
trumpet [3k\]: thx Sunny ;)
SunnyD [3d\]: they dont care, they want outside
evave [11k\]: sry trumpet......im confused with BGF
There: the white now is hard to go everywhere
dangodan [3d\]: corner is ko, but w needs 2 moves to remove b only one move
SunnyD [3d\]: korner is ko, settled...
Ninjinka [1k\]: corner smaller than 3 moves
There: the black is very thick
Denniskutl [1d\]: very useful comment
There: so the black will defeat white.
evave [11k\]: lol
darkboy [7k\]: o_O
ShaleStone [5k\]: blacks a2 seems pointless to me
There: the white will be attack and maybe killed
ShaleStone [5k\]: an no
ShaleStone [5k\]: nvm
ShaleStone [5k\]: dident read.
dangodan [3d\]: e7 has no value if w wins go, so now it will take a long time before he willl start ko
Hendrix [1d\]: right side or upper side now?
ShaleStone [5k\]: this group could be forced to become very heavy
dangodan [3d\]: w need a move around f17 so no right side
lapartie: c'est fin pour blanc?
ShaleStone [5k\]: this is a british match lapartie
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;W[ce]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: speak rnglish here.
ShaleStone [5k\]: english
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;B[dr]C[lapartie: non merci
ShaleStone [5k\]: then dont speak
ShaleStone [5k\]: -.-
BGAadmin [-\]: Bei has decided to settle the corner for good
loosy [3k\]: la france a gangé contre les all blacks
ShaleStone [5k\]: no
loosy [3k\]: yahouuuuuuuuuuuu!
ShaleStone [5k\]: ko threat at a6
ShaleStone [5k\]: for white
lapartie: avec D2 il dit lever les mains
YodaNorimo [4d\]: ShaleStone [5k\]: ko threat at a6              a5 a6 a7 b1 a5 c1 
ShaleStone [5k\]: fine -.- gigantic ko threat
YodaNorimo [4d\]: even a5 a6 a7 a5 
trumpet [3k\]: d11 now?
ShaleStone [5k\]: r9
SunnyD [3d\]: 6d makes good shape, we must learn
BGAadmin [-\]: wA6 bA5 wA1 bB1
BGAadmin [-\]: wC1 no longer creates ko
HoangVu [-\]: eeeh ? ;p there was never a ko
trumpet [3k\]: before d2 there was
HoangVu [-\]: I see
SunnyD [3d\]: C11!!!!!
HoangVu [-\]: lol
lapartie: R9 maintenant
dangodan [3d\]: e10 maybe
Hendrix [1d\]: d12
BGAadmin [-\]: Alex has used 75 minutes now, Bei only 5
lapartie: mdr
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;W[ej]C[trumpet [3k\]: well, 3 hours each is very comfortable
SunnyD [3d\]: age of selby
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;B[ei]
;W[fi]
;B[eh]C[dangodan [3d\]: i dont like e11 - e13 seems better?
HoangVu [-\]: the white position is quite strong anyway so it doesn't cost much to lean onto
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;W[dj]
;B[ci]
;W[fh]C[HFIRE [12k\]: the influence helps but black should tennuki already? get some of the north side
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;B[fg]C[zazie [-\]: well, the white shape is bad
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;W[gg]
;B[ff]C[HFIRE [12k\]: but doesn't it just become stronger this way?
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;W[gf]
;B[fe]C[lapartie: this wall does nothing
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;W[fc]C[Trumelunki [4d\]: Black is better, white just broke the upper side
kirisute [-\]: more problematic is the cutting points..
lapartie: agree
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;B[ge]C[kirisute [-\]: (than the position of the wall)
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;W[if]
;B[gc]C[sharan [7k\]: w got some nice influense
daladim [1d\]: alex selby is the one who has solved the eternety puzzle isnt it ?
HFIRE [12k\]: if white sacrifices a stone around d12 d13 , it can cut black viciously
BGAadmin [-\]: @daladim: yes, with a colleague
daladim [1d\]: okidok ^^
BGAadmin [-\]: Lunch is 12:30 BST, current time 11:36
kirisute [-\]: there is no cut there
sharan [7k\]: b is all light 
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;W[fd]
;B[gd]C[Funkfreed [12k?\]: he got 1million for solving the puzzle? Oo
sharan [7k\]: what puzzle???
daladim [1d\]: yes funkfreed ^^
daladim [1d\]: the first one anyway
Funkfreed [12k?\]: well the puzzle does look quite hard :>
daladim [1d\]: they do are ^^
sharan [7k\]: what puzzle ..where can i find it...
daladim [1d\]: euh my engl poor
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;W[jd]C[Funkfreed [12k?\]: this summer they released eternityII =)
daladim [1d\]: humm i think on the web u should have some infos
daladim [1d\]: yope
Funkfreed [12k?\]: sharan google eternity puzzle
daladim [1d\]: ^__^
Funkfreed [12k?\]: :)
daladim [1d\]: with 2 million :)
Funkfreed [12k?\]: maybe i should give it a shot :O or is it solved already
]
;B[fj]C[HuMan [2k?\]: Ge Bei is black, right?
maproomad [-\]: Alex shared the solving, and the prize, with a friend
Dyonn: they're not going to announce whether anyone has solved eternity 2 until Dec 08
trumpet [3k\]: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Eternity.html
]
;W[hi]C[Funkfreed [12k?\]: http://uk.eternityii.com/try-eternity2-online/
]
;B[fk]C[HFIRE [12k\]: white in twoobble
trumpet [3k\]: twobble, what a nice word
Warfreak2 [2d\]: of course white is in trouble, black is bei ge
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;W[ck]
;B[bk]C[trumpet [3k\]: alex won the first game though
BGAadmin [-\]: A very close half point ko fight to the end ..
BGAadmin [-\]: Exciting game
Warfreak2 [2d\]: trumpet, have you seen the first game
trumpet [3k\]: no i didnt
Warfreak2 [2d\]: go look at it
trumpet [3k\]: just read the info
Warfreak2 [2d\]: then you'll see how alex won
sharan [7k\]: but what so special bout that puzzle?
trumpet [3k\]: could u summarize for me, warfreak?
trumpet [3k\]: :)
Warfreak2 [2d\]: why, when it will be infinitely more entertaining for you to see for yourself
Funkfreed [12k?\]: werent there alot more competitors last time?
BGAadmin [-\]: There's a McMahon tournament - top 8 play in the challengers league
BGAadmin [-\]: Top two in challengers league play best of 5 for the title
Funkfreed [12k?\]: ah ok
BGAadmin [-\]: Bei is currently looking very relaxed, reading a leaflet - Alex still deep in thought
Warfreak2 [2d\]: how are the clocks?
BGAadmin [-\]: Alex has 75 mins left, Bei has 170
Warfreak2 [2d\]: :D
BGAadmin [-\]: Clocks started at 180
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;W[el]C[Nickless [4k\]: wow
kirisute [-\]: c8 too easy..?
geilord [3k\]: what is wow?
Nickless [4k\]: seems like Bei's thinking on Alex's time
Baduk4you [4d\]: it seems thinking doesnt help alex to win
HoangVu [-\]: well he is
Nickless [4k\]: he used only 10 minutes
Babus [?\]: ^^
BGAadmin [-\]: Bei nods in approval at E8, and thinking about response
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;B[hk]C[geilord [3k\]: oh really :D
Warfreak2 [2d\]: more like bei doesn't have to think to beat alex
HuMan [2k?\]: Thanks for the additional infos, BGAadmin!
ShaleStone [5k\]: warfreak ide quite like alex to win this
ShaleStone [5k\]: -.0
snowman [-\]: this begs the question what can you do with 3 hours thinking time
ShaleStone [5k\]: i like having a british player hold our title ;-p
snowman [-\]: except boring your opponent to death
BGAadmin [-\]: No problem Human, thanks for feedback!
kirisute [-\]: think long and hard about umbrellas, for one thing
Warfreak2 [2d\]: shale, for alex to win, he needs three wins. bei needs any one of the next three games
Gardan [-\]: have a good long lunch ?
Cuda [2k\]: Watch a movie while your opponent thinks
BGAadmin [-\]: Next two warfreak, he already has the first
Warfreak2 [2d\]: oh right, yes
Warfreak2 [2d\]: but still
Warfreak2 [2d\]: it is not looking likely for alex
BGAadmin [-\]: If he wins this, all is even at 2-2, it's not that long a shot
Warfreak2 [2d\]: but bei is better ;-P
ShaleStone [5k\]: ...
HoangVu [-\]: lol :p
hedkandi05 [9k\]: we are british we like backing underdogs
sharan [7k\]: alex is strong :OO
GrandMoche [3k\]: where do they come from ?
GrandMoche [3k\]: (don't answer UK please)
Warfreak2 [2d\]: alex selby is from cambridge i think
ShaleStone [5k\]: bei comes from china i think
HoangVu [-\]: Milton Keynes
maproomad [-\]: Bei Ge lives in Bicester
ShaleStone [5k\]: but comes from china
GrandMoche [3k\]: ok thanks
BGAadmin [-\]: Both British citizens however -- requirement on challenging for title I believe
GrandMoche [3k\]: nope
GrandMoche [3k\]: you just have to live in UK for 5 years
ShaleStone [5k\]: yes - but all im saying is that korea and china have the stronest players in the world.
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;W[hn]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: strongest
GrandMoche [3k\]: I don't think you need to be citizen
ShaleStone [5k\]: residency
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;B[jk]C[Warfreak2 [2d\]: i think bgaadmin probably knows more about it
]
;W[pk]C[Warfreak2 [2d\]: brave tenuki
maproomad [-\]: see http://www.britgo.org/bchamp/chrules.html for the eligibility rules
ShaleStone [5k\]: you can find information on the internet simply these days
Warfreak2 [2d\]: pfff internet
ShaleStone [5k\]: tony atkins on bga admin today or..
Warfreak2 [2d\]: what's the internet ever done for anyone
BGAadmin [-\]: Many thanks maproom
Baduk4you [4d\]: internet gave me a girlfriend^^
ShaleStone [5k\]: -.-
ShaleStone [5k\]: did you tell her you played go
BGAadmin [-\]: Bei seems to be studying the white E7 group intently, has returned the stone to the bowl
Warfreak2 [2d\]: he is going to kill it
Baduk4you [4d\]: of course
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;B[jm]C[Baduk4you [4d\]: she is korean. so no problems^^
GrandMoche [3k\]: BGAadmin is not a french guy waiting to be able to enter british tournaments ;)
ShaleStone [5k\]: some cutting aji here.
ShaleStone [5k\]: .... please dont talk about french - their grading is soo off
sharan [7k\]: is that w group in trouble?
ShaleStone [5k\]: yes
ShaleStone [5k\]: well - some bad aji
sharan [7k\]: w needs some contact play now
HoangVu [-\]: I've seen a french 1d they pretty decent
ShaleStone [5k\]: at the open last year i played a enterent at 8kyu - they were kgs 4kyu
ShaleStone [5k\]: when i asked after
HoangVu [-\]: ^_^
HoangVu [-\]: Same for me when I played as 7k
ShaleStone [5k\]: no wonder he was decent
HoangVu [-\]: But I still won 3 of 5
ShaleStone [5k\]: lol
GrandMoche [3k\]: same for me. When I arrived i told every one I was 8k
HoangVu [-\]: :D
HoangVu [-\]: lol
GrandMoche [3k\]: but here in england looks like I am more 2 or 3k
HoangVu [-\]: I was kgs 7k registered as swedish 7k
HoangVu [-\]: And when I was kgs 4k I reg as 4k
HoangVu [-\]: And gonna register as 2k :p since I can't reg higher need to win my ranks
HoangVu [-\]: so I think it's perfectly ok to play with stronger players if you play seriously enough
HoangVu [-\]: I mean, you get as strong as them during the course of the game I assume
ShaleStone [5k\]: haha - imagine getting to 3dan on ks and entering at 2kyu at tournaments
HoangVu [-\]: yy
HoangVu [-\]: I plan to do that
GrandMoche [3k\]: As long as there is no handi it's ok
michiel2 [1d\]: I'm 2k at tournaments :/
Maki1 [3k\]: lol
HoangVu [-\]: Well 2k highest available "free rank" in sweden
HoangVu [-\]: ;P
HoangVu [-\]: So I have no choice
Warfreak2 [2d\]: uberdude 3d is still british 1.4 kyu
HoangVu [-\]: Even if i end up 6 dan before next tournament :D
Maki1 [3k\]: I always say I am 12k
HoangVu [-\]: LOL!!!!
evave [11k\]: i say im 11k
ShaleStone [5k\]: british ranking is i kyu higher then kgs 
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;W[io]C[HoangVu [-\]: same in sweden ;P
HoangVu [-\]: but doesn't matter
HoangVu [-\]: I evolve during games
HoangVu [-\]: :P
ShaleStone [5k\]: i think changes in dan level.
HoangVu [-\]: I always end up a few stones stronger after tournaments
noSys [4k?\]: When I say I'm 7dan, nobody trust me....
HoangVu [-\]: XD
HoangVu [-\]: :p
Warfreak2 [2d\]: haha, my rating is 2007.
Warfreak2 [2d\]: how appropriate
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;B[ko]C[evave [11k\]: now i think b leading?
BGAadmin [-\]: Flag has just dropped for Alex's second hour
Warfreak2 [2d\]: b leading by 2 dan-ranks
HoangVu [-\]: black gonna get lower right a lot
ShaleStone [5k\]: some bad cutting aji  see
HoangVu [-\]: maybe 30 points
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;W[cl]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: ah
]
;B[ek]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: yes - hes going to cut
HuMan [2k?\]: b leading by about 2 hours :-)
evave [11k\]: lol
ShaleStone [5k\]: dose alex have to react...
HoangVu [-\]: those 2 stones are cutting stones
HoangVu [-\]: worth a lot
BGAadmin [-\]: Alex went to play and then returned the stone to the bowl, still examining that group though
Warfreak2 [2d\]: but they cut two strong groups
ShaleStone [5k\]: but white can cut further up
HoangVu [-\]: white ?? cut ;P ?? 
]
;W[dk]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: k6j8 cutting aji
Warfreak2 [2d\]: jumping in at j8 is like me at 20k automatically cutting every knights move because i knew how ;-P
]
;B[bl]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: theres nothing wrong with cutting
Warfreak2 [2d\]: i strongly disagree
HoangVu [-\]: me too ;P 
BGAadmin [-\]: Nothing wrong with cutting unless it is a bad move
ShaleStone [5k\]: -.o yes
noSys [4k?\]: nothing wrong except for example creating a new weak group
ShaleStone [5k\]: well when you cut dosnt it come with the package.
Warfreak2 [2d\]: no
Warfreak2 [2d\]: when it is ok to cut, is when your cutting stones are stronger than the group you cut off
Warfreak2 [2d\]: or if you split a group into two weak groups rather than just cut one weak part off
noSys [4k?\]: creating a weak group in the enemy territory and surrounded by stronger enemy group is not what I call something wise
ShaleStone [5k\]: well see what happens
BGAadmin [-\]: 10 minutes remaining until lunch
ShaleStone [5k\]: im thinking theres going to be cutting.
BGAadmin [-\]: Both players still fixated on the white E7 group
Warfreak2 [2d\]: how about if a 30k comes along and says i think b will play b1 to capture three white stones
HoangVu [-\]: xD
ShaleStone [5k\]: i dont think a 30kyu would see this
HuMan [2k?\]: b1 honte :-)
HoangVu [-\]: lol :p
evave [11k\]: whats honte?
HoangVu [-\]: b1 is not the proper move
HoangVu [-\]: Honte = Proper move
Warfreak2 [2d\]: honte means slow
Warfreak2 [2d\]: ;)
evave [11k\]: ???...who's right
noSys [4k?\]: but here b1 is more than slow
HoangVu [-\]: it's gotre
HoangVu [-\]: gote
noSys [4k?\]: so in any case it can't be honte
HoangVu [-\]: B 1 is definitely ko and not even a ko threat ;p
HoangVu [-\]: gote*
Warfreak2 [2d\]: sorry, you say, it can't be honte (= slow) because it is more than slow
HoangVu [-\]: definitely gote*
ShaleStone [5k\]: if theres under 10 mins left alex should start thining about making a move.
HoangVu [-\]: And it gives 1 point
ShaleStone [5k\]: thinking
HoangVu [-\]: So it is nothing ;P
hedkandi05 [9k\]: honte move can be gote, just not this type of gote
Warfreak2 [2d\]: it can be gote and -1pt, that doesn't exempt it from being slow also
BGAadmin [-\]: Bei has just left the room, Alex still deep in thought
evave [11k\]: b1 ko?
]
;W[gl]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Famous last words
HoangVu [-\]: Lol
ShaleStone [5k\]: rofl
Warfreak2 [2d\]: wow
Warfreak2 [2d\]: just wow
noSys [4k?\]: yes but one point at this stage of the game is not so much, I think you can find at least some moves worse 2 or 3 points ;-)
ShaleStone [5k\]: thats herlerious.
]
;B[hj]C[Warfreak2 [2d\]: this move was kind of obvious
Warfreak2 [2d\]: now no j8
Warfreak2 [2d\]: alex should have thought about this next move, before playing the forcing move
Xrated [4k\]: he is only 4d
]
;W[md]C[Warfreak2 [2d\]: i mean, if you play a forcing move, your next move should be immediate
HerMajesty: 4dans know they are supposed to think about their next move
HoangVu [-\]: "only"
Warfreak2 [2d\]: silly to play a forcing move then think "what now"
Warfreak2 [2d\]: you should already know what now.
BGAadmin [-\]: I am guessing Alex wanted to settle the group in sente... hard to know for now
]
;B[qi]C[HuMan [2k?\]: yes, looks like it
ShaleStone [5k\]: i think that their racing not to get the final move...
HerMajesty: is white in overtimes?
Warfreak2 [2d\]: third hour
BGAadmin [-\]: White has 45 minutes remaining
Warfreak2 [2d\]: r11 makes me smile :)
ShaleStone [5k\]: in the championship dose the person with the last move before lunch break have to seal the move.
BGAadmin [-\]: Correct
ShaleStone [5k\]: ok
Warfreak2 [2d\]: is the lunch break after 3 hours of play
Warfreak2 [2d\]: because alex will have run out of time by lunch in that case
BGAadmin [-\]: Lunch is 12:30 BST -- 2hrs 30 after beginning of play
ShaleStone [5k\]: no 5mins till lunch break
ShaleStone [5k\]: or now
ShaleStone [5k\]: -.o
evave [11k\]: how long is lunch
ShaleStone [5k\]: ennouth to think of a good move ;-d
evave [11k\]: do they have photographic memory
OneManShow [2k\]: are the players allowed to talk to other persons during the break?
mego [2d\]: ennouth :-) that's a funny typo
ShaleStone [5k\]: alot of players can play out a game they just played.
HerMajesty: players are locked up during break?
ShaleStone [5k\]: hahaha
]
;W[oj]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: nice
ShaleStone [5k\]: woha
HuMan [2k?\]: haha, the sealing move tesuji
zazie [-\]: then, R14, S15 ?
zazie [-\]: or maybe S16 first by Bei Ge
ShaleStone [5k\]: well then white will make very heavy.
Warfreak2 [2d\]: difficult to make a living group heavy
HoangVu [-\]: ^^ 
ShaleStone [5k\]: group -.- you mean 1 stone.
Warfreak2 [2d\]: wrong.
evave [11k\]: how long is lunch
Warfreak2 [2d\]: after s16 it is two.
Warfreak2 [2d\]: ;-P
ShaleStone [5k\]: s16 hmmm
BGAadmin [-\]: I think play resumes at 2, but I will confirm when lunch starts
]
;B[mj]C[HoangVu [-\]: woah
ShaleStone [5k\]: looks like you were wrong
Warfreak2 [2d\]: this was unexpected
BGAadmin [-\]: Game is running alongside another tournament, and other considerations may apply
ShaleStone [5k\]: s16 seems a bit slow
evave [11k\]: 1.5 hrs...so long
Warfreak2 [2d\]: shalestone, you are right, i was wrong about not being able to make living groups heavy
ShaleStone [5k\]: -.o
ShaleStone [5k\]: that wasnt childish at all.
HerMajesty: N10 is a bit too lighthearted
]
;W[qg]
;B[qc]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Next move is sealed move
Warfreak2 [2d\]: alex should go for the kill ;)
HerMajesty: seled move better resign
ShaleStone [5k\]: ah... alex get the sealed move...
ShaleStone [5k\]: that sucks
zazie [-\]: he won this at least
BGAadmin [-\]: Bei has left the room, just awaiting move to be sealed, and then play will resume after lunch
BGAadmin [-\]: Sealed move made, all players left
BGAadmin [-\]: Alex has 34 minutes left, Bei has 2 hours 41 left
zazie [-\]: bon appétit :)
BGAadmin [-\]: See you later!
ShaleStone [5k\]: im thinking he ignrores
ShaleStone [5k\]: unless he can get sente
ShaleStone [5k\]: then playr3
sfrex [1k\]: testing
evave [11k\]: q17 r16 q12 ...my guess
evave [11k\]: im off to lunch too...
kyo1000 [17k?\]: laha
There: C17
There: C17 then the white is killed
MatchFree [-\]: really?
There: yes
TeeSushi [1d\]: c17 d17 alive?
There: no
There: c17 ,d17, b18
Intake [2d\]: b18? i would kill that so fast
There: b16
HerMajesty: Black G18 big 
HerMajesty: white no points really on top side
HerMajesty: one group 5 points
There: g18 not better then e18
Intake [2d\]: b16 too
HerMajesty: one corner 15 points
TeeSushi [1d\]: i think white lives there dont see how black wanna pretend b to get 2 eyes while living
HoangVu [-\]: if one of black's stones survive ( black win ) :p
HoangVu [-\]: very likely
HerMajesty: black should win
There: e18
Intake [2d\]: w top left is so alive, although im sure black can get a nice endgame sequence somehow on it
Intake [2d\]: dont think he can kill
TeeSushi [1d\]: yeah i think like intake
TeeSushi [1d\]: wonder how someone can have the idea of killing this ^^
leslielau [3k\]: maybe B play D18 ^^
Intake [2d\]: w block at r16 should be best move rite now...
Intake [2d\]: then do the double hane joseki
OneManShow [2k\]: if w r16, r13 looks too close
Intake [2d\]: not if he does the double hane joseki to take the corner
Intake [2d\]: if w blocks at q17, w is still open on the top
Intake [2d\]: and is easily reduced
Intake [2d\]: especially a black mover like G18
Intake [2d\]: threatens two things
ShaleStone [5k\]: yes - then if white eventually takes r16 black can live by ko
ShaleStone [5k\]: i think.
Intake [2d\]: well, black lives no matter what
Intake [2d\]: i just think theres less drawbacks with r16 block
HerMajesty: just no way for white to turn around game
ShaleStone [5k\]: i think there might be
Intake [2d\]: but, w is thin in top center, so anything can happen
Intake [2d\]: black will attack soon
ShaleStone [5k\]: r3 is still possible
HerMajesty: black no weak stones
ShaleStone [5k\]: to reduce
HerMajesty: R3 just points
HerMajesty: L5 thank you 
There: why the white not to resign?
CaptKazuma [15k\]: cool english dude
Intake [2d\]: you'd think white was reading to the end of the game
Intake [2d\]: 22 times
Zygen [6k\]: Oh, I thought they were at lunch or something
Zygen [6k\]: W still has time?
Intake [2d\]: o are they?
Intake [2d\]: makes sense
Zygen [6k\]: I dunno ^_^
There: the game should be over
Zygen [6k\]: r16 seems like a no brainer to me
There: the white should resign
Zygen [6k\]: but b is definitely ahead
There: e18 or b16 or c17 then the game is over
Zygen [6k\]: c17 is just a big endgame, right?
There: yes
Warfreak2 [2d\]: no
BGAadmin [-\]: resuming soon
Warfreak2 [2d\]: more than just points
There: yes
There: the white nearly has no points
Dredeas [3k\]: how strong is Bei Ge [6d\] if it is in KGS ranking?
Warfreak2 [2d\]: probably about 6d
Warfreak2 [2d\]: somewhere around that
]
;W[pc]C[Zygen [6k\]: hm
BGAadmin [-\]: game resumed
Zygen [6k\]: looks like the wrong direction, but what do I know. ^_^
Warfreak2 [2d\]: looks right to me
]
;B[qd]
;W[qe]
;B[re]
;W[rf]
;B[pe]
;W[qf]
;B[pb]
;W[ob]
;B[qb]C[MatchFree [-\]: normally you want to block on the wide side, because that side will have more potential
nbnf05 [1k\]: why do they use so much time to play a "classic" joseki ?
Zygen [6k\]: but b can k18
Warfreak2 [2d\]: because they are choosing moves at each stage
simpkin [6k\]: deciding whether or not to deviate at any point
MatchFree [-\]: and there are more stones around
Warfreak2 [2d\]: it is not joseki, btw
MatchFree [-\]: so maybe something is possible
simpkin [6k\]: or rather, deciding not to :)
Warfreak2 [2d\]: joseki gives even result for both players ;-P
nbnf05 [1k\]: ^^
Veritas13 [8k\]: how much time left?
Trumelunki [4d\]: Cannoy play 'joseki' when there is so many stones already around
nbnf05 [1k\]: however they did it trume
Warfreak2 [2d\]: no they didn't
Warfreak2 [2d\]: they played the most sensible move at each point
Trumelunki [4d\]: No, they played a sequence that looks the same
Trumelunki [4d\]: But reasoning is totally different
wysek [-\]: might not be joseki in this case :)
]
;W[oc]
;B[rd]C[OneManShow [2k\]: o12?
mafutrct [-\]: r7 ?
Moondawn [2d\]: game is over?
Saimon [2k\]: q3?
Muttley [1k\]: R6 white needs?
Moondawn [2d\]: I dont see how white can win this
BGAadmin [-\]: Bei left the room
mafutrct [-\]: time left?
BGAadmin [-\]: Bei returns
Muttley [1k\]: w is behind, for sure ?
fiveohm [8k\]: escaped?
Moondawn [2d\]: yes
]
;W[ml]C[Zygen [6k\]: Escaped Ace Ventura style through the bathroom
Zygen [6k\]: o12 for black now?
OneManShow [2k\]: totally overplay?
]
;B[nl]
;W[mk]C[givusaqiki [5k\]: is W working towards L6?
zazie [-\]: looks like he hopes
BGAadmin [-\]: time: Bei has 2hrs24mins left, Alex:20mins left
ShaleStone [5k\]: bei's yose is going to be verry good
Warfreak2 [2d\]: heh
]
;B[nk]
;W[nj]
;B[lj]
;W[nm]
;B[ol]C[Havoc [4k\]: empty triangle?
Moondawn [2d\]: its not empty
maproomad [-\]: p9 looks empty to me
TeeSushi [1d\]: yeah
Moondawn [2d\]: you have to read ahead! then you will see its not empty
Havoc [4k\]: o... k
Cassis0 [1d\]: just q7 and wall
koyna [9k\]: q7 doesn't work
Cassis0 [1d\]: * wall *
Warfreak2 [2d\]: q7 does work... just it doesn't capture the black stones
BGAadmin [-\]: Bei leaves room
Moondawn [2d\]: again
Moondawn [2d\]: did he eat some bad food?
Warfreak2 [2d\]: WHAT COLOUR IS THE CLOCK
Warfreak2 [2d\]: ;-P
BGAadmin [-\]: Bei returns
Havoc [4k\]: that was quick!
Moondawn [2d\]: he went outside to ask a pro for advice
Warfreak2 [2d\]: he is getting help from a supercomputer
koyna [9k\]: he probably just had to sneeze
Cassis0 [1d\]: how much time left for both? 
]
;W[om]
;B[pl]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Bei has 2hr30mins left, Alex has 9 mins left
]
;W[ql]C[XiaXia [2d\]: lol
]
;B[pm]
;W[pn]
;B[qm]
;W[qn]C[There: please finished the game
There: the white has no points
]
;B[qk]C[cring [11k\]: no theres about like 10 int he e6 area
Warfreak2 [2d\]: more like 3
cring [11k\]: well maybe 5
TeeSushi [1d\]: There stop trolling
There: please let the game be over.
cring [11k\]: go watch a different game
fiveohm [8k\]: I think black dies
Warfreak2 [2d\]: you would
Zygen [6k\]: er, how does black die?
Warfreak2 [2d\]: by playing an 8k move i expect ;)
fiveohm [8k\]: That too..
Warfreak2 [2d\]: spot the ladder
fiveohm [8k\]: s8, then what?
XiaXia [2d\]: b used 30min w 3h lol
dantesxx [6k\]: alex is taking a lot of time again xD
Warfreak2 [2d\]: q10 is pretty easy, fiveohm
Warfreak2 [2d\]: but b might have better
givusaqiki [5k\]: much better :-)
Warfreak2 [2d\]: in fact s7 works
givusaqiki [5k\]: s8 q10 s7
]
;W[mn]C[cring [11k\]: well that was unexpected
cring [11k\]: o.O
fiveohm [8k\]: q10, and black dies..
XiaXia [2d\]: ?
hedkandi05 [9k\]: ??
Havoc [4k\]: ???
XiaXia [2d\]: ????
BGAadmin [-\]: Alex leaves room
Havoc [4k\]: poor guy...
XiaXia [2d\]: how long byoyomi? 
BGAadmin [-\]: 10 mins 10 stones
Warfreak2 [2d\]: probably 25 moves in 3 minutes
Warfreak2 [2d\]: oh
]
;B[rl]C[Warfreak2 [2d\]: that is not very fast
Warfreak2 [2d\]: i could play the whole game in that
BGAadmin [-\]: Alex returns
simpkin [6k\]: it's not what you'd call punitive overtime designed to make the game over so the next round can begin, no
Warfreak2 [2d\]: overtime, in my mind, is there to play endgame in
Warfreak2 [2d\]: and not a very careful endgame either
Warfreak2 [2d\]: if you actually use all three hours, you had better be far enough ahead that you don't need a precise endgame to win
Zygen [6k\]: Bei Ge agrees, I'm sure
simpkin [6k\]: not with this kind of overtime, though - it's slow enough to play sensibly in
Warfreak2 [2d\]: exactly
Warfreak2 [2d\]: i think we should make the british championship match a 10-second blitz ;)
Warfreak2 [2d\]: absolute time!
Zygen [6k\]: haha
simpkin [6k\]: you just want Will Brooks to win :)
Zygen [6k\]: 0+1x10
Warfreak2 [2d\]: no, 0:10 + 0
Zygen [6k\]: Heh =P
loosy [3k\]: ^^
dantesxx [6k\]: SIMPKIN!
dantesxx [6k\]: :D
dantesxx [6k\]: *hugs tightly*
simpkin [6k\]: hello, dante
dantesxx [6k\]: haven't seen you in ages
Warfreak2 [2d\]: will brooks would rather 0+1x0:03
dantesxx [6k\]: and yes, we all want Will to win ;)
Zygen [6k\]: hm, time to get some coffee
ShaleStone [5k\]: i think british championship 10 sec blitz full handicap
Warfreak2 [2d\]: or 2 moves in 2 seconds
dantesxx [6k\]: lol warfreak
zazie [-\]: do we all really want ?
dantesxx [6k\]: will is really :)
Warfreak2 [2d\]: but why, simpkin, would i want will brooks to win
Warfreak2 [2d\]: i want me to win.
dantesxx [6k\]: I want Will to win :)
Musician [10k\]: is there a live broadcast for this game?
Warfreak2 [2d\]: and i want to do it by playing five in a row fuseki
ShaleStone [5k\]: i want me to win - im bga 8kyu ;-p full handicap would be awsome
BGAadmin [-\]: Alex into Byoyomi
dantesxx [6k\]: lol
simpkin [6k\]: Musician - this is the live broadcast. Not as far as I know if you mean video or something
Warfreak2 [2d\]: at move 103
Musician [10k\]: yeah video wise
Warfreak2 [2d\]: there is no video
Musician [10k\]: ahh ic
Warfreak2 [2d\]: but you can ask bgaadmin what colour the clocks are if you really want to know
Warfreak2 [2d\]: at least, javaness can
fiveohm [8k\]: still can't see why white didn't play s8 
Musician [10k\]: hahaha
Warfreak2 [2d\]: s8 s7 then what
Fleisch [9k\]: What colour are the clocks BGAadmin?
Havoc [4k\]: s9?
Warfreak2 [2d\]: r10
givusaqiki [5k\]: then s6
]
;W[np]C[givusaqiki [5k\]: ok nvm
Warfreak2 [2d\]: sorry, r10 at n7
GrandYan [-\]: S6 actually works...
Warfreak2 [2d\]: i am hung over ;)
OneManShow [2k\]: b would have n7 and captured n8
]
;B[oh]C[OneManShow [2k\]: if w s8
]
;W[of]C[fiveohm [8k\]: I see
Havoc [4k\]: but that is if w had less libs than b...
OneManShow [2k\]: didn't he?
Chaudiere [7k?\]: shouldn't white resign?
Havoc [4k\]: i think it was very close
Warfreak2 [2d\]: b not got a LOT of points
sfrex [1k\]: b is much bette rba
FlameDragn [2d\]: whtie has hope
sfrex [1k\]: better
Havoc [4k\]: wat bout q4 can w do anything?
Warfreak2 [2d\]: w has few points but b not so many more
Warfreak2 [2d\]: w can kill q4, almost certainly
Warfreak2 [2d\]: but it's b's turn
ASIRA [9k\]: what does BGA stands for?
Warfreak2 [2d\]: british go association
ASIRA [9k\]: o thx, i thought  game boy-advanced^^
ShaleStone [5k\]: rofl
]
;B[qq]
;W[ro]C[simpkin [6k\]: not quite :)
]
;B[nr]C[Musician [10k\]: i missed the earlier part of the game, i heard black's got much more time than white, which moves did white use all his tiem on?
iceworld12 [7k\]: p3?
Warfreak2 [2d\]: all of them
]
;W[oq]
;B[or]C[Musician [10k\]: oh ic
iceworld12 [7k\]: q3
]
;W[pq]
;B[pr]
;W[qp]C[iceworld12 [7k\]: r4
trantran07 [5k\]: Small
noSys [4k?\]: but making live
]
;B[rp]C[Yoran84 [12k\]: what do the clocks say, admin?
]
;W[qo]C[Intake [2d\]: w is gonna get graped in the late middlegame/endgame
]
;B[rq]C[FlameDragn [2d\]: n4 big for black
FlameDragn [2d\]: right?
BGAadmin [-\]: Alex has 3 mins of his first overtime periond left. White has used 45 mins
KoReNJe [3d\]: n4 not so big
BGAadmin [-\]: Sorry, black hsa used ...
Yoran84 [12k\]: thanks
newpoo [1k\]: w k4
]
;W[nh]C[FlameDragn [2d\]: n4 n5 n3 o5 k4 
Havoc [4k\]: hows k 18 for b tho?
FlameDragn [2d\]: doesnt that get black the whole siide though?
]
;B[lm]
;W[mm]C[ods [1d\]: only if w is stupid enough to answer at N5
KoReNJe [3d\]: ??
FlameDragn [2d\]: if mot, then black can get p4 right?
FlameDragn [2d\]: not*
ods [1d\]: w will answer at o5 though?
FlameDragn [2d\]: then 03 in sente
FlameDragn [2d\]: o3
]
;B[ni]C[ods [1d\]: or even w p4
ods [1d\]: maybe you're right
]
;W[ph]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Alex enters his 2nd period of byoyomi
FlameDragn [2d\]: i am right
FlameDragn [2d\]: =\]
]
;B[pj]
;W[oi]
;B[mp]C[FlameDragn [2d\]: aha!
ods [1d\]: lol
FlameDragn [2d\]: =\]
mandark [3d\]: why Q12? now p9 is sente
dantesxx [6k\]: alex will probably lose on time
simpkin [6k\]: oh, I don't think so
dantesxx [6k\]: i hope not for him :)
simpkin [6k\]: he's using his time quite deliberately
dantesxx [6k\]: jenny, where have you been lately anyway? :)
simpkin [6k\]: I can't be bothered with KGS most of the time, that's all :)
dmg [?\]: What are the time settings?
BGAadmin [-\]: Bei leaves room
patrickb [2k?\]: What's the score in the series?
dantesxx [6k\]: jenny: too bad :( it's fun here ^^
BGAadmin [-\]: Bei returns
]
;W[mo]C[Havoc [4k\]: alex 1 bei 2
Havoc [4k\]: 5 game series
dantesxx [6k\]: alex won that one by luck
dantesxx [6k\]: if alex loses now it's over
patrickb [2k?\]: I understand how a 5 game series works :)
]
;B[lp]
;W[op]
;B[ii]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: it wasnt by luck
]
;W[iq]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: bei made a mistake in the joseki
dantesxx [6k\]: first game?
JAK [8k\]: It's lucky when someone of Bei's level makes mistakes like that
simpkin [6k\]: joseki?!
dantesxx [6k\]: alex won because of bei's mistake in yose
]
;B[hp]C[FlameDragn [2d\]: o yeah, i remember that game
Source [3d?\]: granted, it was still a close game at that time
patrickb [2k?\]: next time you play a mistake-free game, you can say that you won by something other than luck, then, dantesxx
ekku [?\]: if punishing for mistakes is luck, there aren't any other kinds of victories than lucky in go
JAK [8k\]: Other than black winning handicap games, surely?
]
;W[jo]C[dantesxx [6k\]: o-o
]
;B[gn]C[dantesxx [6k\]: why the personal attacks?
simpkin [6k\]: that's lucky 'cos black's lucky the handicap was too high, Jonny :)
dantesxx [6k\]: if bei hadn't made that mistake he'd have won, simple as that, everyone knew that
patrickb [2k?\]: yes, but that's not the same thing as luck
]
;W[gm]
;B[fn]C[FlameDragn [2d\]: ooooo
FlameDragn [2d\]: tryin 2 kill the group
FlameDragn [2d\]: wow
]
;W[im]C[OneManShow [2k\]: w dead?
]
;B[hl]
;W[hm]C[Scarabee [1d\]: black will win
dantesxx [6k\]: patrickb: it was luck for alex
dantesxx [6k\]: he was lucky bei made that mistake
patrickb [2k?\]: so it's luck for me any time my opponent makes a mistake that I exploit
]
;B[gh]C[patrickb [2k?\]: so all go games are won by luck
dantesxx [6k\]: of course
dantesxx [6k\]: :
dantesxx [6k\]: :)
dantesxx [6k\]: yea
dantesxx [6k\]: they are
dantesxx [6k\]: ;)
patrickb [2k?\]: okay, we'll just start flipping coins in the future instead of playing go, then
dantesxx [6k\]: ok :D
DoctorLove [2k\]: SE gone haywire
FlameDragn [2d\]: =D
isaka [-\]: the more you practice, the luckier you get, though
hslewis [5k\]: however it is not luck to exploit the lucky mistake
noSys [4k?\]: and it was luck for Bei to win the two other games cause of the mistakes of Alex
]
;W[kq]C[dantesxx [6k\]: i don't know, i only watched the first game attentively
Warfreak2 [2d\]: of course go is about luck
Warfreak2 [2d\]: the number of points worth of mistakes you make per game is a random variable
]
;B[ir]C[Warfreak2 [2d\]: its mean is a measure of your rank ;)
]
;W[jr]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Alex enters his third overtime period
oonicks [7k\]: that is also true
ShaleStone [5k\]: ko?
]
;B[ip]
;W[jp]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: hmmm
]
;B[jq]C[JeansebL [2k\]: no
oonicks [7k\]: so its not random, but i think stones can have a similar to random influence
ShaleStone [5k\]: white lives
ShaleStone [5k\]: connect
iceworld12 [7k\]: l4
ShaleStone [5k\]: or not
ShaleStone [5k\]: it is a ko
XSpanier [3k\]: stil not connected
OneManShow [2k\]: w has only one eye
isaka [-\]: L6 connects
oonicks [7k\]: like n16 influence on n5
bourbaki [1k\]: how does l6 connect?
oonicks [7k\]: i think its positive but it is similar to random
ShaleStone [5k\]: l6 is a good move perhaps
isaka [-\]: hm, yes, gets cut @ K6 :(
XSpanier [3k\]: l6 m4 m6 k6 not connected
asue [1d\]: white can play L6 for living
bourbaki [1k\]: really?
ShaleStone [5k\]: yup
Warfreak2 [2d\]: k6 is cleaner
hslewis [5k\]: doesn't work
ShaleStone [5k\]: then white can n4
OneManShow [2k\]: b h5 then j6 false eye
bourbaki [1k\]: doesn't the most obvious possible move defeat l6?
bourbaki [1k\]: still ko i admit
bourbaki [1k\]: but not alive...
ShaleStone [5k\]: l6
]
;W[bf]C[patrickb [2k?\]: ?
ShaleStone [5k\]: ohhhhh.... that the
Jorga [4k\]: omg
ShaleStone [5k\]: black connects
Warfreak2 [2d\]: bourbaki
Warfreak2 [2d\]: l6 k6 m5 l4 n3 
dantesxx [6k\]: weird
ShaleStone [5k\]: no garuntee he will go k6
]
;B[jn]C[bourbaki [1k\]: l6 k6 l4 m5 n3 m3 m2 m6 n2 n1?
]
;W[iq]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: hmmm
Warfreak2 [2d\]: why would w l4
Warfreak2 [2d\]: instead of m5
ShaleStone [5k\]: even if white wins ko can he win
ShaleStone [5k\]: now l6 is gone
Gennaro [1k\]: f7 threat
Warfreak2 [2d\]: indeed
ShaleStone [5k\]: ok if black h2s white will connect
ShaleStone [5k\]: or
ShaleStone [5k\]: m2
dantesxx [6k\]: hmm
Gennaro [1k\]: or h5
dantesxx [6k\]: it's tricky
asue [1d\]: black L2
dantesxx [6k\]: o-o
dantesxx [6k\]: l2 ?
dantesxx [6k\]: :s
]
;B[ho]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: lol
]
;W[in]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: ko fight
]
;B[jq]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: white connect
ShaleStone [5k\]: l5
ShaleStone [5k\]: l5
XSpanier [3k\]: this is just dead
ShaleStone [5k\]: no
Sanjy [5k\]: l5 are you sure? ^^
ShaleStone [5k\]: yes
XSpanier [3k\]: there is already a stone o.o
ficelle [?\]: sure sure ?
Warfreak2 [2d\]: l5 is a good move for w
Warfreak2 [2d\]: tesuji
Sanjy [5k\]: lol!
ShaleStone [5k\]: see
Sanjy [5k\]: l5 WAS a good move
ShaleStone [5k\]: you guys know nothing ;-p
ShaleStone [5k\]: it still is
isaka [-\]: pres >>, shalestone
Warfreak2 [2d\]: very good move, shalestone
OmegaKill [1d\]: how much time?
ChaosMatze [4k\]: isnt at l5 a black stone?^^
Warfreak2 [2d\]: i particularly like the L5 tesuji
ShaleStone [5k\]: L5
Warfreak2 [2d\]: i play it often
ShaleStone [5k\]: its like an elbow in the face
Gennaro [1k\]: sharonstone cant see
patrickb [2k?\]: that's why it's a tesuji :)
loosy [3k\]: ??
ChaosMatze [4k\]: lol
XSpanier [3k\]: b+14.5
ShaleStone [5k\]: is that like my female conterpart - sharonstone
ChaosMatze [4k\]: b+kill the withe group
isaka [-\]: hm, w should have played L6 :)
ShaleStone [5k\]: he still can
]
;W[an]C[OneManShow [2k\]: l6 l7
ShaleStone [5k\]: rofl
Warfreak2 [2d\]: should have played a5
Warfreak2 [2d\]: more threats
]
;B[ao]
;W[iq]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: n2
ShaleStone [5k\]: after l7
Sanjy [5k\]: a6 is good too
Sanjy [5k\]: a1
Warfreak2 [2d\]: n2 m2
dangodan [3d\]: a5 dosnt give more kothreats
Warfreak2 [2d\]: one more
Sanjy [5k\]: after a6  white has a1 
Sanjy [5k\]: it makes 3 ko threath
Warfreak2 [2d\]: a5 a6 a7 a5 a1 b1 c1 d1 
Warfreak2 [2d\]: or
Warfreak2 [2d\]: a6 a5 a1 b1 c1 d1 
ShaleStone [5k\]: BGA whats the time on both
dangodan [3d\]: c1 will not work after a5
Warfreak2 [2d\]: it threatens to make a living group in ko
]
;B[fb]
;W[eb]C[Warfreak2 [2d\]: c1 tenukia1 b7 a3 a8 b4 
ShaleStone [5k\]: mmmmmmm
]
;B[jq]
;W[kn]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: lol
Warfreak2 [2d\]: a ko b can't win because he is in atari :P
dantesxx [6k\]: lol
ShaleStone [5k\]: can he pull this off
ShaleStone [5k\]: he goes for ladder
]
;B[km]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: i think
]
;W[iq]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: n3
ShaleStone [5k\]: n3
ShaleStone [5k\]: nooo
ShaleStone [5k\]: -crys-
]
;B[hb]C[Hylebos [7k\]: Its okay.  Nobody ever plays the moves I suggest.
Hylebos [7k\]: But then again I'm 7k.
Hylebos [7k\]: =(
Hendrix [1d\]: I wonder if the score estimator is correct? =)
]
;W[jb]C[Jigo [3k?\]: SE tilts
isaka [-\]: SE is never wrong
Sanjy [5k\]: lol
ShaleStone [5k\]: the se must be some kind of 9dan
RickS [4k\]: looks correct =P
Warfreak2 [2d\]: SE always wins
Warfreak2 [2d\]: SE the best
Hendrix [1d\]: =)
Hylebos [7k\]: SE is a 9d in a box.
Source [3d?\]: b m2
tibul [6k\]: SE is go god
]
;B[db]C[ekku [?\]: SE is second only to Chuck Norris
Warfreak2 [2d\]: i like how white has no points in top left
Warfreak2 [2d\]: not even two points for eyes
Hylebos [7k\]: F19?
BAZI [8k?\]: " pifpaf2: SE is computer score. it is the score if both players play perfectly."
Warfreak2 [2d\]: f19 e17 g18 e16
SMB64 [8k\]: D17
ShaleStone [5k\]: this was a good move...
Source [3d?\]: rather, b would be happy to have another ko going
Princy [1d\]: ya
Hylebos [7k\]: Ah yes.
ShaleStone [5k\]: yes d17 
Source [3d?\]: since he will win 1
Hylebos [7k\]: Thank you for pointing out why my move is stupid warfreak2.
Hylebos [7k\]: You are very good at doing that.
Warfreak2 [2d\]: :)
BGAadmin [-\]: Alex enters his 4th overtime period
Warfreak2 [2d\]: that's because all your moves are stupid ;)
ShaleStone [5k\]: no.. not d17
BGAadmin [-\]: bei has 2 hrs left
ShaleStone [5k\]: -.-
Hylebos [7k\]: Yeah =\\
tibul [6k\]: well atleast bei has some thinking time
SMB64 [8k\]: if other than d17, w loses the corner
ShaleStone [5k\]: bei can wait till alex needs to go to the toilet then play
daladim [1d\]: how many overtime preriods are there ?
cring [11k\]: lol
Chrille [6k\]: "here, the coffee is on me"
Stormer [-\]: corner wont die so easily smb :)
Warfreak2 [2d\]: daladim, as many as necessary
ShaleStone [5k\]: rofl
Warfreak2 [2d\]: it's just canadian byo-yomi, ten stones in ten minutes
Chuky [1k\]: whats overtime period with canadian byo yomi then?
BGAadmin [-\]: as much as they want, as long as they dont play over the overtime
ShaleStone [5k\]: honinbo is 1 move per miniute i think.
ShaleStone [5k\]: after the main time
wicket [-\]: 10 stones in 10 mins is ludicrously long, even the pros only get 1 move in 1 minute
Warfreak2 [2d\]: sure, wicket
Jolinar [2k\]: now Alex will play a move saving both UL corner and h7 group
Warfreak2 [2d\]: i said that :P
tibul [6k\]: lol wicket
SMB64 [8k\]: i swear E17 or F19 are big errors ^^
wicket [-\]: :)
ShaleStone [5k\]: ah - but pros get 6hour games
ShaleStone [5k\]: lol
Warfreak2 [2d\]: 3 hours each
ShaleStone [5k\]: mmm - well in 1971 they got 6 hours each ;-p
wicket [-\]: yeah, so our overtime is longer than the pros get, even though the main time is much less
Warfreak2 [2d\]: this game is 6 hours :P
Hendrix [1d\]: d17 safe.. f19 more fun? =)
]
;W[dc]C[Hylebos [7k\]: Look... I just play on pretty points okay?  Its worked good so far for me...
]
;B[ea]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: wow - the 8kyus move
Hylebos [7k\]: And F19 was a pretty point.
Warfreak2 [2d\]: f19 doesn't work, hendrix
]
;W[cb]C[SMB64 [8k\]: yeah ! i knew it =D
]
;B[ec]C[Warfreak2 [2d\]: see the sequence i gave earlier :P
]
;W[ed]C[XSpanier [3k\]: what happened to the ko?
OneManShow [2k\]: b18 
ShaleStone [5k\]: black just ko threated
Warfreak2 [2d\]: e17 not a very large threat
]
;B[ie]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: oh...
patrickb [2k?\]: b's just decided to win withut worrying about the ko?
Warfreak2 [2d\]: don't see why not
dantesxx [6k\]: simpkin left? :(
Hylebos [7k\]: Apparently.
]
;W[je]
;B[jf]C[bourbaki [1k\]: b doesn't have one move to kill, w doesn't have one move to live
Warfreak2 [2d\]: hahah
Warfreak2 [2d\]: this move is smiling
Princy [1d\]: oh deart
Princy [1d\]: dear*
Princy [1d\]: w resigns
noSys [4k?\]: cannot white connect with m5 : m5 m6 l4 l6 n3 or m5 l4 n3 m6 m3 l6 o3 
ShaleStone [5k\]: not yey i think
ShaleStone [5k\]: yet
noSys [4k?\]: yes but if this is ok, there is no more a big ko
]
;W[kf]
;B[jg]C[Princy [1d\]: ...
noSys [4k?\]: but no more point anywherealso ;-)
ShaleStone [5k\]: push again alex
Princy [1d\]: i wonder if w counted his points...
Warfreak2 [2d\]: why
Chaudiere [7k?\]: white should really resign! it's humiliating continuing to pley...
ShaleStone [5k\]: i think he can get away with it
Chaudiere [7k?\]: play
]
;W[id]C[Warfreak2 [2d\]: bei ge winning this gets him the whole match
Warfreak2 [2d\]: and the title
bourbaki [1k\]: wow no spirit whatsoever in this room
ShaleStone [5k\]: i think alex should continue
SMB64 [8k\]: yeah
ecb [3k\]: it's amazing how we all know when 4 dans should resign
TMark [4d\]: I've gotm plenty of spirits, in this bottle next to me
Warfreak2 [2d\]: but yes, this does look more like a teaching game than a championship match, to me
tchavolo [1k\]: just depends if he works on monday
Princy [1d\]: b is up by like around 15 30 no?
]
;B[he]
;W[kg]
;B[jh]C[Jolinar [2k\]: 15 and 30 pretty much difference...
Princy [1d\]: 15-20*
Jolinar [2k\]: ah
]
;W[rh]C[Princy [1d\]: ^^
Princy [1d\]: sorry
]
;B[ri]
;W[ai]C[Stormer [-\]: w daring b to start up the ko again i guess :)
]
;B[aj]
;W[pa]
;B[sb]C[bourbaki [1k\]: the ko is in some sense not important right now
Lilltiger [1k\]: B cant win the ko
BGAadmin [-\]: Alex enters his 5th overtime period
bourbaki [1k\]: neither side has a good move to resolve the area
bourbaki [1k\]: so it's not going away
ShaleStone [5k\]: m5
Korlon [4k\]: Isn't that the wrong move?
ShaleStone [5k\]: then n3
bourbaki [1k\]: if w decides to play m5 he will play n3 straight awy
ShaleStone [5k\]: then white connects
ShaleStone [5k\]: lol
bourbaki [1k\]: point is n3 is better shape
ShaleStone [5k\]: fine how about n3 straight up
bourbaki [1k\]: as i've been arguing that is not the important part of the board right now
Alexa [2d\]: n
Stormer [-\]: i duno i beg to differ, b winning the ko is 'sente' so its 'big'
SMB64 [8k\]: w doesn't connect, it makes the ko more important...
bourbaki [1k\]: it's very big but it is not urgent because black does not have one move to kill
dantesxx [6k\]: isn't alex running out of time?
ShaleStone [5k\]: well they both are ;-p
Warfreak2 [2d\]: bei ge isn't, it's alex's turn :P
ShaleStone [5k\]: -.o 
Korlon [4k\]: How long is each byo-yomi?
Warfreak2 [2d\]: 10 stones in 10 minutes
Korlon [4k\]: Ok.
]
;W[eb]C[bourbaki [1k\]: w is doing more recounting than florida
Alenchon [6k\]: hanging chads and all
isaka [-\]: no doubt W has a cunning Plan
Source [3d?\]: kill him bei
dantesxx [6k\]: lol
ShaleStone [5k\]: noooo
Source [3d?\]: for great justice
bourbaki [1k\]: this isn't really the time for plans
ShaleStone [5k\]: go alex
bourbaki [1k\]: it is the time for countin
dantesxx [6k\]: does it involve huge turnips, isaka? ;)
ShaleStone [5k\]: throw a go stone at him
SMB64 [8k\]: it's always time for plans
isaka [-\]: hehe
Source [3d?\]: m2
BGAadmin [-\]: Bei looks at the upper left corner and shakes his head
ShaleStone [5k\]: m2 k2
]
;B[lr]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: then what
ShaleStone [5k\]: lol
Warfreak2 [2d\]: here we go
Source [3d?\]: then white loses by illegal move
SMB64 [8k\]: lol
ShaleStone [5k\]: what....
BGAadmin [-\]: alex made a "hmm" sound
Warfreak2 [2d\]: shalestone likes the "place a stone on top of another" tesuji
ShaleStone [5k\]: noooooo
patrickb [2k?\]: heh
SMB64 [8k\]: lol
]
;W[hr]C[Warfreak2 [2d\]: i must say i quite like it
]
;B[jq]C[Warfreak2 [2d\]: also "game over, you resign now"
]
;W[kp]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: well i prefer the place a tesuji onto of another tejsui
dantesxx [6k\]: o-o
ShaleStone [5k\]: lol
]
;B[iq]
;W[lo]C[patrickb [2k?\]: b: "I don't need no stinkin' ko!"
Warfreak2 [2d\]: no, he won the ko ;)
]
;B[kr]
;W[da]C[bourbaki [1k\]: perhaps w should have calculated that even if b plays calmly for the rest of the game he leads by 30
ShaleStone [5k\]: i think alex might win
Sanjy [5k\]: -_-
Chaudiere [7k?\]: no way
SMB64 [8k\]: not sure
bourbaki [1k\]: consider counting again :)
bourbaki [1k\]: black leads by around 30
SMB64 [8k\]: black wins
patrickb [2k?\]: not 30, but b seems comfortably ahead
hedkandi05 [9k\]: se likes alex
]
;B[mi]C[patrickb [2k?\]: SE is on crack
isaka [-\]: how many points for B, bourbaki ?
]
;W[mh]
;B[pi]
;W[og]
;B[ok]C[bourbaki [1k\]: i don't count that way, i pair off points
dangodan [3d\]: b +25
isaka [-\]: pfff, you use se, you mean
ShaleStone [5k\]: blacks yose is very good
]
;W[di]
;B[dh]
;W[bh]
;B[cm]
;W[dl]C[bourbaki [1k\]: s2 is saying something kind of retarded right now :)
patrickb [2k?\]: SE funny now
SMB64 [8k\]: D6
]
;B[ch]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Alex enters his 6th overtime period
bourbaki [1k\]: counting actual territories is slow and meaningless in area scoring
Cassis0 [1d\]: d6 e6
ShaleStone [5k\]: hmmm
]
;W[bg]C[Hylebos [7k\]: Black has been bribing SE again.
]
;B[oh]C[Musician [10k\]: Ahahaha
SMB64 [8k\]: lol
SMB64 [8k\]: it kills everything ^^
Sanjy [5k\]: B+20
SMB64 [8k\]: according to SE : B+143.5
]
;W[fa]C[Hylebos [7k\]: And there is no territory in the G13 area.
Hylebos [7k\]: =\\
]
;B[gb]C[Chuky [1k\]: sure f11 seki
Hylebos [7k\]: Totally.
Warfreak2 [2d\]: can't you read, hylebos
Warfreak2 [2d\]: 7k should know seki
SMB64 [8k\]: lol
Hylebos [7k\]: But I don't =(
Warfreak2 [2d\]: :P
Hylebos [7k\]: I only managed it once.
Hylebos [7k\]: And it was an accident.
ShaleStone [5k\]: lol
SMB64 [8k\]: lol
ShaleStone [5k\]: why - were you meaning to kill
]
;W[lh]
;B[bm]C[Hylebos [7k\]: It was back when I was a mid ddk, where a common practice is to try and get dead stones to live.
ShaleStone [5k\]: ;o
]
;W[dn]C[bourbaki [1k\]: under the assumption w gets his way in the endgame b wins by about 30
bourbaki [1k\]: for the benefit of the skeptics
]
;B[qa]
;W[oa]C[Hylebos [7k\]: I was just playing around in someones territorry, and I got seki.
Warfreak2 [2d\]: hylebos, everyone does that
bourbaki [1k\]: it's ~ 100 to 70
Lukka [2d\]: b+12
Warfreak2 [2d\]: it is called sabaki
]
;B[bi]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: d14
leslielau [3k\]: B's ahead by a lot
Hylebos [7k\]: Do people commonly do it at the end of the game?
Hylebos [7k\]: When there is no obvious hope of living?
bourbaki [1k\]: yes very commonly
yithril [2d\]: theres quite a strength difference between alex and bei
Trumelunki [4d\]: No
bourbaki [1k\]: all the goddamn time
Warfreak2 [2d\]: sure, seeing as creating a living group in enemy territory is the smallest move on the board
ShaleStone [5k\]: sometimes if your deprite
ShaleStone [5k\]: desprate
Hylebos [7k\]: ...
Hylebos [7k\]: Right...
BAZI [8k?\]: I thought sabaki was just being light and awesome and irritating the opponent
bourbaki [1k\]: trumelunki hasn't played a 5k - player in a long time i suspect
yithril [2d\]: irritation is a key factpr
Warfreak2 [2d\]: sabaki means getting a reasonable result in a place your opponent is very strong
BAZI [8k?\]: ah
Warfreak2 [2d\]: playing light is the process by which you do it :P
dangodan [3d\]: 3 fases normal play -> damefilling -> sabaki
Warfreak2 [2d\]: also lots of contacting
Warfreak2 [2d\]: also, hi BAZI, were you at the societies' fair?
BAZI [8k?\]: I was, I'm going to the squash tomorrow
Warfreak2 [2d\]: fantastic
ShaleStone [5k\]: what uni
BAZI [8k?\]: cambridge
]
;W[oi]
;B[ib]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: -.o -grumbles- 
Warfreak2 [2d\]: i am excited
Warfreak2 [2d\]: i hope there will be a lot of people
ShaleStone [5k\]: i hear cambridge is full of nerds
BAZI [8k?\]: I somehow convinced my friend's sister to go as well
Warfreak2 [2d\]: half-full... or if you are an optimist, half-empty
ods [1d\]: really? I've never ever heard that said before
Vic1 [?\]: what a nerdish thing to say
dantesxx [6k\]: i might be going to study for a few months in the uk in 2 years :)
ShaleStone [5k\]: well cambridge dose have the biggest go club
]
;W[ja]C[Warfreak2 [2d\]: the other half are... pffft... arts students
ods [1d\]: I heard that cambridge is the true East Anglian ghetto
isaka [-\]: people saying that are just jealous, ShaleStone
dantesxx [6k\]: i am in between nerd & art student XD
]
;B[ic]
;W[jc]C[SMB64 [8k\]: lol
]
;B[il]
;W[ki]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: hmmm - not really 
]
;B[ah]
;W[ji]C[dantesxx [6k\]: i am jealous of people studying at cambridge or oxford :p
dantesxx [6k\]: i study at the uni of ghent :) best uni in belgium
ASIRA [9k\]: L9?
Warfreak2 [2d\]: belgium is a dirty word
BGAadmin [-\]: alex enters his 7th overtime period
]
;B[ih]C[dantesxx [6k\]: lol warfreak
ShaleStone [5k\]: lol
SMB64 [8k\]: i have a certificate of cambridge althought i'm also a belgian ^^
Warfreak2 [2d\]: you're a certified cambridge?
ShaleStone [5k\]: somones been reading hitchinkers guide
Warfreak2 [2d\]: wow
Warfreak2 [2d\]: shalestone, who hasn't
ShaleStone [5k\]: no nerds ;-d
Zygen [6k\]: I think I'm probably one of the only go players in New Mexico, and I left, so ha =P
SMB64 [8k\]: well, in fact it's not as if i studied there ^^
ShaleStone [5k\]: non-
dantesxx [6k\]: smb64 is joking :)
SMB64 [8k\]: no
SMB64 [8k\]: i can show it to you, dantesxx ^^
dantesxx [6k\]: did you buy it online, then?
ShaleStone [5k\]: im shure theres a mexican pro
ShaleStone [5k\]: i can see him wearing a pancho and sombrero to all his matches
SMB64 [8k\]: nope, i earned it by some exam done with the project tiny enterprises
GrandYan [-\]: Pro boxer, sure...
Zygen [6k\]: Are you serious, shalestone =P  Or are you just joking about how noone knows US geography =P
ShaleStone [5k\]: well he'd kick any go players ass then ;-p
A1Steak [2d?\]: is this live broadcast?
Warfreak2 [2d\]: yes
XSpanier [3k\]: b+30
dantesxx [6k\]: smb64 : O_O
Warfreak2 [2d\]: but it is being played backwards
dantesxx [6k\]: huH?
Warfreak2 [2d\]: time goes in reverse in england
A1Steak [2d?\]: huh?
Rienheart [-\]: :(
BAZI [8k?\]: yeah, we go to bed at 7am
mego [2d\]: so why is white still playing...?
ShaleStone [5k\]: l8
]
;W[am]C[dantesxx [6k\]: i'm studying Dutch & English atm :D It rocks
]
;B[al]C[Warfreak2 [2d\]: too true, BAZI ;)
]
;W[fo]C[BAZI [8k?\]: :p
]
;B[go]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: L8
HoangVu [-\]: black leading over 20 points
dantesxx [6k\]: I even learn Anglo-saxon history :D
HoangVu [-\]: at least when i count
bourbaki [1k\]: w had better watch his liberties there...
dantesxx [6k\]: Man, Henry VIII sucked
hslewis [5k\]: that's ok Zygen I moved there the Universe balances
bourbaki [1k\]: now g9 is black's sente
SMB64 [8k\]: dantesxx, i scan it and i send it to you ^^
ShaleStone [5k\]: dante - are you catholic then
Zygen [6k\]: Well I'm going back when my exchange is over, so there might be *gasp* two players there.
HoangVu [-\]: O 3 also sente
Warfreak2 [2d\]: that's enough for a game!
HoangVu [-\]: or wait it's not
HoangVu [-\]: nvm
HoangVu [-\]: nvm me
hslewis [5k\]: opposite sides of State. no doubt
HoangVu [-\]: :D
Zygen [6k\]: Socorro for me =P
Warfreak2 [2d\]: w needs another move inside after outside libs are filled
hslewis [5k\]: silver city
HoangVu [-\]: y
dantesxx [6k\]: smb64: cool
dantesxx [6k\]: shalestone: huh?
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;W[kl]C[Zygen [6k\]: Far enough away =P
dantesxx [6k\]: no i'm not, but Henry III was still an ass
]
;B[kk]C[hslewis [5k\]: yep
dantesxx [6k\]: :P
]
;W[ll]
;B[jl]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: -.- 
SMB64 [8k\]: lol
dantesxx [6k\]: lol
A1Steak [2d?\]: w kinda losing
XSpanier [3k\]: y is se so dumb???
XiaXia [2d\]: its not
ecb [3k\]: You have to be very dumb to get to challenge for the British title
HoangVu [-\]: black leading
ecb [3k\]: I wish I was that dumb
HoangVu [-\]: over 20 points
HoangVu [-\]: I've counted ;p
JAK [8k\]: Am I dumb enough?
Warfreak2 [2d\]: SE is stronger than anyone here
Warfreak2 [2d\]: including bei ge
SMB64 [8k\]: lol
A1Steak [2d?\]: se is god
pasky [-\]: SE has deep insight to the game of go, yes
pasky [-\]: it sees a sequence we don't
dantesxx [6k\]: lol
HoangVu [-\]: you're saying that old little bot read better than me -.- ? :P
hslewis [5k\]: SE can't handle probibilities & good players stay loose
]
;W[df]C[Warfreak2 [2d\]: of course
Warfreak2 [2d\]: SE solved go long ago
pasky [-\]: hslewis: thank you for your legible sentence
BAZI [8k?\]: SE's other name is kami no itte
]
;B[cf]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: m3
ShaleStone [5k\]: 03
ecb [3k\]: JAK: You don't want me to answer that ;)
hslewis [5k\]: :P
nathaniel2 [7k\]: were you guys referring to lee sedol?
]
;W[jj]
;B[ij]C[pasky [-\]: as "SE"?
Warfreak2 [2d\]: more like lee SEdol
pasky [-\]: yes, totally
nathaniel2 [7k\]: whats his status now?
HoangVu [-\]: bgaadmin can u tell me if alex does something frustrating like ripping his hair or something ;P ?
pasky [-\]: nathaniel: whitephobic
]
;W[mq]
;B[lq]C[A1Steak [2d?\]: lee sedol won the world oza?
]
;W[nq]
;B[mr]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: lol
ShaleStone [5k\]: wow
Warfreak2 [2d\]: lee sedol won the internet
ShaleStone [5k\]: t7
Gennaro [1k\]: p5 kills w?
Warfreak2 [2d\]: p5 o5 
nathaniel2 [7k\]: not quite
]
;W[si]C[pasky [-\]: but you must be close
]
;B[sj]
;W[sh]C[HoangVu [-\]: nah but after all outside liberties
Warfreak2 [2d\]: but without outside liberties it kills
BGAadmin [-\]: alex enters his 8th overtime period
pasky [-\]: how many periods there are?
Warfreak2 [2d\]: as many as necessary
SMB64 [8k\]: illimited
isaka [-\]: 10
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;B[sf]C[Warfreak2 [2d\]: it is canadian byoyomi
Warfreak2 [2d\]: 10 moves in 10 seconds
SMB64 [8k\]: mdr
pasky [-\]: aha
pasky [-\]: *wishes time controls would be editable too*
trumpet [2k\]: thats quite fast :)
SMB64 [8k\]: ultra blitz ^^
Warfreak2 [2d\]: 10 minutes sorry
Warfreak2 [2d\]: 10 seconds would be more fun
A1Steak [2d?\]: i guess b just won by time
pasky [-\]: ah, boring :)
dantesxx [6k\]: lol
dantesxx [6k\]: i wish w won
Warfreak2 [2d\]: they take so long over endgame
Warfreak2 [2d\]: when b is so far ahead
dantesxx [6k\]: so there'd be a 5th game
HoangVu [-\]: well maybe it's rude to resign
HoangVu [-\]: :p
Warfreak2 [2d\]: rude not to
SMB64 [8k\]: yeah but SE decided white loses ^^
dantesxx [6k\]: warfreak2: because alex is thinking desperately to find a way to win?
Warfreak2 [2d\]: you mean a way SE didn't see
HoangVu [-\]: you actually listen to that crap SMB ? ;p white is NOT losing by over 100 points
Warfreak2 [2d\]: unlikely!
SMB64 [8k\]: i know ^^
Warfreak2 [2d\]: SE is right, hoangvu
Warfreak2 [2d\]: read harder
HoangVu [-\]: Lol
pasky [-\]: B ahead by ~ 16 pt?
SMB64 [8k\]: i'm 8k, i can estimate a little by myself ^^
HoangVu [-\]: last time I counted over 20 points
XY0908 [-\]: it's more than 20 poits of difference?
tchavolo [1k\]: se tired counting , asking for resignation too
Litost [7k\]: I've counted around 14.5
ASIRA [9k\]: how big is komi?
XY0908 [-\]: I would say 21.5...
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;W[gk]C[HoangVu [-\]: and oh yeah add 3 points from captures
]
;B[gj]C[HoangVu [-\]: And komi to white
HoangVu [-\]: that i haven't counted
HoangVu [-\]: XD
dantesxx [6k\]: lol
dantesxx [6k\]: so w + 25 ?
dantesxx [6k\]: +/-
HoangVu [-\]: well
HoangVu [-\]: black leading
HoangVu [-\]: not white
HoangVu [-\]: *cough*
Genotive [18k\]: white seems to die alot
Snakeman [13k\]: black + 148.5
ShaleStone [5k\]: lol
XY0908 [-\]: the teacher JeffChang is so quiet ;-)
HoangVu [-\]: ...
HoangVu [-\]: Lol
pasky [-\]: ah, i count 22.5 now, yeah
Warfreak2 [2d\]: snakeman, that's good counting
ShaleStone [5k\]: -.- trust an 18kyu to say that
schwing [3k\]: genotive: w should be alive
Snakeman [13k\]: well i use se
HoangVu [-\]: "should" :p
HoangVu [-\]: XD
Genotive [18k\]: yah should be
Genotive [18k\]: lol
dantesxx [6k\]: I guess Jeff is busy :)
schwing [3k\]: yeah...has to play there now
Warfreak2 [2d\]: jeff is laughing at the moves
XY0908 [-\]: Maybe I should be quiet too then I would be better at play...
Warfreak2 [2d\]: most likely :D
JAK [8k\]: White neds to defend at O5 later, right?
]
;W[sg]
;B[se]C[JAK [8k\]: *needs
HoangVu [-\]: ... he's chatting with his chinese friends on skyp
HoangVu [-\]: skype
]
;W[qh]C[larske [4k\]: b e6
There: e6, f7, 
]
;B[dm]C[There: e6
schwing [3k\]: omg
Greystash [1d\]: white looking for a place to resign
dantesxx [6k\]: lol
Warfreak2 [2d\]: hahahahahaha
ShaleStone [5k\]: loses sente
pasky [-\]: ?
dantesxx [6k\]: w is fucked now
There: e6,f7
Genotive [18k\]: killing of white started
HoangVu [-\]: resign lol
There: j5
trumpet [2k\]: hehe
daladim [1d\]: lol
Zygen [6k\]: fatty resign
dantesxx [6k\]: resign definitely
ShaleStone [5k\]: dante - language
ShaleStone [5k\]: white is fine
HoangVu [-\]: here comes the long awaited resignation
HoangVu [-\]: ;P
Genotive [18k\]: lol
Zygen [6k\]: w is not fine
Zygen [6k\]: =P
michiel2 [1d\]: white is fine?
michiel2 [1d\]: lol
HoangVu [-\]: not fine
dantesxx [6k\]: xD
ShaleStone [5k\]: -.o
pasky [-\]: fine corpse
Genotive [18k\]: white alot is dead
Warfreak2 [2d\]: two of four of the british championship games this year have giant yose mistakes
GrandYan [-\]: White is fine.
Warfreak2 [2d\]: britain is STRONG.
XY0908 [-\]: silly misread...
HoangVu [-\]: xD
BGAadmin [-\]: B+R
JAK [8k\]: Two of the Four
Genotive [18k\]: yay!
HoangVu [-\]: silly mistake
MacNala [11k\]: W plays P6 and solves problem
dantesxx [6k\]: Poor Alex :(
Zygen [6k\]: He just did it to resign
GrandYan [-\]: Thank you, BGAAdmin.
hslewis [5k\]: l5 looks like big death
ecb [3k\]: congratulations to Bei!
Snakeman [13k\]: will there be another game ?
ecb [3k\]: Thanks for relating, BGAAdmin
Zygen [6k\]: Because he knew he was so far behind
ecb [3k\]: er, relaying
HoangVu [-\]: congratulate bei ge for us
HoangVu [-\]: ;P
There: t6, s6
trumpet [2k\]: congrats yeah
tchavolo [1k\]: now he can tell ei ge won by luck:)
dantesxx [6k\]: Snakeman: No new game, Alex lost the title match
Genotive [18k\]: even if he did put p6 he still lose alot of terrorties
wxc2006 [3d\]: who is in charge of the live game?Jeff?
There: t6,s6
Snakeman [13k\]: ok, thanks
HoangVu [-\]: Lol
dantesxx [6k\]: Bei is the British Champion again :)
Snakeman [13k\]: and congratulations to Bei
sfrex [1k\]: this is alway a way 2 resign when behind
HoangVu [-\]: just accidently trip the go stones on the board
HoangVu [-\]: "opps!"
HoangVu [-\]: a draw
Zygen [6k\]: Heh =P
BAZI [8k?\]: unless bei puts them all back in the correct place, a la the atmoic bomb game
BenBinder [16k\]: what is happening? has w resigned?
ASIRA [9k\]: b coult kill the whole w group
MacNala [11k\]: so what is the result BGAadmin?
HoangVu [-\]: but there's no guarantee that bei won't misplace on stone
HoangVu [-\]: +1-2 points
HoangVu [-\]: so it will prolly end with rematch or draw
HoangVu [-\]: B+ Resign
BAZI [8k?\]: the problem with that strategy being that there's a perfect record of the game on kgs :p
HoangVu [-\]: ya
HoangVu [-\]: that's the problem
BGAadmin [-\]: B wins by Resign, Bei Ge is the new british champion
HoangVu [-\]: That's why
zazie [-\]: congrats
HoangVu [-\]: Someone should hack bgaadmin
HoangVu [-\]: Lol ^_^
BGAadmin [-\]: @@
HoangVu [-\]: :p
nathaniel2 [7k\]: look
MacNala [11k\]: Thanks BGAaadmin for all the moves relayed here
nathaniel2 [7k\]: Lets just ask 
HoangVu [-\]: Bgaadmin tell congratulations to bei ge for us
HoangVu [-\]: ;p
ShaleStone [5k\]: w would have lost by 20 pts anyway
ShaleStone [5k\]: -.-
FaintSmile [4k\]: ouchi O.O
ASIRA [9k\]: when will w resign^^
dragonfist [10k\]: ups
HoangVu [-\]: already resigned
HoangVu [-\]: :p
Kenja [-\]: ouah
Kenja [-\]: resign
KGSWEIQI [1k\]: silly mistake
KGSWEIQI [1k\]: would w have won? otherwise
HoangVu [-\]: no
HoangVu [-\]: black would've won
KGSWEIQI [1k\]: oh k
HoangVu [-\]: you're 1k count for yourself ;p
KGSWEIQI [1k\]: so lazy
KGSWEIQI [1k\]: i dont have se
KGSWEIQI [1k\]: on this computer
HoangVu [-\]: se dont work
BAZI [8k?\]: se won't help you
bigben79 [8d\]: So lucky b is
HoangVu [-\]: :p
HoangVu [-\]: it will give u +146 black so it doesn't show accurate numbers
HoangVu [-\]: lol
KGSWEIQI [1k\]: so big ben w wins
snowman [-\]: white should have more thinking time :)
bcaso [13k\]: se say b 146
HoangVu [-\]: bigben black would win anyway
KGSWEIQI [1k\]: if it wasn't for this error
HoangVu [-\]: :P
ronnytune [9k\]: who vs who?
BAZI [8k?\]: look at the names
ronnytune [9k\]: oh... haha
ronnytune [9k\]: alex's rank is what?
KGSWEIQI [1k\]: me thinks w wins but i didn't count
ronnytune [9k\]: e6 is obvious...
ronnytune [9k\]: need to think?
BAZI [8k?\]: the game is over, w resigned
ronnytune [9k\]: oh... haha, again
ronnytune [9k\]: d7 nice move!
bleacher [12k\]: wow
Medice [-\]: nah, e6 better
Medice [-\]: ;P
stupor [5d\]: Matthew MacFadyen did not play this year?
sheeryjay [5k\]: Matthew did not qualify
sheeryjay [5k\]: but he commented on some of the games
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