(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[10800]OT[10/600 Canadian]
GN[British Go Championship Title Match: Game Two]PW[Nick Krempel]PB[Matthew Macfadyen]WR[3d]BR[6d]DT[2011-07-17]EV[British Go Championship Title Match]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: let's hope the players didn't think it was 2017
Warfreak2 [4d\]: who is relaying today?
BGAadmin [-\]: fortunately both of the players seem to be here, so that's OK
BGAadmin [-\]: I'm Jenny and I will be relaying first
BGAadmin [-\]: Kirsty will probably take over for a while later
BGAadmin [-\]: hm, I should find out what the EuroGoTV link is ...
ikou: is tthere a live stream?
BGAadmin [-\]: there is - I'm just trying to find the URL
ikou: ok
hermitek [7k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-UK ?
BGAadmin [-\]: allegedly, http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-UK
guest003 [-\]: thx jenny and kristy for the relay
guest003 [-\]: Mathhew to play black today?
BGAadmin [-\]: also visible on the camera, up to four chickens visible from the window
BGAadmin [-\]: yes, Matthew will be playing Black, having lost nigiri last time
guest003 [-\]: and Nick krempel the challenger is white...ok
behold [8k\]: sorry, what does nigiri mean?
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;B[oo]C[BGAadmin [-\]: nigiri is a method of choosing colours
guest003 [-\]: one player takes a number of stones in his hand..the other is to guess wether it are odd or even
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;W[pd]C[behold [8k\]: ah, thank you
haypatay: wow
BGAadmin [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Nigiri
Rower [5k\]: 5-5.. funny :)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: trust macfadyen to open at 5-5
BGAadmin [-\]: apparently you can see dunnocks eating the chicken feed as well, since you can expect some quiet patches waiting for Nick to move
RobertT [-\]: what? no 2nd move tengen?
BGAadmin [-\]: I'm afraid not
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;B[eo]C[BGAadmin [-\]: furthermore, Matthew has *currently* used more time than Nick ... this won't last
kabradarf [2d\]: does macfadyen has red eyes this morning?
RobertT [-\]: w+ res
ikou: what ahppened to the stream
ikou: *ha
Warfreak2 [4d\]: macfadyen has two eyes this morning
BGAadmin [-\]: oh, rats, has it gone to sleep again?
CatoMajor [1d\]: Warfreak, :)
BGAadmin [-\]: I need maproomad to tell me the password for that laptop so I can set it to not go to screensaver
CatoMajor [1d\]: I thought Macfadyen was like TheCaptain in that he only needs one.
Warfreak2 [4d\]: meanwhile, keep the mouse wobbling
Warfreak2 [4d\]: macfadyen needs no eyes, in fact
Warfreak2 [4d\]: but, as luck would have it, he has two
Warfreak2 [4d\]: we are all cheering for nick, anyway
ikou: its still Offline
BGAadmin [-\]: I could keep wobbling the mouse, but as it's password-locked ...
BGAadmin [-\]: sorry, ikou, I am trying to get the password ... (doh)
haypatay: is miss guo juan gonna make commentary in this match?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: oh, the screensaver went on already
ikou: ohhh, ok thank you ^^
BGAadmin [-\]: she is - I'm not sure when she's due to start, haypatay
CatoMajor [1d\]: Is Nick underranked? I understand he beat some 5 dans to get into the final.
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;W[dd]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: probably not for a while
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not much use her commenting on the first 20 moves
haypatay: ty
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it will be lunchtime by the time nick has gotten to move 21
haypatay: BGAadmin
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(;B[pj]C[BGAadmin [-\]: yes?
guest003 [-\]: black position is called the apollo fuseki
haypatay: how long will this game end?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: two 5-5 points suggest that macfadyen has confused go club with fight club
Warfreak2 [4d\]: sorry, i am not supposed to talk about that
Tien [6d\]: Now this looks awesome
guest003 [-\]: emphasizing the centre apollo was considered to live on mount olymp
haypatay: where is mrs juan?
guest003 [-\]: she is asleep
BGAadmin [-\]: haypatay: each player has 3 hours, plus Canadian overtime of 10 stones in 10 minutes, for as long as they can keep that rate up
BGAadmin [-\]: so ... potentially 7 hours or so :)
Syptryn [3d\]: hmmm
Syptryn [3d\]: intresting 5-5
BGAadmin [-\]: Guo Juan will be providing a commentary, starting in a little while
Syptryn [3d\]: r4 
CatoMajor [1d\]: Tien, Have you played the 5-5 yourself?
Tien [6d\]: Q3 looks fine enough now
Tien [6d\]: CatoMajor, maybe once
Syptryn [3d\]: q-3 is good too :)
ikou: Tien i remember the game in which you played 3-3 and beat Catalin :)
BGAadmin [-\]: Matthew says there's now a jackdaw stealing the chickenfood ... I can only see a blackbird, myself
RobertT [-\]: guo juan will kill all their stones in review
Ras [8k\]: What is this event?
Tien [6d\]: 3-3 is normal, right :)
Syptryn [3d\]: 3-4 normal vs 5-5 
Symbolic [25k?\]: what's happening with the time?
CatoMajor [1d\]: Tien, How would it continue from q3?
DanielTom [-\]: r3, q3 , both possible
Tien [6d\]: Probably r4
BGAadmin [-\]: Ras: the British Go Championship Title Match, game two of three
Symbolic [25k?\]: it's at 180 but there's already 5 moves
Tien [6d\]: And then r3 and s4, likely
Tien [6d\]: And then o3
Syptryn [3d\]: q3 r4 r3 o3 s5 r5 s4 
Syptryn [3d\]: most likely
DanielTom [-\]: W can also play a splitting move at the bottom
Ras [8k\]: What was the outcome of game 1?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: macfadyen won
BGAadmin [-\]: Matthew won
Tien [6d\]: O3, huh
Tien [6d\]: Seems possible, though seems like it tries quite a lot
Syptryn [3d\]: I don't like spliting, black  can get q-3 and then it could end p a big corner
MicMac [1d\]: if r4 r3 is good for black? 
MicMac [1d\]: q4*
DanielTom [-\]: I hope Nick has done his homework
Syptryn [3d\]: Nick should know how to counter 5-5
Syptryn [3d\]: ar this level
ikou: what homework?
guest003 [-\]: grr i forgot my eurogotv-password
BGAadmin [-\]: researching Matthew's funny openings, I assume :)
ikou: ahh right ^^ lol
ikou: its late (early) here, i havent slept yet
Warfreak2 [4d\]: take your time, nick, this next move is critical
DanielTom [-\]: p3 is also possible
RobertT [-\]: have you tried "password"?
BGAadmin [-\]: it feels blooming early here, I promise you, but that's because I drove up from Crawley. *yawn*
BGAadmin [-\]: Warfreak2: I'll refrain from passing that on :)
CatoMajor [1d\]: Tien, n3 is too thin after s4?
RobertT [-\]: or maybe "a" like apple
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i hope nick will also refrain from passing
BGAadmin [-\]: for now, yes, I hope so too
iskarel [?\]: how much time do they have?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: 180 seconds
guest003 [-\]: so where to invade below 5-5...there are several options...going into san-san or hoshi 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: hoshi is actually not that good
BZ [8k\]: eh? black went for a walk?
BGAadmin [-\]: yep
Goemon [2k?\]: why do you have to invade 5-5 now ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: well that changes everything!
Uberdude [4d?\]: black is nick krempel, imitaing matthew?
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;W[jq]C[BZ [8k\]: haha
ikou: =O
BGAadmin [-\]: players are permitted to go wandering around if they wish :)
DanielTom [-\]: splitting move was expected, Nick's style
ikou: what if someone is found cheating after they wonder?
BGAadmin [-\]: they are accompanied to make sure they can't cheat, of course
BZ [8k\]: that sounds fun xD
guest003 [-\]: k3 feels natural..taking up a splitting position before invading the corners
ikou: ahh i see
DanielTom [-\]: k3 maybe too simple, W could try one space to the right
DanielTom [-\]: l3 instead
DanielTom [-\]: or j3 
guest003 [-\]: the problem of 5-5 is a proper way to strengthen the position...it seems black may add a move without enclosing the corner forgood
xDragon [-\]: no, the colors are right
BGAadmin [-\]: argle
BGAadmin [-\]: how the devil - I thought one could cut-and-paste?
sarmad [1k\]: you should be able to
sarmad [1k\]: cut from here
Uberdude [4d?\]: not in online demo game
sarmad [1k\]: ah
BGAadmin [-\]: *swearing*
Uberdude [4d?\]: only in offline editor
basicpract [-\]: it is like nine moves, just play them out :PP
sarmad [1k\]: just replay it i guess
guest003 [-\]: don't mind the audience Jenny and you'll be fine ^^
BGAadmin [-\]: yep, bear with me!
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;B[nq]C[Tien [6d\]: After this, r5 is a pretty nice way to strengthen the corner
Goemon [2k?\]: if takamiya sensei was playing now these moyo moves it would be fun to watch
xDragon [-\]: we will find out in about 20 min when w moves again
guest003 [-\]: yes forces white somewhat to go to g3
quinza [9k\]: When will Guo's commentary be starting?
stoneman [4d\]: do we have Guo Juan 5d live commentary for this game?
DanielTom [-\]: e3 ?
maproomad [-\]: Guo Juan's commentary should start in about 45 minutes
stoneman [4d\]: thx, maproomad
BGAadmin [-\]: ah, thank you, I was just wondering whether to risk dashing to ask Kirsty that :)
Tien [6d\]: In three moves, then
maproomad [-\]: she only went to bed (in Canada) six hours ago
guest003 [-\]: e3 slide further under the stone...but if someone would be waving a sword high in the sky...do you go voluntarily under it?
Tien [6d\]: I wouldn't mind living under a cloud
DanielTom [-\]: you could make it a silly cap
Syptryn [3d\]: yikes
Syptryn [3d\]: I think white just screwed up
guest003 [-\]: my feeling says e3 wil be countered at f3
Tien [6d\]: White can play g3 and all is fine
Syptryn [3d\]: and give black an ideal e-3?
gejame [3k\]: at which point should w try to invade right corner?
Tien [6d\]: Yeah, shouldn't be a problem
Symbolic [25k?\]: maybe white wanted black to approach at 03?
leachy [3k\]: g3 e3 and the point to invade is d4?
xDragon [-\]: is there a cam like last match
ikou: k3 was bad?
Syptryn [3d\]: white left the 5-5 stones unpunished...
maproomad [-\]: webcam is at http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-UK
Tien [6d\]: I think there's no way k3 is bad
DanielTom [-\]: crazy openings always "look" better for B
Warfreak2 [4d\]: syptryn would like to punish go seigen
Tien [6d\]: Seems like a reasonable opening move
Syptryn [3d\]: I think q-3 would have been better
Tien [6d\]: After g3 and e3, I'd play r5 next
ikou: thanks Tien
CatoMajor [1d\]: Warfreak2, Go Seigen played k3?
sarmad [1k\]: what's this game? a tournamet?
Symbolic [25k?\]: it's too early to punish 5,5
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no, go seigen played two 5-5 points
CatoMajor [1d\]: sarmad, British Championship final
CatoMajor [1d\]: Ah
Warfreak2 [4d\]: and syptryn wants to punish macfadyen for playing two 5-5 points
Tien [6d\]: Would you remember which game?
DanielTom [-\]: after g3 e3, W will need to defend at k5 
Tien [6d\]: I might be interested in seeing that one
CatoMajor [1d\]: Warfreak2, I see.
sarmad [1k\]: thanks cato
guest003 [-\]: if black wins this game, the match is over best out of three?
maproomad [-\]: correct
RobertT [-\]: I would punish go seigen
CatoMajor [1d\]: sarmad, I was going to tell you to read the title, and then I noticed that it doesn't say anything. ;)
maproomad [-\]: as it says in NGAadmin's info
Uberdude [4d?\]: oh dear, matthew is being silly
maproomad [-\]: BGAadmin's
BGAadmin [-\]: oh, Cato, sorry, thank you for pointing that out, I'll try to correct it
Uberdude [4d?\]: this will surely make nick even slower
sarmad [1k\]: get strong at opening didn't have this position :(
mof [1k?\]: hooray for colourful clothes :)
Lacrimosa [?\]: i guess they didn't read the book
Warfreak2 [4d\]: there is no book "get strong at beating up macfadyen" unfortunately
guest003 [-\]: sure Nick has great pressure on his shoulder..the entire world is watching
BGAadmin [-\]: yeah, but you think he's noticed?
golgo13 [8k\]: q3?
BGAadmin [-\]: actually, to be fair, last time he did comment on hearing me type a lot ...
Uberdude [4d?\]: i think matthre played similar to this against wang xi in london
guest003 [-\]: can he be the atlas to carry all that weight
Warfreak2 [4d\]: wang zi?
guest003 [-\]: so the game is an ancient one atlas versus apollo
sarmad [1k\]: so what are white's options? e3 ?
xDragon [-\]: if i wake up at  5pm brit time will the gme still be going
guest003 [-\]: i rejected e3 due to black f3
Juka [3d\]: in all these games, at the start , black looks better but
maproomad [-\]: maybe, maybe not
Uberdude [4d?\]: yeah, whatever his name was, the ex-1p who won
dangerzone [6k\]: Did they do an actual physical nigiri in the first game?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: wang zi. miaaffa
xDragon [-\]: nick has that reputation as the slowest player ever so i think its possible
CatoMajor [1d\]: BGAAdmin, Thanks, now I can just grumpily tell people to read the title
BGAadmin [-\]: dangerzone: yes, actual physical nigiri
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;W[gq]C[xDragon [-\]: nick wont move at all
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;B[qf]C[BGAadmin [-\]: xDragon: don't forget, Nick being slow means Matthew can (and does) think on Nick's time
Warfreak2 [4d\]: nick is british lightning champion 2010
Ras [8k\]: matt quick
BGAadmin [-\]: oh, lord, ladies and gentlemen, I've made a misake
ikou: should w e3 here or respond to r14?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: gosh
BGAadmin [-\]: *insert swearing*
dangerzone [6k\]: Was it the one where if you win it you get black or where you get to pick the colo(u)r?
xDragon [-\]: q10 one space higher?
BGAadmin [-\]: I'm enormously sorry, q10 is actually at q11
BGAadmin [-\]: yes
sarmad [1k\]: opening looks better for b
BGAadmin [-\]: right, one moment while I work out how to correct that
guest003 [-\]: Nick has taken prudence with g3...black could have responded at e3 but then white would peek atC6
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(;B[pi]C[xDragon [-\]: so dont worry
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;B[qf]C[iskarel [?\]: ah now it makes sense
BGAadmin [-\]: right ... does that look right?
xDragon [-\]: yes
BGAadmin [-\]: I am so, so, so sorry
Warlord [-\]: ya
maproomad [-\]: success! - well done, Jenny
dangerzone [6k\]: I wonder whether this will cause problems for when Guo Juan clones the game.
basicpract [-\]: np
sarmad [1k\]: you are fired sir!!! :)
xDragon [-\]: you can make it so you can shuffle move trees
xDragon [-\]: or can you not in demos
BGAadmin [-\]: the q10 hoshi point is remarkably invisible at this angle
xDragon [-\]: make thi sone top move tree and wont be problem
DanielTom [-\]: o17 e3 r5 now?
BGAadmin [-\]: you can't in live demos, apparently, xDragon
BGAadmin [-\]: *finishes coffee hastily*
Warfreak2 [4d\]: you can't live on deimos, either
golgo13 [8k\]: all hail the king!
guest003 [-\]: ok , i will on phoebus then
Warfreak2 [4d\]: you will get very lonely
gejame [3k\]: damn, is i watch these players its like a mexican standoff..noone moves and suddenly someone is dead
guest003 [-\]: nah i got internet
ikou: lololololol
DanielTom [-\]: maybe W can tennuki? d3 ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: SE has not killed any stones yet
BGAadmin [-\]: hm, I can't see the bottom of the clock, bad placing; I hope it won't distract Nick if I shift to move it backwards a bit
yuccaB [-\]: BGAadmin could you tell where you are (physically)?
sarmad [1k\]: so if w plays o17 or so, what will b do?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: in front of a laptop i expect
guest003 [-\]: the question rises if black plays r6 can you make life then in the corner?
DanielTom [-\]: r5 is the invasion point
Warfreak2 [4d\]: black would play r5 himself
maproomad [-\]: you can see the top of BGAadmin's laptop, on the webcast
golgo13 [8k\]: E3
Warfreak2 [4d\]: to form o meien's favourite enclosure
Butters [14k\]: Is there commentary that I cannot hear on the stream, or is it just room sounds?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: also macfadyen's favourite enclosure
BGAadmin [-\]: just room sounds
maproomad [-\]: only the clock ticking
xDragon [-\]: theyre not going to talk while theyre thinking
guest003 [-\]: if you would think black r encloses th corner completly then this region of the board becomes urgent
BGAadmin [-\]: no one here is strong enough to provide commentary :)
dangerzone [6k\]: Was it just an issue or a whole subscription the BGA owes you, guest003?
Syptryn [3d\]: I vote taking bot left corner
Uberdude [4d?\]: matthew played the same q11 against wang zi
Warfreak2 [4d\]: tien can comment
DanielTom [-\]: I think I would tenuki too
Uberdude [4d?\]: i have loaded that game so you can see how the pro beat this weird opening
sarmad [1k\]: after r5 is b plays r6 i'm pretty sure w will live in the corner but b will strengthen himself on both right side and bot side
sarmad [1k\]: and w stones at bot will be attacked
Syptryn [3d\]: d4 
BGAadmin [-\]: right, now I can see the clock, and perhaps I should have waved at the webcam as well
ikewa [9k\]: wow
alfi [4k\]:  n17
BGAadmin [-\]: Matthew has used 4 minutes. Nick has used, oh, about 29.5 ...
Syptryn [3d\]: Nick used far too much time
Syptryn [3d\]: in opening
Syptryn [3d\]: you can't even plan ahead that much here
xDragon [-\]: dont tell him that
Syptryn [3d\]: better same it for mid game
RobertT [-\]: b+ time before guo juan even gets there
sarmad [1k\]: seems white didn't come prepared for blacks opening :)
Butters [14k\]: Stream down?  
xDragon [-\]: hes always this slow
Syptryn [3d\]: it sad
Syptryn [3d\]: since he ends up losing it
Syptryn [3d\]: in mid game
Syptryn [3d\]: when he reached byoumi
BGAadmin [-\]: sorry, the stream dropped the server again, but it's come back now - sorry about that
xDragon [-\]: he has a habi tof losing by time in tourneys
dangerzone [6k\]: Black's formation on the right looks weird; does he still need to fix it in gote perhaps?
sarmad [1k\]: what about something like q9 now?
Syptryn [3d\]: I talked to a CHinese insei in the world studen OZa, he basically said that he barely thinks in the opneing, because you can always get back froma  disadvantage opening using time and a big fight
maproomad [-\]: Black does not mind weird
iskarel [?\]: hard to attack without making B strong on the outside
xDragon [-\]: pal balogh tends to use all his main time within 5 moves
Syptryn [3d\]: which if why i think k3 was crap
xDragon [-\]: but still does well
dangerzone [6k\]: O16 now?
iskarel [?\]: W should stick to the book for the moment
sarmad [1k\]: k3 might have been better at d10 or k16 ?
guest003 [-\]: so you'd play r15 karel?
Syptryn [3d\]: if black gets r-5 after this, his formotion on bot right is ideal
maproomad [-\]: How much time has W used so far?
xDragon [-\]: over 39
xDragon [-\]: 30
BGAadmin [-\]: white has used 33 minutes, perhaps a little more
golgo13 [8k\]: i dont think w should play by the book
xDragon [-\]: b has used 4 minutes
Warfreak2 [4d\]: which book might he play by?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: get strong at macfadyen's fuseki?
xDragon [-\]: the book of love
Tien [6d\]: Even if after r5 the back formation is ideal, that's pretty much all black will have
Tien [6d\]: In addition to the floating stone at e5
Tien [6d\]: I think the game would still be fine for both
Warfreak2 [4d\]: hovering stone at e5
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it has antigravityt
golgo13 [8k\]: b probably has answers prepared for common responces
Tien [6d\]: I'll do o17 without much thinking as white, here
Fredda [-\]: yeah
Fredda [-\]: e5 too strange
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;W[qn]C[guest003 [-\]: matthew doesn't do much preparation anymore.....
Tien [6d\]: This might get ugly now
BGAadmin [-\]: I don't think anyone predicted that, did they?
Ras [8k\]: i was thinking r7 but i like this too
Longshi [-\]: looks about reasonable so far
Tien [6d\]: It's not such a surprising move
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;B[qp]C[Tien [6d\]: But like this, white will end up having many small groups
guest003 [-\]: yes we have an invader...so black seizes initiativ on how to attack
basicpract [-\]: looks like the opening is over now. Time for the middlegame :)
Fredda [-\]: r6 is a bad move
sarmad [1k\]: i didn't like this one because of b r4 
Tien [6d\]: I'd read white r6 as white being afraid
Fredda [-\]: normally
BGAadmin [-\]: in this part of the board at least, basicpract :)
Fredda [-\]: shape to invade should be at least r5 no?
sarmad [1k\]: now if w r9 he has 2 groups under attack...
Tien [6d\]: Fredda, right
Longshi [-\]: yeah, r5 looks normal
Fredda [-\]: i mean after r4 blacks corner is still so nice
Butters [14k\]: How does the strength of European and American players compare to those of Korean/Chinese?  Are say 6d in both equivalent?
Fredda [-\]: and white is under attack
Fredda [-\]: and still owe one move in upperright
Fredda [-\]: too busy now
Longshi [-\]: but r6 p5 exchange looks a bit strange
Ras [8k\]: no butters, not equal
Fredda [-\]: no its normal longshi
Ras [8k\]: though i dont think i have specifics for u
Longshi [-\]: if you read it as black having a r4 o3 shimari and white approaching, wouldn't you want to pincer r8 ?
Fredda [-\]: that depends
Longshi [-\]: before reinforcing
Fredda [-\]: then white will q4
Fredda [-\]: b q3 and w r3
Fredda [-\]: or white might r3 immediately
Fredda [-\]: anyway there is sabaki for white that way
Butters [14k\]: I did not think they would be, just a curious on what a comparison would be.
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;W[qk]C[Longshi [-\]: s10 ?
golgo13 [8k\]: r9 good idea???
guest003 [-\]: yes i think so
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has now used 38 minutes; Matthew has used 5.
Tien [6d\]: R9 is normal
Tien [6d\]: Yet, white will fall behind now
basicpract [-\]: the double approach now?
Butters [14k\]: Is the Komi 6.5?
largehc [?\]: b+ time :)
BGAadmin [-\]: no, 7.5
dangerzone [6k\]: Maybe black to jump into the corner?
Tien [6d\]: Double approach, yes
DanielTom [-\]: the game will end soon
Fredda [-\]: no
Fredda [-\]: it will be a long game
Tien [6d\]: Not in the next 2 hours
Longshi [-\]: I doubt the game will end in less than 3 hours ^^
Longshi [-\]: more like 4
leachy [3k\]: a long game with only 50 moves
guest003 [-\]: Nick krempel isn't so easy to be killed...so he will last longer
Fredda [-\]: these kind of white groups can't die
gejame [3k\]: could b buld up pressure on r10?
DanielTom [-\]: "soon" as in number of moves
Fredda [-\]: no
Longshi [-\]: Nick plays slowly
DanielTom [-\]: of course Nick will take a lot of time
secretGO [3d\]: i see died stones
Fredda [-\]: usually these kind of games go to the end
BZ [8k\]: already? wow
guest003 [-\]: you watch your own games to much
DanielTom [-\]: s10 now?
Longshi [-\]: matthew has been known to make crazy games
dangerzone [6k\]: Double approach played.
Fredda [-\]: o17
secretGO [3d\]: i see.. b stones... they are... from another world
Butters [14k\]: Is that 5-5 a new popular opening?
Tien [6d\]: Maybe white wants to be modern and play n16 instead?
Fredda [-\]: black you mean?
Fredda [-\]: ^^
Tien [6d\]: Ah, right :)
BGAadmin [-\]: Kirsty has  kindly opened the windows for us, it's getting - to my mind - a little warm in here
Fredda [-\]: maybe yeah
Fredda [-\]: looks interesting
golgo13 [8k\]: 5-5 opening is rare
Uberdude [4d?\]: not for matthew :p
Symbolic [24k?\]: the video quality sucks >.< and they're playing in someone's kitchen
Tien [6d\]: I'd definitely do o17 myself, though
guest003 [-\]: use a fan jenny
dangerzone [6k\]: It's been played already according to the feed.
leachy [3k\]: not new and not so common
BGAadmin [-\]: it's not a kitchen, Symbolic, it's maproom's maproom
maproomad [-\]: then the feed is wrong - that'll be my fault
BGAadmin [-\]: guest003: I stupidly left it in the kitchen. I'll retrieve it at lunch :)
Butters [14k\]: The black player appears bored.
Symbolic [24k?\]: lol
leachy [3k\]: i don't see any maps....though i did see a dog outside before.
guest003 [-\]: always fan and handkerchief at hand near a go-ban ^^
dangerzone [6k\]: BGAadmin, are you going to add black's last move?
basicpract [-\]: had Black played?
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;B[nc]C[BGAadmin [-\]: ahem
BGAadmin [-\]: yes
Symbolic [24k?\]: feed is right, exactly like this except left and right are right in front of players. computer is located where bottom is for us
BGAadmin [-\]: so sorry; thank you dangerzone
golgo13 [8k\]: b is aiming at r17
BGAadmin [-\]: apparently yesterday's BGA Council meeting wore me out so much I'm not alert; badness
BGAadmin [-\]: at least, that's my excuse
isbhal [2d\]: so agressiv
sarmad [1k\]: whos on the left and who on the right?
guest003 [-\]: rather black is aiming at p15...keep the apollo style alive
Faux [-\]: excuse accepted
maproomad [-\]: MM on left, NK on right
xDragon [-\]: check their stones sarmas
leachy [3k\]: what is the move for white at bottom left if he is to get next move there? c4?
Tien [6d\]: I'll be boring and play e3
Tien [6d\]: Though d3 might actually be better
BZ [8k\]: but e3 seems kinda small
Butters [14k\]: d4 too greedy?
Longshi [-\]: small ?
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has now used 45 minutes to Matthew's 5
guest003 [-\]: ah yes i was just going to ask you that tien...white d3 makes e5 look a little funny doesn't it
isbhal [2d\]: what are their nicknames on kgs ?  
Tien [6d\]: More than just a bit, I guess :)
guest003 [-\]: however white can't let p15 pass now can he
leachy [3k\]: hmm yes i like d3....e5 does look misplaced then, whereas w e3 and e5 looks useful
BGAadmin [-\]: I think Matthew's rubberduck and Nick's ndkrempel
golgo13 [8k\]: if w p15 b r17
BGAadmin [-\]: hmm, what a nice cat his user icon wossname is
isbhal [2d\]: thanks
leachy [3k\]: yeah w can't tenuki away from the top right
leachy [3k\]: o16 seems mandatory to me
KurataKun [7k\]: D3
guest003 [-\]: no way that black p15 might be played...that is almost a suicide
golgo13 [8k\]: that's why w r17
KoelnerFC [1d\]: hi - why there is no picture of matthew here? ^^
Longshi [-\]: he's too awesome for pictures
basicpract [-\]: the pic is the BGAAdmin one
BGAadmin [-\]: because demo games don't (as far as I know) allow for individual pictures
guest003 [-\]: only one relaying-account...it's a live game
basicpract [-\]: not Nick :P
BGAadmin [-\]: you'll need to look at the live stream ...
BGAadmin [-\]: oh, bother
kabradarf [2d\]: p15 looks good in comparison of q14
KurataKun [7k\]: o16?
Tien [6d\]: p15 r17 m15, maybe
lancelot3 [-\]: i prefere p 15
sergei38: интре
dangerzone [6k\]: I'm guessing kosumi.
guest003 [-\]: sure the balance of black stones seek combining and span together against the evil white invaders...so white is contemplating q14 o16 or p15
KoelnerFC [1d\]: hmm - maybe it is a little off topic  but i am sure that even matthews hair is 3d - so w will have a hard time
Faux [-\]: lmfbo
BZ [8k\]: lol
guest003 [-\]: did he go afro style again^^
xDragon [-\]: yup
KurataKun [7k\]: is o16 possible?
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has used 50 minutes. Matthew has used 5.
Backflash [10k\]: KoelnerFC i see blitzer in you!
sarmad [1k\]: i would play o16
Faux [-\]: srsly? 50 to 5 m used?
golgo13 [8k\]: not with r14 present
kejitsuu [8k\]: is it really 3 hrs ea person ?
xDragon [-\]: i remember the first game when guo juan arrived
BGAadmin [-\]: I am beginning to think that ringing a little bell every 15 minutes of Nick's time would genuinely be a good idea
Faux [-\]: What a difference...
xDragon [-\]: she was like "this is it?"
BGAadmin [-\]: it really is 3 hours each, plus overtime
kejitsuu [8k\]: kay making sure (:
Butters [14k\]: What are the time rules?
xDragon [-\]: yea it should b 3 hrs its only deciding the british champion
KurataKun [7k\]: one hour and its only fuseki
KurataKun [7k\]: :\\
Backflash [10k\]: why w pressed everywhere btw?
kabradarf [2d\]: p15 r17 q17 r16 n16 m17 n17 n18 p18?
dangerzone [6k\]: 3 hours each plus 10 stones in 10 min overtime.
guest003 [-\]: ok ..i am finished reading here...i will do prolly q14 your move ...
BGAadmin [-\]: Butters: 3 hours each plus 10 stones in 10 minutes Canadian overtime
Backflash [10k\]: are you sure?
sarmad [1k\]: overtime is 10 stones in 10 minutes?
sarmad [1k\]: kk
behold [8k\]: w r17 not good?
BZ [8k\]: i dunno why, but it feels like b is going to win
BGAadmin [-\]: I am absolutely certain, Backflash. I *am* the Tournament Organiser.
kejitsuu [8k\]: e4 . just because he can. if he feels like tenuki ing on such a big move.
KurataKun [7k\]: o16
KurataKun [7k\]: ?
Backflash [10k\]: BGAadmin it was about q14 move
dangerzone [6k\]: Maybe invasion would have been bad because a strengthening of white would work too well with D16.
guest003 [-\]: another variation could be wQ17 b P15 w M17
BGAadmin [-\]: oh, sorry, Backflash, misunderstood :)
Backflash [10k\]: anyway good to know someone sure about somthing
BZ [8k\]: if w goes to e4, it seems small, but can black go to e4?
dangerzone [6k\]: This looks like a position for which tewari analysis could work wonders.
Backflash [10k\]: why?
BGAadmin [-\]: oh, I'm sure of several things. That Nick's used 55 minutes to Matthew's 5, and that I'm a bit sleepy, among other things :)
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;W[nd]C[BGAadmin [-\]: also, that, congratulations are due to a number of people who predicted that move :)
Butters [14k\]: The stream lagging?
kejitsuu [8k\]: my e4 for wq will come..
Fredda [-\]: isn't o16 the wrong direction?
BGAadmin [-\]: the stream's a bit jittery sometimes, I think
BZ [8k\]: ahhh e4 for w seems good
kejitsuu [8k\]: its not really good
kejitsuu [8k\]: just risky.
golgo13 [8k\]: o16 will be seperated or even thrown away
Backflash [10k\]: 8kyus think alike, shocking news
sarmad [1k\]: d3 better than e4 locally i think
dangerzone [6k\]: I'm guessing that if it's in the wrong direction, it's because the white group below will now come under attack.
BZ [8k\]: is interesting
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;W[oc]C[sarmad [1k\]: o15 now has to be
Fredda [-\]: normally you want to attach the strong stone
sarmad [1k\]: omg
Cobweb [2k\]: guojuan seems to be starting now
guest003 [-\]: nope O16 isn't the wrong direction...white seeks the attack on the two stones on the right with this move..while q14 would reinforce them
BGAadmin [-\]: aha
sarmad [1k\]: this will be bad for w...
basicpract [-\]: I think that attaching to R14 makes Black stronger, and therfore White in more danger on the right :)
Fredda [-\]: white seeks to attack them?:)
Fredda [-\]: white himself is weak
Fredda [-\]: cannot attack hehe
Fredda [-\]: p17 is not a move anyway that aims to attack
Fredda [-\]: just defend
sarmad [1k\]: b o15 p16 n15 s16 p9 
Fredda [-\]: if white had any plans to attack he had to play o15 instead
BGAadmin [-\]: Guo Juan has, I believe, started her review, also in the English Game Room
basicpract [-\]: Defending is sort of a pre-cursor to attacking, unless you are just weak :P
BGAadmin [-\]: I *believe* it will be in audio, so turn your speakers on :)
kejitsuu [8k\]: boo audio. i'll stay here.
Uberdude [4d?\]: p17 seems a decent idea here,  wants defence
ikewa [9k\]: she starting
guest003 [-\]: yes so fredda you would agree that q11 is to hard to attack and rather be playing Q14?
guest003 [-\]: instead of o16?
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;B[nb]C[Fredda [-\]: yeah that would be my idea
guest003 [-\]: ok then we have the same mind
guest003 [-\]: what takes so long...n15...what else?
kejitsuu [8k\]: q14
kejitsuu [8k\]: oh. you're right. a q 14 can come a lul later
kejitsuu [8k\]: lil 
basicpract [-\]: q14 not really needed after n15 ?
Backflash [10k\]: hm, simply corner the corner?
basicpract [-\]: (not the usual sequence)
kejitsuu [8k\]: if needed *
basicpract [-\]: n15 m16 m15 l16 o14 
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has now used an hour; Matthew, 11 minutes
Ras [8k\]: i like r12 here, cuz im kyu
Backflash [10k\]: he overthinks this stuff
BGAadmin [-\]: anyone want to have a quick gamble on how many moves will happen before Nick laps Matthew the first time
guest003 [-\]: yes i just push threw and play r11 after the ate-sequence
BZ [8k\]: lol like 1?
Backflash [10k\]: 3
basicpract [-\]: this move :P
guest003 [-\]: afterall in my opinion the game is about who gets r11/s10 and who will get d3/e3
Backflash [10k\]: basicaly sente
Ras [8k\]: Jenny, in what sense is Nick lapping Matthew? Like a dog laps water from a bowl?
Backflash [10k\]: yea, we kind of know that
Longshi [-\]: e3 or d3 for black still looks a bit strange though
guest003 [-\]: you canot accept your opponents moves to be sente..thenhe makes points along the way...so you must fight for your right
BGAadmin [-\]: Ras, you can see on the live stream that that's not happening :)
BGAadmin [-\]: I was thinking more in terms of his hour hand passing Matthew's, in effect
Ras [8k\]: Ah that makes much more sense
kejitsuu [8k\]: 15 moves
kejitsuu [8k\]: on that gamble.
Ras [8k\]: What his clock at?
Ras [8k\]: oh sorry, didnt read before
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick's now at 66 minutes; Matthew still at (possibly just short of) 11.
gdhdbhg: hi, what is the adres of the live video?
maproomad [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-UK&aktie=verander
gdhdbhg: thx
maproomad [-\]: no leave out that last bit, I think
BGAadmin [-\]: yes
BGAadmin [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-UK suffices, I'm fairly sure
gdhdbhg: yep, thx
Amoamasa [3d?\]: Someone is trying to convince me this game started at 10:00 not 11:00
leachy [3k\]: nick will seal this move
Uberdude [4d?\]: l16 can be good move sometimes
Uberdude [4d?\]: but here corner too weak
MrSnouty [3d?\]: Uber, what are typical sequences with l16?
BGAadmin [-\]: Amoamasa: truly. Nick has used 70 minutes; Matthew 11
guest003 [-\]: L16 now?
Amoamasa [3d?\]: Getting sente to play in the bottom left looks important
maproomad [-\]: there's a chicken
MrSnouty [3d?\]: w l16 b p14 seems like a terrible exchange.
guest003 [-\]: l16 will be replied at M16 and white wil be introuble handling all that weak groups on the right side
BGAadmin [-\]: I can see all four chickens from here, but my angle on the window isn't the same as the webcams
BGAadmin [-\]: ooh, ladies and gentlemen, we have the first lapping!
Tien [6d\]: Hi!
guest003 [-\]: what one of the hens has rounded the house?
sayona [5d?\]: why isn't w playing
BGAadmin [-\]: because he's thinking
leachy [3k\]: yes, matthew is gone out to get the chicken and roast it....by the time he is done, nick will have sealed his move.
guest003 [-\]: white urgently needs ake and tea for lunch
sayona [5d?\]: why is nick thinking lol
BGAadmin [-\]: because it's what he does
BGAadmin [-\]: he's just nodded decisively, perhaps we're due a move soon ...
guest003 [-\]: we wonder were that mind is all going
kejitsuu [8k\]: we were due a move 10  mins ago.
guest003 [-\]: yes i took the liberty to make me a lunch
Uberdude [4d?\]: mrsnouty see my demo
maproomad [-\]: White drank a mug of green tea just before the game started
guest003 [-\]: in which room uber?
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;W[pf]C[maproomad [-\]: his empty mug is still there on the table
BGAadmin [-\]: possibly we should have made him have coffee instead ... I don't think he drinks it, but it might have done interesting things to his timekeeping :)
kejitsuu [8k\]: i win. :3
sayona [5d?\]: gamefaqs
Ras [8k\]: Jenny what is local time there?
BGAadmin [-\]: it is 1126
cherisse [?\]: i am late =(
BGAadmin [-\]: aka "too early on a Sunday to have been awake for 5 hours, dagnabbit"
cherisse [?\]: is there a video?
BGAadmin [-\]: there is - the link's in the game comment, one mo
BGAadmin [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-UK
cherisse [?\]: thank you
BGAadmin [-\]: you're welcome
bert [2d\]: ooh, oh, Matthew looks so young here
BGAadmin [-\]: if you think Matthew looks young do you think Nick looks like a baby? :)
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;B[qg]C[Prioxity [-\]: When has Matthew last time lost the title?
BGAadmin [-\]: he didn't get to the title match when Bei Ge won, which I think was about 2008
BGAadmin [-\]: hang on, I'll find the history
BGAadmin [-\]: (a time-check first: Nick has used 74 minutes, Matthew has used 17)
Prioxity [-\]: :)
BGAadmin [-\]: 2007 was the last year Matthew wasn't Champion
BGAadmin [-\]: http://www.britgo.org/bchamp/history.html
Ras [8k\]: move predictions? p14? n15? help a kyu out
GameFAQs [3d\]: yo
Prioxity [-\]: Open Guo Juan's demonstration for move predictions.
sayona [5d?\]: i'm eating ribs
Backflash [10k\]: w played q14? really?
Prioxity [-\]: Good for you :)
Prioxity [-\]: He's preparing the cut at n15.
GameFAQs [3d\]: you cooked them?
sayona [5d?\]: ya
GameFAQs [3d\]: woah
sayona [5d?\]: do u work tomorrow
GameFAQs [3d\]: no
sayona [5d?\]: buy ribs i will cook u 
GameFAQs [3d\]: don't cook me 
sayona [5d?\]: lol
sayona [5d?\]: 4 racks of ribs $20
guest003 [-\]: so this becomming an expensive game
GameFAQs [3d\]: applebees on tuesday
GameFAQs [3d\]: unlimited ribs and fries
Prioxity [-\]: Thank you for the history, BGAadmin.
sayona [5d?\]: bet mine's better
GameFAQs [3d\]: fries
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has used 80 minutes; Matthew has used 17.
simplex [7k\]: if white s10, black need protect?
Prioxity [-\]: I'd say that's quite a much for the first 20 moves.
Backflash [10k\]: 2 moves
sayona [5d?\]: 80 min for first 10 moves
simplex [7k\]: i mean, if black s10 and white s9, then black need to protect or play p9?
Prioxity [-\]: I meant the whole amount of moves in the game.
kejitsuu [8k\]:  dear god. i ate dinner and only 1 move has been playedd
Prioxity [-\]: Besides I only just came so I wouldn't know when they have used their time :)
bert [2d\]: sry, bga, didnt notice your answer, matthew haircut looks young is what i meant
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;W[pg]C[bert [2d\]: matthew's*
BGAadmin [-\]: ah
BGAadmin [-\]: it probably looks older in person; there's grey strands that catch the light ;)
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;B[rj]C[BGAadmin [-\]: ooh, didn't someone talk about s10 as an interesting move, some hours ago?
guest003 [-\]: yes i plead guilty
bert [2d\]: actually that was a bit sour comment on positioning of the camera also, i apologize for that
kejitsuu [8k\]: lol @ "some hours ago"
BGAadmin [-\]: well, feels like it :)
BGAadmin [-\]: I claim no responsibility for the camera positioning, I'm afraid, that's maproomad's fault :)
maproomad [-\]: it looks good to me - what is the complaint?
guest003 [-\]: i forgot my password of eurogotv...and harry isn't online
maproomad [-\]: a little higher would show more of the chickens and less of the recorder's laptop
ikewa [9k\]: chek your mail
guest003 [-\]: i am into eurogotv already 4~5 years now
BGAadmin [-\]: I fear distracting the players if I faff with the camera now; I'll try at lunchtime
dangerzone [6k\]: With that hair, Matthew looks like Howard Stern.
guest003 [-\]: yes that's best nick
maproomad [-\]: no - the camera is fine, don't move it now
ryoama [23k\]: r12
kejitsuu [8k\]: s15
sarmad [1k\]: what's the player's time like?
guest003 [-\]: how many eggs you get per week?
maproomad [-\]: ~25
guest003 [-\]: so they are good chicken then ^^
kejitsuu [8k\]: sounds like some delicious omelette time
BGAadmin [-\]: sarmad: Nick's used 88 minutes; Matthew's used 18
maproomad [-\]: the players will be eating some for lunch
Sakae [3d\]: what's the total time?
guest003 [-\]: nothing goes beyond fresh scrambled eggs at your house i suppose
sarmad [1k\]: the way things are going, Nick will be in trouble when it comes to mid-game fighting... he just won't have enough time to read things out...
BGAadmin [-\]: 180 minutes plus Canadian overtime of 10 stones in 10 minutes
BGAadmin [-\]: and ... yes, that's what happened in the last game, really
Prioxity [-\]: Didn't he learn anything from the first game, then?
lance123 [-\]: is the game still going on or is it over?
BGAadmin [-\]: it's stillhappening
IFailHard [16k?\]: still going on but w thinking very hard
Prioxity [-\]: And White's position is already looking bad.
bert [2d\]: we all like Matthew, don't we?
Prioxity [-\]: I don't like q13.
BGAadmin [-\]: IMO, both of them are very nice people, very good company, bert. Or do you mean the board position? :)
Brilliant [6k\]: Mm is unable to win except from a bad position. 
Backflash [10k\]: position is quite bad
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;W[ok]C[guest003 [-\]: 011 and black runs ahead...so something seems wrong here for whites plan
Backflash [10k\]: white and plan...yeaaa...
guest003 [-\]: yes if white spends about 2 hours making his moves...he must have a plan
BGAadmin [-\]: I should perhaps timecheck again: Matthew has now used 20 minutes; Nick has used 93
BGAadmin [-\]: can anyone remember what move we were on when Nick went over 90 minutes last time? I think it was also about move 23 or so
Backflash [10k\]: 1 move left
guest003 [-\]: yes today Mr. Krempel plays a litle faster
kejitsuu [8k\]: this is.. faster ?
BGAadmin [-\]: I'm not sure, I don't ... hm, I wonder if I can tell from the record, I should be able to
Backflash [10k\]: yea
Backflash [10k\]: i watched previous games
BGAadmin [-\]: no, at move 24 I remarked that Nick still had more than two hours, apparently
BGAadmin [-\]: no, that must have been wrong, or else it was move 25 he spent half an hour on
Backflash [10k\]: isn't it time for black to take left corner?
BGAadmin [-\]: ah, yes, I think it was
Uberdude [4d?\]: let's play hangman/i spy
Backflash [10k\]: hah
Uberdude [4d?\]: s _ _ _ _ _ _ _   a _ _ _ _ _
BGAadmin [-\]: yes. Move 25 took Nick ~30 minutes; he played it at minute 92 on his clock, last time
kejitsuu [8k\]: r
Uberdude [4d?\]: sorry, missed a letter
Uberdude [4d?\]: s _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _   a _ _ _ _ _
Uberdude [4d?\]: no r
stene [7k\]: l ? 
Backflash [10k\]: a?
Uberdude [4d?\]: s _ l _ _ _ _ _ _   a _ _ _ _ _
Bull3n [7k\]: e
Uberdude [4d?\]: s _ l _ _ _ _ _ _   a _ _ a _ _
Uberdude [4d?\]: no e
Suphyph [7k?\]: I
Backflash [10k\]: g
toadwarble [7k?\]: n
Uberdude [4d?\]: s _ l _ _ _ _ _ g   a _ _ a _ _
wi34rd [9k\]: ё
sarmad [1k\]: i
wi34rd [9k\]: й
Backflash [10k\]: hm
crys: Щ
Uberdude [4d?\]: s _ l _ _ _ _ n g   a _ _ a _ _
Backflash [10k\]: идите отседова
kejitsuu [8k\]: i
Uberdude [4d?\]: s _ l i _ _ i n g   a _ _ a _ _
toadwarble [7k?\]: o
Uberdude [4d?\]: no o
kejitsuu [8k\]: t
oasthouse [2d\]: splitting attack
stene [7k\]: y ?
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;B[ph]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: oasthouse wins!
kejitsuu [8k\]: yehyeh
Backflash [10k\]: oh
Suphyph [7k?\]: heheh
kejitsuu [8k\]: oh a move !
BGAadmin [-\]: a timely winning, Alex :)
kejitsuu [8k\]: i think we can do a few more before the next move.
Backflash [10k\]: q12 =\\
oasthouse [2d\]: Do you think it would make sense to clone GJ's commentary and have someone type in her comments?
oasthouse [2d\]: Otherwise most of them will be lost
Suphyph [7k?\]: left side looks thin
oasthouse [2d\]: I suppose people could take it in turns if no one person wants to stay here for the whole time
BGAadmin [-\]: I assume she'll be creating a lecture afterwards
BGAadmin [-\]: she did last time, anyway
oasthouse [2d\]: Do you think it will it include all of her comments?
Backflash [10k\]: audio? don't think so
BGAadmin [-\]: I don't know - I imagine it's just a consolidation
oasthouse [2d\]: An advantage of doing it live is that people who join in the middle can see her live comments.
BGAadmin [-\]: mm, yes
oasthouse [2d\]: I need to leave now, but I could help with typing later if you do such a scheme
BGAadmin [-\]: thank you - it's a good idea, if people who can hear the audio are willing to do it
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has used 102 minutes; Matthew has used 28.
Backflash [10k\]: it is the 3rd
BGAadmin [-\]: the 3rd?
Backflash [10k\]: move
nocturne19 [2d\]: m16
nocturne19 [2d\]: ;)
Backflash [10k\]: is it 3 hour or 2?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: 180 hours
Backflash [10k\]: sure
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;W[qe]C[BGAadmin [-\]: 3 hours
Backflash [10k\]: thx
BGAadmin [-\]: plus 10 stones in 10 minutes Canadian overtime
Backflash [10k\]: we have a chance to see middle game
BGAadmin [-\]: which oasthouse demonstrated, IIRC, can be used Really Quite A Lot back when he was in the title match
BGAadmin [-\]: Matthew has now used more than half an hour - 31 minutes in fact
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has used ... 105, I think
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;B[ob]C[BGAadmin [-\]: well, 104
maproomad [-\]: this must be Matthew's longest think so far
BGAadmin [-\]: I think so, yes
BGAadmin [-\]: well, it was, I mean. I really begin to think I should just jolly well mark the time taken for each move, since I always end up wondering
maproomad [-\]: it might be interesting to show such a record to Nick after the game
BGAadmin [-\]: yes
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;W[qc]C[BGAadmin [-\]: move 28 at w107 :)
BGAadmin [-\]: starting now's too late really, but ...
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;B[rk]C[BGAadmin [-\]: move 29 at b35
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;W[ql]C[BGAadmin [-\]: move 30 at w113
BGAadmin [-\]: has everyone else gone to sleep, by the way?
maproomad [-\]: in their previous game, they played 46 moves before the lunch break
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;B[ro]C[BGAadmin [-\]: move 31 at b36
BGAadmin [-\]: hah
BGAadmin [-\]: I don't see that happening this time, assuming we plan to break at 1300 again
BGAadmin [-\]: so to whoever asked whether Nick hadn't learnt anything about time management last time: evidence is ... er ... not really
maproomad [-\]: yes - at 13:00 the ref will announce the sealed move
omgn00b [7k\]: what hour is in uk?
maproomad [-\]: 12:30
guest003 [-\]: show some guts..play white d3 and pray for the stones on the right side
guest003 [-\]: white n9 is the safe way to play...but why play safely and lose?
Tien [6d\]: Something like o6 would be interesting
EpicPhail [2k\]: F6 for style bonus
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;W[kc]C[BGAadmin [-\]: I observe that this is presumably going to surprise you
BGAadmin [-\]: oh, move 32 at w119
guest003 [-\]: o6 isn't sente on the black group either..so it loses the struggle 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: f6 and you are instantly banned from go forever
kejitsuu [8k\]: time update please !
guest003 [-\]: yes l17 is ok...seeks out blacks shape and extends form hoshi...so white has decided to play shinogi
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has used 119 minutes; Matthew has used 38
Uberdude [4d?\]: L16 seems more like shape to me here
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;B[le]C[BGAadmin [-\]: move 33 at b39
guest003 [-\]: m18?
ikewa [9k\]: d3
Iciac [3k\]: e5 opening? Interesting
BGAadmin [-\]: Matthew has just pointed out to Nick that he (Nick) has one hour left. Actually 57 minutes, but I'm not quibbling
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick said thank you
sgjiehui [5d\]: lol
guest003 [-\]: sounds more like father time turning the sandbox...and pointing ut you time is almost over ....the grimm reaper
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;W[ke]C[BGAadmin [-\]: it would be deeply inappropriate for me to *actually* lol so just assume I would if I could
BGAadmin [-\]: move 34 at w124
Iciac [3k\]: Before folding up the newspaper and standing aside like someone waiting for a train.
goblinking [1d?\]: w has used a lot of time .. .but he seems to be more than ok at this stage of his fuseki (especially against someone 3d stronger which proposed an unusual fuseki in final)
BGAadmin [-\]: well - I think the concensus is that Nick's playing strength is well above 3d, he just ... loses on time a lot
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w is behind, nonetheless
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;B[kf]C[BGAadmin [-\]: it's very tempting to point out that SE doesn't think so :)
bert [2d\]: SE sees things humans don't
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;W[je]C[BGAadmin [-\]: move 36 is at w126
isuck [1k\]: or humans see things 
isuck [1k\]: SE doesnt
largehc [?\]: SE can't see things humans can
maproomad [-\]: The sealed move will be in ten minutes
goblinking [1d?\]: warfreak, could you explain ow you see b ahead ?
isuck [1k\]: seal for lunch?
BGAadmin [-\]: yes
bert [2d\]: normally u wouldn't expect a program to be able to hallucinate, but SE does
isuck [1k\]: how long is lunch
BGAadmin [-\]: maproomad: I'll relay that to the players, if you agree, once Nick's come back from his current wander
leachy [3k\]: SE hasn't any eyes
BGAadmin [-\]: isuck: an hour
Warfreak2 [4d\]: goblin, w's r8 group is a liability
Warfreak2 [4d\]: r8 move itself seems slow
goblinking [1d?\]: true
arjun [?\]: SE does not see, it computes with a not too good algorithm.
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;B[lc]C[goblinking [1d?\]: but is it enough to evaluate the overall position ?
BGAadmin [-\]: move 37 is at b47
Luffyop [1d\]: black didn't played M13 O-o ? 
BGAadmin [-\]: no, he definitely didn't
BGAadmin [-\]: :)
Luffyop [1d\]: ok i must have messed up with guojuan commentary XD thx
maproomad [-\]: The sealed move will be called in 10 minutes
maproomad [-\]: five minutes
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;W[fc]C[DanielTom [-\]: o-:
BGAadmin [-\]: move 38 at w131
DanielTom [-\]: bad move
BGAadmin [-\]: black has used ... 48 minutes
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;B[fr]C[DanielTom [-\]: ...
BGAadmin [-\]: or perhaps he had then used a little less than 48 minutes, since he's now used barely any more than that
guest003 [-\]: black has found another way to tickle that group
BGAadmin [-\]: I expect the ref to appear to take the sealed move shortly
DanielTom [-\]: this is a bit unfairfor Nick
BGAadmin [-\]: yep, here he is
DanielTom [-\]: Matthew should have played it as the sealed move
BGAadmin [-\]: now, let's hope this isn't one of Nick's 20 minute thinks ...!
sgjiehui [5d\]:  e4
EpicPhail [2k\]: ask matthew if that was a missclick
BGAadmin [-\]: I can't, he's left the room
Warfreak2 [4d\]: he's gone to get a beer
IRONBALLS [2d\]: E4 seems the only move
BGAadmin [-\]: e4 would never even occur to me, I'm almost bewildered by it :)
BGAadmin [-\]: a good exampleof why I continue puny
Warfreak2 [4d\]: who says e4 is good
isuck [1k\]: guo juan
isuck [1k\]: i trust her :)
snowmen [3d\]: Math overlooked e4??
isuck [1k\]: maybe not as b still gets huge corner out of it
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i am not convinced by e4
Jeromin [9k?\]: how many games is the final played for?
BGAadmin [-\]: it is a best-of-three
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has just remarked that Matthew is good at timing his move-before-sealed-moves, presumably, I infer, because Nick feels Matthew's cunningly getting a longer lunch :)
Jeromin [9k?\]: thx. So Nick has to win...
BGAadmin [-\]: yep
aldene [4d\]: is it possible to see the game so far please?
BGAadmin [-\]: if you clone this game or view offline you can scroll through it
leachy [3k\]: matthew wins lunch
EpicPhail [2k\]: yes options - clone
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has played his sealed move, at minute 139
Jeromin [9k?\]: funny how they play in each other's home.
aldene [4d\]: thank you :)
dangerzone [6k\]: lunch-suji.
BGAadmin [-\]: we will now break for lunch and be back in one hour
BGAadmin [-\]: that is, at 1408 BST
BGAadmin [-\]: see you all anon!
leachy [3k\]: thanks for nice broadcast! ;)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i keep thinking that jenny is anon
Wagaboo [5k\]: hello
Chilltime [2d\]: .
maproomad [-\]: Nothing will happen here for the next hour
maproomad [-\]: the players are having lunch
AndrewTao [6d\]: E4
Jeromin [9k?\]: any good reviews in another room?
maproomad [-\]: in an hour (13:08 UTC) the sealed move will be opened and put on the board
highhand [5k\]: how come in the other demo game there is already a white move?
highhand [5k\]: responding to F2
Ignatius [1k\]: that is variations by goujuan
Rawrie [4k?\]: How did the first match go if i may ask?
Cobweb [2k\]: Matthew won
aldene [4d\]: by resignation
BGAadmin [-\]: Play will resume in 5 minutes.  
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick K is playing the piano and Matthew is in the vegetable garden
BGAadmin [-\]: Kirsty is taking over recording from Jenny this afternoon
Warfreak2 [4d\]: what is he playing?
BGAadmin [-\]: Sorry in advance for all the errors
Jeromin [9k?\]: Wagner
Uberdude [4d?\]: chopin's funeral march?
Jeromin [9k?\]: Mozart's requiem
BGAadmin [-\]: Debussey arabesque no 1
Rawrie [4k?\]: Is that by your ear or did you ask BGAadmin? ;K)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: the correct answer was "the piano"
Jeromin [9k?\]: don't know that piece
BGAadmin [-\]: I asked Nick K
Backflash [10k\]: this game....
BGAadmin [-\]: The sealed move is coming out of the envelope
Jeromin [9k?\]: cool
guest003 [-\]: hooray and there was rejoycing
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i bet it's atari
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;W[ep]C[BGAadmin [-\]: (Nick Wedds top pocket)
BGAadmin [-\]: ANd now we have it
Warfreak2 [4d\]: hoorah
G0DoFWAR [1k\]: big war begins now
maproomad [-\]: E4 is the sealed move
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;B[fp]
;W[fq]
;B[eq]C[wingnut: video stream broke?
maproomad [-\]: I shall try to fix the video stream
Warfreak2 [4d\]: extend already
Iciac [3k\]: White doesn't have the ladder.
Warfreak2 [4d\]: white doesn't have any ladders at all
guest003 [-\]: which vicious move do i miss..this isn't the best variation for black accoring to my reading
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;W[dp]C[IFailHard [16k?\]: YES we do
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;B[dq]C[IFailHard [16k?\]: lol wrong chat
BGAadmin [-\]: his is the British Championship Game 2
Iciac [3k\]: cutting at f5 still looks problematic for w
guest003 [-\]: yes sacrifice a stone at c3 i would think
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;W[cq]C[Iciac [3k\]: c4 d5 c5 d6 c2 ?
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick Wedd is trying to fix the video
royu [3d\]: i ilke w
royu [3d\]: like*
Iciac [3k\]: how is g4?
G0DoFWAR [1k\]: gives thickness
guest003 [-\]: c4 d5 c5 d6 c2 c6 b3 f6 geta
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;B[cr]C[guest003 [-\]: not really geta since black can push at g4 but that wouldn't harm white at all
BGAadmin [-\]: video working again
guest003 [-\]: so c4 cut is impossible c2 is only move
Iciac [3k\]: okay
maproomad [-\]: vdeo is fixed  :)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: c4 cut not impossible, just don't play c5 too
guest003 [-\]: now white may choose b4 or c4
guest003 [-\]: white can play d5 too tto threaten b2 nidanbane
guest003 [-\]: this corner is like dynamyte
Warfreak2 [4d\]: what's the advantage of b4 over c4
BGAadmin [-\]: Matthew has used 55 minutes and Nick K 2 hours and 27 minutes
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i vote for nick
Uberdude [4d?\]: Warfreak2, it means nick needs to think for more than 1 minute for the next move
Uberdude [4d?\]: oh i mistead
Uberdude [4d?\]: tohugh you said why b c2 not c4
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;W[cp]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: b's move will be b2 either way
Uberdude [4d?\]: this looks like a 5-4 press joseki
BGAadmin [-\]: black is thinking about it
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;B[gr]C[Iciac [3k\]: keeping pressure on the side
BGAadmin [-\]: nowwhite is thinking about it
Warfreak2 [4d\]: atari f5
oasthouse [2d\]: this doesn't look good for b
mhelvens [6k?\]: It's good that the players are thinking. Otherwise it would be a silly game. :-)
BGAadmin [-\]: true
guest003 [-\]: yes black hasn't got the best variation h3 for white and be glad with the result
Warfreak2 [4d\]: go is a silly game
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;W[hq]C[JL [9k\]: Where can I see the order of the moves?
JL [9k\]: from start til now
JL [9k\]: ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: options -> view offline
JL [9k\]: :D
]
;B[br]C[JL [9k\]: ty
G0DoFWAR [1k\]: f4e5 evil ajis
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;W[fo]
;B[nl]C[guest003 [-\]: it are just dead stones now dangling on a magnificient wall
guest003 [-\]: so this was white shonogi...this group is suffering from the tenuki l17
guest003 [-\]: shinogi
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w should have f5 before h3
guest003 [-\]: o9 is the way out..so that seems obvious
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;W[nk]C[oasthouse [2d\]: delicate point Warfreak2
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;B[mk]C[oasthouse [2d\]: if w does that maybe b can resist at h3 and cut off the lower side?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: he can, but i think that's better than leaving f4 stone on the board
Warfreak2 [4d\]: without that aji w can develop left side
oasthouse [2d\]: but f4 stone is locally captured now
oasthouse [2d\]: so w is very happy
Warfreak2 [4d\]: that is why f4 is aji rather than a cutting stone
oasthouse [2d\]: that's good, because I want to see a third game :)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i guess you won't
guest003 [-\]: yes the time-issue
oasthouse [2d\]: if b g4 then w h6 knight move is a capture, right?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: yes
guest003 [-\]: Kristy are you relaying now?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: just about
maproomad [-\]: BGAadmin, how much time have they left now?
oasthouse [2d\]: so w is delighted
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;W[ml]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: w would be happier if that f4 stone was in his lid
Uberdude [4d?\]: unless they were playing shogi
toffee [3d\]: b total failure on the left.
BGAadmin [-\]: Matthew has used 57 minutes.  Nick Ha s used 2 hours and 40 minutes
BGAadmin [-\]: has
guest003 [-\]: yes...so 20 minutes remain for nick to bring home a scalp
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;B[ll]C[guest003 [-\]: and a wonderful salp it is today ^^
toffee [3d\]: nick w or b?
guest003 [-\]: see up
toffee [3d\]: ok, w
BGAadmin [-\]: nick is white
largehc [?\]: can't see
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;W[mm]C[toffee [3d\]: sorry, color blind.
largehc [?\]: android
toffee [3d\]: That's my problem, I frequently mistake other sides' stones to be mine...
Prioxity [-\]: You should just play one-color-go and you'd have the adventage.
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;B[nm]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: nick can sacrifice some of left side if he make thickness
mhelvens [6k?\]: I wonder. Do people also play one-color-chess? What about one-color-tic-tac-toe? :-)
Prioxity [-\]: Yes that's probably the best way to go.
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i play one-colour tennis
guest003 [-\]: you rang sir
Prioxity [-\]: How does that work, Warfreak2?
mhelvens [6k?\]: The ball is the same color as the sky.
Warfreak2 [4d\]: the ball is yellow on both sides of the court.
guest003 [-\]: o6 to be sacrificed and get p7 and p8 in sente..makes already one eye and n10 secures a way out..that doesn't seem to be so bad
mhelvens [6k?\]: I'm going to go back to one-color programming. (White code on a white background.) It requires some skill...
Uberdude [4d?\]: p7 and p8 in sente sucks
Warfreak2 [4d\]: whitespace?
guest003 [-\]: aha black then plays p7 empty triangle ^^
Uberdude [4d?\]: don't want to live small
mhelvens [6k?\]: No, Java. Just some interesting editor settings.
guest003 [-\]: yes but what would you play then
Prioxity [-\]: Nice, Warfreak2. I've never tried that before.
guest003 [-\]: o6 n6 m7 p7 q7 p6 n10 m9 o11  seems a nice way for white
]
;W[mj]
;B[lk]
;W[ni]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: it will be a nice way for white if you play silly moves as black yes
goblinking [1d?\]: guest : o6 n6 m7 p7 q7 p6 doesn't seem urgent in the sequence ?
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;B[og]C[guest003 [-\]: i am afraid black will soon play m7 so i tried to force those n8 stones out
Warfreak2 [4d\]: black is never forced to play n6 atari
Warfreak2 [4d\]: unless you will sacrifice two stones at o6 and p6
guest003 [-\]: and just before n10 the sequence there is sente...later black may ay i sacrifice o7
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if you o6 b just p7 directly
guest003 [-\]: yes that empty triangle tesuji...always delutes ...
crys: m12 ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: add water to taste
Sakae [3d\]: how much time does nick have?
goblinking [1d?\]: w n6 and then l11 ?
BGAadmin [-\]: 10 minutes
guest003 [-\]: l12 is the place in view of l15 stones...but l12 has a weakspot at m11
Amoamasa [3d?\]: I look away for just 30 minutes and all this happens
Warfreak2 [4d\]: just 30 minutes
ikewa [9k\]: overtime?
guest003 [-\]: so l11 b m7 most likely
Amoamasa [3d?\]: ^^
Warfreak2 [4d\]: nick has been known to play a whole game in 30 minutes
Amoamasa [3d?\]: seems pretty good for White lower left
BGAadmin [-\]: Overtime is 10 stones in 10 minutes
guest003 [-\]: yes we described black f4 already as being the overplay ofmatthew
guest003 [-\]: and white punished him properly
EpicPhail [2k\]: time of b and w?
BGAadmin [-\]: black 1 hour and five mins
BGAadmin [-\]: White 2 hours and 52 mins
EpicPhail [2k\]: thanks
Warfreak2 [4d\]: rob says overtime is 10 stones in 10 minutes in 10 minutes
toadwarble [7k?\]: No TV any more?
guest003 [-\]: so now we wait for the next newbee who will ask the same questions
guest003 [-\]: m10 or L11..how to decide
BGAadmin [-\]: TV is on
Warfreak2 [4d\]: why are they watching tv? they should focus on the game
toadwarble [7k?\]: Says "off air" for me
guest003 [-\]: the game is on tv
goblinking [1d?\]: guest03 : L11 has more style than m10
Warfreak2 [4d\]: they can see the game for themselves, they don't need to watch it on tv
Scharlach [1d\]: or they just play moves from another game they watch on tv?
guest003 [-\]: is that so l11 could be hampered by m10 m11 n12 too
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;W[lm]C[toffee [3d\]: too slow
BGAadmin [-\]: guys stop making me giggle
BGAadmin [-\]: it didturbs the players
BGAadmin [-\]: disturbs
guest003 [-\]: oh..white says first this side...then 06 becomes a threat again
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i will make sure to only do it on matthew's turn
toffee [3d\]: q7
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;B[nn]
;W[km]C[guest003 [-\]: so then i would still be more happy to have plyed o6 p7 exchange earlier
]
;B[jl]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: yes, i think it would have been a good exchange
guest003 [-\]: Nick must be singing: bring the boys back home in his mind
guest003 [-\]: if he manages to achieve that...he has a fair chance of winning
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i think he is singing "i will survive"
guest003 [-\]: nope he ain't american
BGAadmin [-\]: he looks pretty calm
BGAadmin [-\]: but only has two minutes left
Elch [2d?\]: is white in byo yomi?
KGSPlayer [-\]: run white run!
BGAadmin [-\]: no two minutes of main time
Warfreak2 [4d\]: white will be in byo-yomi next move
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;W[ki]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Jenny has come in to observe the fun
]
;B[jj]
;W[ji]
;B[lj]C[BGAadmin [-\]: NIcks flag is up
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;W[li]
;B[mh]C[starlightp: Hi, Geoff here.  Ask Jenny about the candidates yurt.
]
;W[mi]C[BGAadmin [-\]: not big enough
starlightp: What about Mike Lynn?
Symbolic [24k?\]: is this the end of the game?
BGAadmin [-\]: I think there is a little left to play for
Symbolic [24k?\]: ok
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;B[jm]C[Symbolic [24k?\]: looks like w is winning
Warfreak2 [4d\]: *unconvinced face*
guest003 [-\]: white is winning and we keep our fingers crossed for him to bring it home
BGAadmin [-\]: no comment
Elch [2d?\]: i dont think white is winning
Elch [2d?\]: what is lee se troll thinking about it?
BGAadmin [-\]: Nicks flag has fallen. The clock has been wound back
verybad [6k\]: Where in Britian is game hosted?
BGAadmin [-\]: Oxford
verybad [6k\]: thanks
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick is arguing about clock setting
goblinking [1d?\]: can't say w has a huge advance, but he's far better than 30 moves beofre
Symbolic [24k?\]: it did look like a cheap clock
Amoamasa [3d?\]: he is saying it wasn't set to 10 min?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: what colour is the clock?
Symbolic [24k?\]: white
BGAadmin [-\]: Yes he was
verybad [6k\]: has the time been paused whilst he talks about it?
Symbolic [24k?\]: they're playing in a kitchen
BGAadmin [-\]: No a library
Symbolic [24k?\]: looks like a kitchen
BGAadmin [-\]: The maproom in fact
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no food or drink in the library, please
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;W[fn]C[BGAadmin [-\]: We are surrounded by atlases
Warfreak2 [4d\]: atli
Amoamasa [3d?\]: I've played RfTG on that table.
goblinking [1d?\]: unexpected move ...
Carl [5k\]: rftg?
guest003 [-\]: f6 kills the aji
Amoamasa [3d?\]: Card game: race for the galaxy
guest003 [-\]: f4 is now properly in geta
Symbolic [24k?\]: how much time is left on the clock? since the 180 is just stuck here
Carl [5k\]: :O
guest003 [-\]: white is in byoyomi
nutkin [1d\]: how many stones in ten minutes?
Mr0815 [16k\]: 10
BGAadmin [-\]: 10 stones in 10 minutes
Symbolic [24k?\]: how much time does MM have?
BGAadmin [-\]: matthew has 1hour and 50 minutes left
Warfreak2 [4d\]: milanmilan is not playing this game
Symbolic [24k?\]: so he's only used 30m...
BGAadmin [-\]: 3 hours each
Symbolic [24k?\]: lol mm is milan MM is mat
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;B[hj]C[leachy [3k\]: no he used 1hr 10mins
Brilliant [6k\]: Am I correct to prefer Matthew's position? 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: mm is millimetres
Symbolic [24k?\]: oh
verybad [6k\]: It would be nice if kgs could log the time, hwoever it's an issue with person inputting stones to be on the ball
leachy [3k\]: not to mention mighty mouse
Symbolic [24k?\]: then what is mimi?
guest003 [-\]: if you prefe some small points rather thena moyo...you might like being black
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i vote for k9
verybad [6k\]: maybe plug clock into computer...feed into kgs time settings?
Carl [5k\]: usb clock eh lol
guest003 [-\]: always bring a K9..it intimidates any mortal soul
Symbolic [24k?\]: j9 just cuz...
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;W[ik]C[guest003 [-\]: strikes at the heart of the shape
Symbolic [24k?\]: wow i'm the only 20k watching this game >.>
Symbolic [24k?\]: i was right!!!
Symbolic [24k?\]: hahahahaha
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;B[ij]C[guest003 [-\]: l5 m4 brings the whites home to friendly base k3
Warfreak2 [4d\]: k9 only consistent choice
]
;W[jf]C[guest003 [-\]: so can the k9 dog now snap?
Elch [2d?\]: how much time w has left?
Symbolic [24k?\]: 4
guest003 [-\]: he is in byo
BGAadmin [-\]: 5 minutes for 8 stones
goblinking [1d?\]: K14  is a very big move with good timing ...
BGAadmin [-\]: 7 stones
Warfreak2 [4d\]: good timing?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: why peep at j9 first?
oasthouse [2d\]: peep seems wrong
]
;B[ip]C[Elch [2d?\]: i want an ip ban for lee se troll xD
Warfreak2 [4d\]: the strongest troll in the world?
Sanuye [?\]: hello I am new
Warfreak2 [4d\]: hello new
verybad [6k\]: Hello new, I'm hungry
morera: trolls arent strong, even though their hairstyle may suggest otherwise
Sanuye [?\]: hello Warfreak
goblinking [1d?\]: w J3 and the geta still works ...
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;W[iq]C[Sanuye [?\]: what is the general consenus on the game? who is winning?
verybad [6k\]: black
]
;B[kn]C[verybad [6k\]: because he has time
Sanuye [?\]: ah, I see
Warfreak2 [4d\]: now j9 bad exchange for sure
Elch [2d?\]: how many moves does w need in this byo yomi period?
BGAadmin [-\]: white has three minutes for 6 stones
goblinking [1d?\]: what do u see : an opinion doesn't make a "general consensu"
Elch [2d?\]: lol
Elch [2d?\]: thx
BGAadmin [-\]: black has used 1 hour and 15 mins
verybad [6k\]: whats the penalty for timing out?
leachy [3k\]: black had a very comfortable game from early on until he decided to play f2 etc and now white has a chance though black still ahead
Elch [2d?\]: losing very
Elch [2d?\]: lol
]
;W[dj]C[verybad [6k\]: sometimes you get points deducted ..but not loses
morera: who won the first match?
verybad [6k\]: lose*
]
;B[kg]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Matthew won the first match
Sanuye [?\]: MM will presumably try to mix things up now that his opponent is short on thinking time?
]
;W[ih]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: or he will win
SqueezeIt [2d\]: warfreak why don't you play? are you in China?
]
;B[bd]C[Kizamu [2k\]: is it best of 3? or best of...
Elch [2d?\]: best of 1
Elch [2d?\]: xD
BGAadmin [-\]: best of 3
Warfreak2 [4d\]: one does not simply catbus into the british title match
HumDrum [6k\]: catbus?
]
;W[cc]C[Bolkonsky [5d\]: c17 is seldom a good move in this position
]
;B[ch]
;W[ci]C[BGAadmin [-\]: nicks flag is up 
Elch [2d?\]: so he lost by time?
BGAadmin [-\]: not yet
Elch [2d?\]: ?
sgjiehui [5d\]: lol...
goblinking [1d?\]: i suppose he loose if the flag fall
IFailHard [16k?\]: nope... he has 10 moves in 10 mins now
Elch [2d?\]: ah so he has 2 more minutes
purun [4k\]: what does the flag mean?
]
;B[dh]
;W[fj]C[BGAadmin [-\]: on the clock
]
;B[bc]
;W[ce]C[BGAadmin [-\]: another 10 stones
purun [4k\]: oooh
Warfreak2 [4d\]: hopefully another ten minutes too
purun [4k\]: thanks for the explanation
]
;B[be]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Kirsty and I (Jenny) have swapped again
Elch [2d?\]: jenny?
Elch [2d?\]: kirsty?
sgjiehui [5d\]: lolzzz
w00t [2d\]: b take corner, w take two
BGAadmin [-\]: Kirsty was being BGA admin, since lunchtime; I'm the BGA's Tournaments Person
]
;W[cf]C[BGAadmin [-\]: I was relaying before lunch
sgjiehui [5d\]: w did not hane
Elch [2d?\]: in England Women are relaying games .... i wanna be british now
sgjiehui [5d\]: sorry 
sgjiehui [5d\]: wrong game
maproomad [-\]: I shall try again to fix the webcast
BGAadmin [-\]: last year one of the two competitors in this match was female. Your point, Elch?
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;B[bf]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: and a man made the tea
nochance [-\]: kwa jie hui
verybad [6k\]: elch obviously hasn't seen british women
Elch [2d?\]: oO now iam even more amazed
]
;W[bh]
;B[bg]
;W[bi]
;B[cb]
;W[db]
;B[cd]
;W[dc]C[fairgo1 [3d\]: Is there live feed for this game? I can't seem to find it =/
BGAadmin [-\]: to be fair, we only have one really strong woman; she's ... 16 now, I think?
BGAadmin [-\]: and has exams so can't compete this year
BGAadmin [-\]: maproomad is trying to mend the live video feed
sgjiehui [5d\]: lol
Sanuye [?\]: Vanessa Wong?
sgjiehui [5d\]: yep
verybad [6k\]: she's our champ
Sanuye [?\]: only sixteen wowm I thought she was older
BGAadmin [-\]: Vanessa? She might be, I lose track of time
]
;B[ef]C[goblinking [1d?\]: w have anice chance for win now
verybad [6k\]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1OTrjdJMYo
BGAadmin [-\]: he has also 5 stones and 8 minutes to play them in
]
;W[de]C[sgjiehui [5d\]: shes 15
sgjiehui [5d\]: going 16
verybad [6k\]: sanuye reminded me of a song
]
;B[cg]C[BGAadmin [-\]: incidentally, to clarify: yes, Nick will lose if he runs out of time while he still has stones to play
maproomad [-\]: I don't think I can fix the webcast
sgjiehui [5d\]: lol
profan [-\]: is there a webcam of this game?
BGAadmin [-\]: there was, but unfortunately it has broken
verybad [6k\]: not atm
sgjiehui [5d\]: yes but some prob
maproomad [-\]: not any more
maproomad [-\]: I don't think I can fix it
verybad [6k\]: welcome to britian..broken economy, broken webcast, broken sense of humour
morera: it's funny because this joke is all straight
maproomad [-\]: it says "I"m sorry, the resource you requested cannot be found"
BGAadmin [-\]: EuroGoTV does, or the webcam, or ...?
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;W[fh]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Nick now has 3 stones and 5 minutes
verybad [6k\]: ustream works well..and is free
clydesdale [2k\]: b ahead
BGAadmin [-\]: m, no, looks like maproomad tried that and it says the page requested cannot be found - looking at the laptop the camera's connected t
morera: you're just saying that cause he's 6dan
maproomad [-\]: could be the webcam, or the laptop, or its connection to ustream, or ustream's connection to eurogotv, or something inside eurogotv
BGAadmin [-\]: ah
maproomad [-\]: the error message comes from ustream
BGAadmin [-\]: I think the teabag's been in Nick's mug of tea for an hour and a half
]
;B[eh]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: so the tea is almost as strong as matthew
]
;W[fg]
;B[eg]
;W[ge]
;B[pb]C[Spec: After white b18, what would black do?
verybad [6k\]: i get the feeling white is about 20 points ahead
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has about three minutes to play this last stone; do we think he will use them all?
morera: clearly he's more afraid of facing the tea by now
Loiro [3k\]: Spec, d14?
Spec: Yeah, I just saw. Silly me.
]
;W[qb]C[Timk [2k\]: but b18 is sente..
]
;B[of]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has used this set of overtime and another starts
BGAadmin [-\]: Matthew is, oh, only about 3 minutes short of an hour and a half used ...
NomDePlume [4k\]: Making clocks run slowly is a 4d power-up.
moichido [3k\]: lol
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;W[pe]
;B[re]
;W[rd]
;B[rf]
;W[pc]
;B[ek]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Nick used the first 5 minutes of that overtime thinking about the first move, but used three stones in quick succession
verybad [6k\]: wow
BGAadmin [-\]: I believe the video is live again
verybad [6k\]: whoa...what will come of this
maproomad [-\]: it is!
]
;W[ej]
;B[gl]C[maproomad [-\]: I found that it was still going out, but to some Italian channel instead of to EuroGoTV
BGAadmin [-\]: good grief, how odd
NomDePlume [4k\]: If it's not on YouTube, it didn't happen - there should be a re-enactment of the last few moves for posterity.
profan [-\]: can you tell me the link of webcam?
maproomad [-\]: not our fault, I am sure
maproomad [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-UK
]
;W[el]
;B[kb]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has 3 minutes to play 5 stones
]
;W[jb]
;B[jc]
;W[ic]
;B[kd]
;W[bb]
;B[ab]
;W[ba]
;B[df]C[BGAadmin [-\]: and now 2 to play 1 stone
BGAadmin [-\]: the skills that won him the British Lightning last year may be in evidence in his time management here. Or not, views may vary :)
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;W[mr]C[NomDePlume [4k\]: It's odd that MM plays a sente sequence whenever Nick is short of time. Us lesser players save our trickiest moves for those moments.
]
;B[nr]C[basicpract [-\]: Matt plays an honorable game
BGAadmin [-\]: and onto the ... what is it ... fourth set of overtime?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: matthew just plays correctly because he expects to win
]
;W[lq]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: he doesn't need to take advantage of nick's clock
]
;B[mq]
;W[lp]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Matthew's clock has now gone over the 90 minute mark; he has used half of his main time
]
;B[jo]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: w could have m2 in sente
BGAadmin [-\]: I must be very dim; why is it sente?
Alligato [1d\]: n5
Warfreak2 [4d\]: against w m6
Warfreak2 [4d\]: in fact w need not m2 anyway
morera: gotta be more careful alligato
Warfreak2 [4d\]: m3 was already sente
morera: b can still cut
Warfreak2 [4d\]: oh, b can double hane
Ocyl [10k\]: what about l2 for black?
]
;W[in]C[Iciac [3k\]: j5 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: j18
]
;B[ib]
;W[hb]
;B[ja]C[verybad [6k\]: verydim
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has 6 stones in 6 minutes
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b+res
verybad [6k\]: i will use that name
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i think it's a david bowie reference
Javaness [3d\]: K19 is a david bowie reference?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i'd rather play here with all the madmen, for i'm quite convinced they're all the same as me
]
;W[bq]
;B[ar]C[vijay [?\]: is it broadcast?
toffee [3d\]: w was good in the begining. lost it in the endgame.
BGAadmin [-\]: vijay - yes, http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-UK should give the feed
]
;W[hc]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has 3 minutes for his next 4 stones
Javaness [3d\]: I see matthew is recording the game
BGAadmin [-\]: indeed he is
Javaness [3d\]: what colour of pen is he using?
BGAadmin [-\]: red for white, black for black
Warfreak2 [4d\]: shouldn't that important question have been in bold
BGAadmin [-\]: but the answer couldn't have been, whihc is tricky
]
;B[jg]
;W[ig]C[BGAadmin [-\]: I can't believe that once again no one's asked me what the players are wearing, either - unless someone asked while Kirsty was relaying?
toffee [3d\]: b is making thousand little cuts to w.
Spec: What is the man in the background wearing?
]
;B[lr]
;W[kr]
;B[ms]C[BGAadmin [-\]: maproomad? a tweed waistcoat and a checked shirt
morera: we've come to understand that no matter how many times we ask, it's never going to be the skin of their enemies
BGAadmin [-\]: ahhh, I see
]
;W[hm]C[NomDePlume [4k\]: If MM were not recording the game, he'd use less than an hour!
]
;B[jn]C[BGAadmin [-\]: I'm not convinced; early on, particularly, he was careful to record on Nick's time, I think
]
;W[gk]C[BGAadmin [-\]: that was the last of the fourth overtime period; we will enter the fifth when Matthew has next moved
Prioxity [-\]: Can't he remember the game?
BGAadmin [-\]: probably; I did vaguely ask him why he did the recording but I don't think I had an answer
]
;B[hl]C[Prioxity [-\]: It seems like White is winning the game
BGAadmin [-\]: I believe that pre-KGS-broadcasts someone like me sat and wrote it out on paper for them
]
;W[hk]
;B[il]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Matthew has now used 100 minutes
]
;W[fl]
;B[rm]C[aldene [4d\]: what is komi?
Spec: 7.5
dangerzone [6k\]: I think 7.5.
BGAadmin [-\]: 7.5
aldene [4d\]: wow
dangerzone [6k\]: Makes sense with area counting.
]
;W[rl]C[BGAadmin [-\]: I think the game info should all be accurate, by the way
]
;B[sl]
;W[rn]
;B[sn]C[aldene [4d\]: and what it Nick's time left?
]
;W[qm]
;B[sm]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has 8 minutes and 5 stones of this overtime period
aldene [4d\]: thank you 
BGAadmin [-\]: you're welcome
PinkPanda [2d\]: np
PinkPanda [2d\]: :3
]
;W[rh]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has 4 stones and 7 minutes and has just played  a move I am totally flummoxed by
]
;B[qh]
;W[qj]C[largehc [?\]: is flummoxed a real word?
BGAadmin [-\]: yes
crys: s12 is strange
BGAadmin [-\]: it means ... confused
]
;B[ri]C[maproomad [-\]: my guess is s12 is a sacrifice to get several nearby moves in in sente
largehc [?\]: i see
BGAadmin [-\]: ahh
aldene [4d\]: difficult to tell the score
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has 5 minutes and 3 stones
hiss [-\]: may be s12 was played so that r10 can't be responded with  r11 
]
;W[qo]
;B[rp]C[BGAadmin [-\]: 2 stones and about 3.5 minutes
morera: time cutting short
BGAadmin [-\]: relative to one or two of the earlier overtime periods? nah, not yet
BGAadmin [-\]: the hour hand is barely pushing the flag yet
]
;W[jk]
;B[kj]C[Spec: I count white slightly ahead, but black has a bunch of good engdame moves left. Would h2 be enough for white? Maybe...
BGAadmin [-\]: ah, I've been looking forward to this move with great confusion
largehc [?\]: time moves only
BGAadmin [-\]: oh, and now I see what I was missing, silly me
largehc [?\]: lol
]
;W[hi]C[BGAadmin [-\]: I *am* a puny 4k and out of practice to boot
morera: meh, this overtime ended too soon
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick moves onto his 6th overtime
]
;B[kl]C[BGAadmin [-\]: (if I've counted correctly)
morera: sounds probable
sgjiehui [5d\]: whats the komi?
BGAadmin [-\]: we've had 4hr45 of main time, plus one hour of lunch, in the last 6hr30, near enough
BGAadmin [-\]: komi is 7.5
SR123 [4k\]: Looks very close from my view
]
;W[nh]C[mw2a [1k\]: i think the board is tied
]
;B[mg]C[BGAadmin [-\]: *tied*? Or undetermined
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has just noticed that his tea is overbrewed
BGAadmin [-\]: and cold
mw2a [1k\]: tied like white is winning by komi
BGAadmin [-\]: were there anyone else in the room I'd ask them to go and do something about it, but I can't leave the game
]
;W[ng]C[BGAadmin [-\]: ah, I see, thank you mw2a
]
;B[nf]C[mw2a [1k\]: yw, the first one is free
morera: but i guess it's tearing you on the inside
morera: to see a man with tea of low temp
BGAadmin [-\]: it is so *terribly* Bad Britishness
]
;W[jd]
;B[qa]
;W[ra]C[IFailHard [16k?\]: lol cold tea tastes bad 
morera: and it is the british go championship is it not
]
;B[pa]C[BGAadmin [-\]: exactly
]
;W[rb]
;B[ho]C[BGAadmin [-\]: tea is vile stuff, but it is a crime that we are letting him have cold tea
]
;W[hn]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has 4 stones and 5 minutes, after that little flurry
]
;B[hp]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Matthew still has 75 minutes of main time
mw2a [1k\]: lol
]
;W[gp]
;B[gm]
;W[gn]
;B[gi]C[morera: surely he can go get nick a cup with so much time in his hands
Spec: What was the score of the first game?
]
;W[hh]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: resign
BGAadmin [-\]: Matthew won the first game by resignation
Spec: Thank you
liusasori [3d\]: i count b ahead by about 3.5 
Spec: Including komi for white?
liusasori [3d\]: yes
]
;B[hr]C[BGAadmin [-\]: oh - and according to the European Go Database, Nick has so far recorded six tournament losses (including the first title match game) and no wins against Matthew
]
;W[po]C[Symbolic [24k?\]: so he sucks basically?
BGAadmin [-\]: and he has the same result against uberdude ...
BGAadmin [-\]: no, no he doesn't suck
mw2a [1k\]: troll, be gone
BGAadmin [-\]: oh, overtime period 7
]
;B[pp]C[toffee [3d\]: he swallows...
BGAadmin [-\]: he has been good enough to *play* MM seven times ...
Symbolic [24k?\]: i wonder how nick would compare to a 3d here...
morera: that makes absolutely no sense
Spec: He would win I expect
Uberdude [4d?\]: his account is ndkrempel
BGAadmin [-\]: his current KGS result is 4d?
BGAadmin [-\]: rank, I mean, not result
Symbolic [24k?\]: oh
Symbolic [24k?\]: is KGS better than IGS?
toffee [3d\]: no
mw2a [1k\]: how can you answer such a question? what are you even asking...
Symbolic [24k?\]: i played on IGS pandanet...doesn't seem as organized...
Symbolic [24k?\]: well i was asking which is prefered
BGAadmin [-\]: it's apples and oranges, really
toffee [3d\]: w still have time? Too slow.
Spec: Ah, h2 sealed the result.
Iciac [3k\]: Where KGS is a particularly juicy apple, and IGS a bitter shrivelled orange.
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;W[lo]C[BGAadmin [-\]: white has 8 minutes for his remaining 9 stones
]
;B[ln]
;W[mo]
;B[mn]C[toffee [3d\]: I'd wager in regular normal, non-blitz games, IGS would be KGS players.
]
;W[jp]
;B[io]C[toffee [3d\]: Japanese on IGS has good fundamentals.
Symbolic [24k?\]: didn't he have 4 stones and 5 minutes about an hour ago?
morera: overtimes
BGAadmin [-\]: yes, but each time he runs out of stones he gets another 10 stones and 10 minutes
Symbolic [24k?\]: oh
]
;W[gj]C[BGAadmin [-\]: that's when I talk about new overtime periods beginning
Iciac [3k\]: Every 10k on IGS seems to have 10k games under their belt ;)
Symbolic [24k?\]: i know IGS ranks are harder than kgs so a 2k on igs is probably a d here
]
;B[ir]
;W[jr]C[Symbolic [24k?\]: each new period starts after the time runs out or after the stones are played before time runs out?
BGAadmin [-\]: if the time ran out, he'd lose on time
toffee [3d\]: The ranking on IGS also more closely reflect the strength.
BGAadmin [-\]: it's after the stones run out
BGAadmin [-\]: that a new overtime period begins
toffee [3d\]: On KGS, no matter how much you lose or win, your ranking don't change.
]
;B[fe]C[BGAadmin [-\]: that seems improbable
morera: of course it matters
Javaness [3d\]: yes, ranks never ever change on KGS
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i am still 25k
BGAadmin [-\]: I've just watched  afriend go from 11k? to 19k? ;)
mw2a [1k\]: toffee, what's your rank on igs?
Symbolic [24k?\]: so he's rushed to play his stones in that time...
toffee [3d\]: 4d.
mw2a [1k\]: ahh, bitter
shakti [-\]: once a rank settles on lgs, it's yours for life
shakti [-\]: same with kgs
Uberdude [4d?\]: my rank went up a whole rank from one win
Symbolic [24k?\]: you're a 4d warfreak...
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no
]
;W[ff]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: ranks never change
]
;B[ee]
;W[fd]C[Symbolic [24k?\]: and my rank has gone up
Symbolic [24k?\]: from 26k?
Iciac [3k\]: Symbolic vs Warfreak - even game.
Symbolic [24k?\]: Symbolic - Win
morera: 0.5 komi
mw2a [1k\]: symbolic is stronger than wf, he will lose
Symbolic [24k?\]: i play no handicap against people..
morera: not that winning will change his rank
Symbolic [24k?\]: oh...
toffee [3d\]: IGS actually has 2 levels between each rank.
Symbolic [24k?\]: yea, the +
cloudo [1k\]: i play no peple against handycap
Spec: After the first five games, KGS assigns a random rank. That rank then stays forever.
mw2a [1k\]: i play against handicap people
Symbolic [24k?\]: i give the stronger player the handicap and -14.5 komi ^^
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i don't know why they make you play any games
Warfreak2 [4d\]: tradition i guess
mw2a [1k\]: it's all part of the tyranny of the squirrels
Spec: Yeah, it seems out of touch with the times.
shakti [-\]: the slowness of the kgs ratingsystem is common knowledge, get over it
Symbolic [24k?\]: they should determine skill by one game
Symbolic [24k?\]: play a dan...have him resign...new rank...1k
morera: stop shaking the foundations of my world shakti
Iciac [3k\]: a3 
Spec: There are of course some ways to change ranks, but they are quite arcane and not widely known.
mw2a [1k\]: symbolic, i have a feeling you can fool any rating system if your opponent is dishonest
]
;B[fm]
;W[em]C[Symbolic [24k?\]: i guessed right a while back about J9 XD
BGAadmin [-\]: I wonder if Matthew is going to get into his third hour ... he's got7 minutes left of his second
Symbolic [24k?\]: i'm good :P
]
;B[aq]
;W[ap]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has six minutes to play his remaining stone in
morera: will he make it in time
BGAadmin [-\]: I hope so
Symbolic [24k?\]: i can play a stone in six minutes...actually a 30k can do that...
IRONBALLS [2d\]: I think white is leading
BGAadmin [-\]: depends on the 30k. I know at least one who'll take at least that long quite happily
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not if it isn't your turn, you can't
Iciac [3k\]: It could all change if he meets connection issues.
Spec: On a "real" board you can play out of turn, although it is generally frowned upon.
]
;B[ed]C[Symbolic [24k?\]: L1
BGAadmin [-\]: I think in this case it would cause some refereeing
Symbolic [24k?\]: it's alright if you play a couple turns out of turn
Spec: Is there a referee present?
Prioxity [-\]: H19.
Symbolic [24k?\]: no harm to the game
Symbolic [24k?\]: yea referee is some lady
BGAadmin [-\]: Spec: yes, maproomad is the referee in this game
Spec: Ah, the one with the tweed vest...
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;W[ha]C[BGAadmin [-\]: I - possibly the lady to whom Symbolic refers, though I never claim to be one - am the tournament organiser, and the relayer
Symbolic [24k?\]: you were right
ProoMas [2k\]: Is there a livestream for this game?
Symbolic [24k?\]: h19
Symbolic [24k?\]: yes, it's lame though
BGAadmin [-\]: proomas: uyes, see the game info
ProoMas [2k\]: where o.0
]
;B[ec]
;W[eb]C[Symbolic [24k?\]: graphics suck video quality is bad, keeps going offline...
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has now entered his 8th overtime period
Warfreak2 [4d\]: you play pair go on occasion
zeekmund [6k\]: b+10?
BGAadmin [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-UK
Symbolic [24k?\]: ^ there
BGAadmin [-\]: warfreak2: true. Once a year I claim to be a lady, then. That day has passed, for this year
Iciac [3k\]: e11 
AbleOrange [8k\]: why is there no 3 stone handi?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i thought you wanted me to be your pair go partner at london this year. or shall i be the lady?
morera: why cant you all be the lady?
Javaness [3d\]: why is Cornwall coloured red?
BGAadmin [-\]: warfreak2: well, the teams consist of  a lady and  a gentleman, the terms being undefined; I thought we could bake for it
Symbolic [24k?\]: both of you should be ladies
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;B[ol]C[rausku [-\]: able, because it's an actual tournament?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: that would be against the rules, symbolic
BGAadmin [-\]: AbleOrange: in a title tournament like this, there is no handicap
Spec: If you have a close look, it's orange.
Symbolic [24k?\]: is bgadmin a real person or some computer controlled auto bot?
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has won the right to play Matthew evenly
AbleOrange [8k\]: oh. so tourneys, regardless rank, have no handis?
BGAadmin [-\]: I am a real person, I assure you
BGAadmin [-\]: AbleOrange: depends on the structure of the tournament
Symbolic [24k?\]: ok
vijay [?\]: theres a three stone level difference?
Iciac [3k\]: You pass the Turing test at least.
Spec: You will find it difficult to prove that you're a "real" person over the KGS chat channel.
vijay [?\]: too easy for black then
AbleOrange [8k\]: thanks
Symbolic [24k?\]: how do you prove you're real?
BGAadmin [-\]: most UK non-title tournaments are McMahon: http://senseis.xmp.net/?McMahonPairing
vijay [?\]: in an even game
Warfreak2 [4d\]: how real do you feel, mrs peel?
BGAadmin [-\]: Symbolic - well, quite a lot of people here have met me ...
Symbolic [24k?\]: nick and mat aren't registered players here...
Symbolic [24k?\]: they're not in the upper right corner
BGAadmin [-\]: I taught at least two of them to play, come to that
vijay [?\]: anyone out here??
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick is ndkrempel, when playing on KGS, and Matthew is Rubberduck. Or so I understand.
Symbolic [24k?\]: bg are you the one on the pc right in front of the camera?
BGAadmin [-\]: no, that's maproomad
BGAadmin [-\]: er
BGAadmin [-\]: unless you do mean me
vijay [?\]: bgaadmin?
Symbolic [24k?\]: then where are you at?
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;W[lh]
;B[lg]C[BGAadmin [-\]: I'm the blonde; depends which computer you mean
Symbolic [24k?\]: the computer that's looking at the game the same way the board is displayed
BGAadmin [-\]: yes, that's me
vijay [?\]: would it hurt your haemorroids to answer me?
Iciac [3k\]: o4 
sarmad [1k\]: p12 is also 1 point
BGAadmin [-\]: what on *earth* are you talking about, vijay?
sarmad [1k\]: p12?
Symbolic [24k?\]: hahaha i could see KGS opened and stuff in the first 8 moves before i got tired of watching the bad video
vijay [?\]: aaaah at last
vijay [?\]: a reaction
Symbolic [24k?\]: noob
BGAadmin [-\]: did you have a specific question?
Symbolic [24k?\]: that was his question
Juan03 [8k\]: how would p12 give you a point
BGAadmin [-\]: (Nick has 8 stones and 6 minutes remaining)
liusasori [3d\]: w 65,5 b 68 
vijay [?\]: i was asking an even game with 3 stone difference is too easy for black no?
BGAadmin [-\]: (Matthew has 63)
morera: seems like it isnt vijay
BGAadmin [-\]: vijay: that's debateable; weaker players have beaten Matthew on even in tournaments before
Spec: Black is favoured to win. Does that answer your question?
vijay [?\]: uh uh
BGAadmin [-\]: most notably Yohei Negi at the Welsh Open in 2009, if I have my years correctly
Uberdude [4d?\]: i;ve beaten matthew even twice =)
vijay [?\]: most certainly
morera: nice!
Warfreak2 [4d\]: but less notably
Symbolic [24k?\]: white will win
Uberdude [4d?\]: but unfortunately not in rated tournaments
Symbolic [24k?\]: same here
BGAadmin [-\]: also, you're rated more strongly than Yohei, Uber :)
Symbolic [24k?\]: mat is easy to beat
Spec: If white plays p12, then black will have to add another stone around n14 eventually. That's how p12 gives a point
vijay [?\]: to morera: im the one and only vijay!
Uberdude [4d?\]: am i?
Symbolic [24k?\]: i used my alt account of 2k
morera: gasp!
Uberdude [4d?\]: yohei is like 2270
morera: years old, or the future?
Juan03 [8k\]: alright thanks!
buggler [?\]: you guys know yohei?
cutrone: ci sei?
BGAadmin [-\]: I could be wrong
BGAadmin [-\]: of course we know yohei
vijay [?\]: ci sono
buggler [?\]: he's one of my best mates from perth
morera: ci sa
Uberdude [4d?\]: yeah yphei more gor than me
buggler [?\]: we learned go together
vijay [?\]: c'è
Uberdude [4d?\]: i gave my gor to the uk after the EGC
vijay [?\]: not ci sa
BGAadmin [-\]: Uber - possibly as a consequence of his beating MM? :)
Uberdude [4d?\]: he gained a fair bit in finland
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick is down to 3 minutes and 8 stones
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;W[oh]C[buggler [?\]: in fact we both played our first game of go together, and he beat me.  he was quite talented from the get go
Warfreak2 [4d\]: supermac only lost 8 gors to yohei afaik
buggler [?\]: in about 2006
buggler [?\]: i feel humbled seeing people talk about him now
BGAadmin [-\]: he was infuriatingly good and rapidly improving from the first time he showed up in the UK
Javaness [3d\]: well, Nick has won this game
]
;B[oj]C[BGAadmin [-\]: he has?
Uberdude [4d?\]: isn't he back in aus now?
vijay [?\]: who's yohei?
BGAadmin [-\]: Uber: yep
buggler [?\]: yes, he's back in perth now
BGAadmin [-\]: we miss him :(
HammerTime [2d\]: someone is from perth who isnt me? lol
]
;W[pj]
;B[oi]
;W[nj]C[buggler [?\]: Perth in australia
buggler [?\]: not scotland?
HammerTime [2d\]: Im in Australia too
buggler [?\]: ah wow.
Warfreak2 [4d\]: yohei got 16 gors for beating matthew but matthew only lost 8 for losing to yohei
BGAadmin [-\]: hurrah for adding points to the system
Uberdude [4d?\]: you don't get many for beating super strongs
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has 5 stones and 2 minutes and is keeping a careful eye on the clock
Uberdude [4d?\]: i think you should get more
]
;B[qi]C[hemuli [6d\]: B-class ?
Uberdude [4d?\]: yes
Uberdude [4d?\]: a class if i beat him i get 20 points
Uberdude [4d?\]: which is less than 2 wins against even people
Uberdude [4d?\]: seems kinda stingy
Javaness [3d\]: I had a dream recently, where my opponent won by putting a scrabble rack on the board
BGAadmin [-\]: even I would get distressingly few points beeating him on even in a class A, IIRC
clement44 [-\]: O4?
]
;W[np]C[vijay [?\]: so the british use the area scoring
]
;B[no]
;W[mp]C[morera: truely a nightmare java
]
;B[op]C[vijay [?\]: like the chinese?
]
;W[ko]C[Javaness [3d\]: yes vijay, fox news' influence
]
;B[ah]
;W[ai]
;B[ag]C[BGAadmin [-\]: we use modified AGA rules
]
;W[ia]C[vijay [?\]: ok
cutrone: ci sei?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: modified so that they aren't AGA rules
BGAadmin [-\]: overtime period, er, nine is this?
vijay [?\]: potrei dire qualcos'altro che questo?
BGAadmin [-\]: Matthew's gone onto his final hour
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has just reminded him to be careful
vijay [?\]: what is the differnce?
BGAadmin [-\]: and has once again over-brewed his tea
vijay [?\]: with aga
BGAadmin [-\]: something embarrassingly trivial, I think, I can't actually remember. Warfreak2?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i don't know
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i didn't actually pay attention to the debate over switching to AGA rules
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i think it happened mostly on gotalk
Warfreak2 [4d\]: which i don't follow.
BGAadmin [-\]: mmm, I knew at the time, but tbh it's not my main interest as an organiser, so I've forgotten
fabz [11k\]: maybe k18 ?
]
;B[pm]C[clydesdale [2k\]: is british title best of five?
]
;W[pn]C[BGAadmin [-\]: best of three
Uberdude [4d?\]: used to be best of 5
Uberdude [4d?\]: this is first year to be beset of 3
]
;B[sd]
;W[sc]
;B[se]C[Igor1 [-\]: why the change?
BGAadmin [-\]: http://www.britgo.org/rules/compare.html suggests that the difference may merely be default komi
BGAadmin [-\]: because we had trouble getting five day-long games crammed into the year, basically
Javaness [3d\]: it was best of 3 40 years ago I think
]
;W[jb]C[BGAadmin [-\]: particularly last year when one of teh players was a schoolgirl
]
;B[sb]C[hemuli [6d\]: why is matthew leaving k18..
]
;W[sa]
;B[ib]C[Igor1 [-\]: i see
BGAadmin [-\]: oh, yes, it was, Java - plus ca change plus ca meme chose, etc
clydesdale [2k\]: b has more threats
]
;W[is]
;B[hs]C[Javaness [3d\]: hard for white to lose
]
(;W[js]C[BGAadmin [-\]: I am ... confused by Java's counting, to be honest. But he is strong and I am weak, so perhaps I am wrong
toffee [3d\]: You're not the only one.
Javaness [3d\]: well the SE gives black about 4 points extra because of the rules difference
BGAadmin [-\]: *counts again, gets more confused*
vijay [?\]: 4 pts??
BGAadmin [-\]: this move was wrongly recorded; it was at l1, not k1
]
;B[gd]C[BGAadmin [-\]: and then MM plays a move like that ...!
isuck [1k\]: i dont get that move?
fairgo1 [3d\]: huh 0.o
toffee [3d\]: ignore, extra point.
Javaness [3d\]: seems to rubbish to me
mw2a [1k\]: b has lost
isuck [1k\]: hoping w makes mistake?
newton [1k\]: time tesuji?
Choup [-\]: Black really played that ?
Uberdude [4d?\]: looking for liberty shortage with j11 etc
Uberdude [4d?\]: maybe
Javaness [3d\]: could be
BGAadmin [-\]: black really played it, yes
toffee [3d\]: Just k18
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has just over 6 minutes and 4 stones
Javaness [3d\]: that's the kind of move you have to ignore at once, or you lose 5 minutes checking it
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;W[he]C[BGAadmin [-\]: you've met Nick, right, Java? :)
vijay [?\]: there can only be one pt difference between chinese and jap
Warfreak2 [4d\]: wrong
vijay [?\]: depending on who plays last
Warfreak2 [4d\]: also that is an offensive word
NomDePlume [4k\]: Earlier you were all telling me how MM's plays are all honest :)
Carl [5k\]: maybe it was an honest mistake
fairgo1 [3d\]: xD
Choup [-\]: :)
Timk [2k\]: k18 
Timk [2k\]: the biggest
Javaness [3d\]: i'd play K18
Koukkaaja [3d\]: if not then w m1
hemuli [6d\]: i'd e11=)
jodageezer [4k\]: Black's next move is resign.
Timk [2k\]: m1 smaller compare to k18
Carl [5k\]: p6?
mw2a [1k\]: too close to resign, but b has lost
Venn [6k\]: g5
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;B[ei]
;W[fi]
;B[di]C[mw2a [1k\]: unless he can work miracles
Igor1 [-\]: wait, i thought b's winning?
vijay [?\]: yose is almost at an end anyway no use to resign now
Carl [5k\]: not for a little while
Javaness [3d\]: huh
Spec: Black is behind by some 5 or so points, isn't he?
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick has 2 stones and 5 minutes and is clearly not going to rush this move
isuck [1k\]: black lost in the endgame
clement44 [-\]: TIme to K18 ? 
Spec: It's odd.
Javaness [3d\]: black is clocking
mw2a [1k\]: b hasn't been winning since i started watching
Javaness [3d\]: i hope you're proud of yourself mw2a
Spec: Going into the endgame white looked ahead, then he lost some ground, but he managed to claw it back.
toffee [3d\]: b must really think he's losing.
mw2a [1k\]: i always cheer the underdog
isuck [1k\]: w scared of c10?
clydesdale [2k\]: d11 looks like a mistake to me
vijay [?\]: is amateur dan system really accurate??
isuck [1k\]: its dame
Spec: c10 would be a lot of ko threats at least, but other than that?
isuck [1k\]: and gote
BGAadmin [-\]: define accurate, vijay ...
mw2a [1k\]: hmm, isuck... i wanted that name
]
;W[cj]C[vijay [?\]: precise?
isuck [1k\]: WOW
Javaness [3d\]: boo
wingnut: omg
fairgo1 [3d\]: ...
isuck [1k\]: how did he do that?
Fredda [-\]: :O
BGAadmin [-\]: this may be a Matt Crosby style of move, that c10
]
;B[pl]
;W[pk]C[Javaness [3d\]: that's 2 bluffs he answered in a row
Magami [1k\]: if rankes decide who is winning there would be no point in playing ...
barbapapa: afraid
NomDePlume [4k\]: MM is a bully!
BGAadmin [-\]: overtime period mumble
newton [1k\]: maybe he is sure, that he is ahaed
newton [1k\]: ahead
Korken [3d\]: maybe he counted
clement44 [-\]: ? C10 ?
]
;B[jb]
;W[ls]C[mw2a [1k\]: should be w+2 now
isuck [1k\]: why give away points even if ahead?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: m1 is not matt crosby style
]
;B[mr]C[hemuli [6d\]: ?
]
;W[on]C[Javaness [3d\]: p6
BGAadmin [-\]: I am seriously confused; k1 seems to have shifted to l1
toffee [3d\]: at the very least should take ko first.
BGAadmin [-\]: I daren't disturb them; and it doesn't change naything, but I'm confused
]
;B[ks]
;W[oq]
;B[or]
;W[ls]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: it changes slightly
BGAadmin [-\]: does it?
]
;B[fb]
;W[gc]
;B[ks]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: if there is no w stone at l1, b can capture first
newton [1k\]: yes
BGAadmin [-\]: bother, in that ccase
]
;W[pq]
;B[pr]
;W[ls]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: you should not tell them
Warfreak2 [4d\]: them's the rules
BGAadmin [-\]: I'm not going to
Javaness [3d\]: well done Nick
BGAadmin [-\]: I'm telling you guys
EpicPhail [2k\]: e2 are 4 threats
mw2a [1k\]: it could result in a 2p difference, right?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i guess the margin is not close enough for it to matter
mw2a [1k\]: so w would win regardless
BGAadmin [-\]: I ... trust you are correct. I *really* would swear that that stone was in the other place before.
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it would not make sense for white to play l1 instead of k1
]
;B[bp]
;W[bo]
;B[ks]C[indianayk [4d\]: b can not win the ko
]
;W[er]
;B[dr]
;W[ls]C[amlt [?\]: You could always check on the video
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;B[ao]
;W[an]
;B[ks]
;W[es]
;B[ds]C[mw2a [1k\]: we need madden with instant replay
]
;W[ls]
;B[kp]
;W[kq]
;B[ks]C[mw2a [1k\]: but he'd probably just end up drawing a birthday cake over the play
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;W[fs]
;B[gs]
;W[ls]
;B[da]
;W[ca]
;B[ks]
;W[er]
;B[es]
;W[ls]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Matthew paused to ask if I was keepig up with this ko fight. Oh irony
Warfreak2 [4d\]: lol
Uberdude [4d?\]: so, did anyone watch the video to know if this ko as moved one space?
ikewa [9k\]: e19
]
;B[ac]
;W[ks]C[NomDePlume [4k\]: MM is recording the game, cease his record.
]
;B[go]
;W[ii]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: why would matthew record it
]
;B[mf]
;W[kh]C[ikewa [9k\]: B+
]
;B[aa]
;W[ea]C[BGAadmin [-\]: not sure it goes far enough, I will later try
Warfreak2 [4d\]: bgaadmin is recording it, and besides, he should remember it anyway
]
;B[im]C[wicket [3d\]: something to do while waiting i guess
Warfreak2 [4d\]: he could get a rubik's cube
]
;W[oe]
;B[om]C[mw2a [1k\]: ikewa, in SE we trust
]
;W[jh]
;B[kk]C[wicket [3d\]: maybe that wouldn't take long enough
BGAadmin [-\]: the room's full of puzzles
Warfreak2 [4d\]: and maps?
BGAadmin [-\]: yes
ikewa [9k\]: )))))))
Symbolic [24k?\]: you're imagining it 
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;W[]C[BGAadmin [-\]: the players have both passed
]
;B[]
;W[]C[Kizamu [2k\]: can someone explain why SE is different from game?
newton [1k\]: komi
mw2a [1k\]: because se fails w/ area counting
ikewa [9k\]: 7,5
Warfreak2 [4d\]: nobody can
SR123 [4k\]: 7.5
kimlongVN [-\]: who win
BGAadmin [-\]: they are counting
BGAadmin [-\]: I will give you the result when I know it
Uberdude [4d?\]: nick seems to be smiling
liusasori [3d\]: w + 2.5 ?
golgo13 [8k\]: i m for w
BGAadmin [-\]: White by 2.5
mw2a [1k\]: i'm so glad kimlong asked who won so that bgadmin would know that we would like to heard the result
mw2a [1k\]: ty
golgo13 [8k\]: dont like how b plays ....
kimlongVN [-\]: komi 7.5
ikewa [9k\]: really?
golgo13 [8k\]: b is a cheater
BGAadmin [-\]: thank you for being an interesting audience
morera: no problem
Uberdude [4d?\]: congratulations nick!
Warfreak2 [4d\]: well done
Spec: Thanks for relaying
jodageezer [4k\]: thnaks BG
isuck [1k\]: whens next game
StefanRadu [1d\]: congrats nick
vijay [?\]: how a cheater?
morera: thanks for hosting kgs
Warfreak2 [4d\]: sparkling wine all round
StefanRadu [1d\]: who won in the first game?
BGAadmin [-\]: I will communicate your congratulations when they're done analysing
morera: thanks for being with us bga
newton [1k\]: thanks for the game
Nick [8k\]: thanks BGAdmin
Warfreak2 [4d\]: win the next one and it's champagne and BMWs
BGAadmin [-\]: the next game will be announced when it's been organised!
maproomad [-\]: White wins by 2.5
ikewa [9k\]: thx everybody
mw2a [1k\]: is it best of 3?
BGAadmin [-\]: it is
StefanRadu [1d\]: who won the first game?
BGAadmin [-\]: so the next game will be a decider
mw2a [1k\]: ahh, ty
BGAadmin [-\]: Matthew won the first game
StefanRadu [1d\]: thx.
SR123 [4k\]: ty
Brilliant [6k\]: Which colour is Matthew? 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b
spider451 [1d\]: thanks so much!
haizzz [3k\]: when is second game?
wicket [3d\]: today
haizzz [3k\]: next one?
BGAadmin [-\]: we don't know
Uberdude [4d?\]: thanks jenny and kirsty and nick wedd et al for organising
haizzz [3k\]: oki thx
Warfreak2 [4d\]: ask nick and matthew about the ko
BGAadmin [-\]: it will be announced on KGS and GoTalk, the British mailing list, once we've arranged it
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's in london right?
BGAadmin [-\]: it should be, yes
dangerzone [6k\]: BGAadmin, couldn't you complete the game by scoring it?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i wonder if i will be in london at the time
Uberdude [4d?\]: date decided yet?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i am not sure you would let me troll as bgaadmin
BGAadmin [-\]: danger: I could, but it would not be correct
EpicPhail [2k\]: bgaadmin please ask math about g16 - was it a fake threat?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: 'twould
Uberdude [4d?\]: score tool is correct
BGAadmin [-\]: warfreak: dunno. You might have to ask me nicely
BGAadmin [-\]: Epic: I will if I can
Uberdude [4d?\]: though a kgs bug means we may not see the answe
dangerzone [6k\]: It's W+2, right?
BGAadmin [-\]: 2.5
dangerzone [6k\]: If you score it, it gives that.
Warfreak2 [4d\]: F3
dangerzone [6k\]: Either press F3 or select "Score Tool" under Tool in the top left.
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i suspect she did
Warfreak2 [4d\]: and it borked
Warfreak2 [4d\]: worked in my clone
])
(;W[ks]C[BGAadmin [-\]: this would have been correct
Warfreak2 [4d\]: ok
Warfreak2 [4d\]: k18 seems larger anyway
BGAadmin [-\]: indeed
BGAadmin [-\]: anyway, I shall away to update the website if I can; see you anon!
mof [1k?\]: who won?
Symbolic [24k?\]: it's a draw
mof [1k?\]: haha
mof [1k?\]: sure
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w+2.5
EpicPhail [2k\]: what means anon?
mof [1k?\]: thanks
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's short for anonymous
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's what /b/ users call each other
EpicPhail [2k\]: b users?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: sage
EpicPhail [2k\]: ok
EpicPhail [2k\]: thanks
Sanuye [?\]: who won the game?
dangerzone [6k\]: Nick Krempel as white.
Ras [8k\]: when is game 3?
dangerzone [6k\]: I'm guessing time and place is yet to be decided, except that will take place somewhere in London.
Ras [8k\]: so not soon?
dangerzone [6k\]: There were 14 days between the first and the second game.
])))
