(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[10800]OT[10/600 Canadian]
GN[British Championship Title Match Game 1]PW[Andrew Kay (Warfreak2)]PB[Andrew Simons (Uberdude)]WR[4d]BR[4d]DT[2013-11-16]EV[British Go Championship 2013]RO[1]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Caode [9k?\]: Eeee, Warfie plays soon?
BGAadmin [-\]: We are starting at 10:00am UK time. That is in about 20 minutes time.
BGAadmin [-\]: 5 minutes until we start
Lothus [1d?\]: warfreak2  \\o/
xDragon [?\]: go uber
cuby [1d?\]: GO WARFO
Lothus [1d?\]: go away dragon:P
Lothus [1d?\]: real champion is one :P
xDragon [?\]: nah, he doesnt deserve the win
Tarka [5k\]: Good morning all!
Javaness [2d\]: are they making the tea now?
Lothus [1d?\]: dragon you have something wrong with the perception!
Muttley [2k\]: is there a video feed from EGTV or just game relay?
Caode [9k?\]: Heya lothus
BGAadmin [-\]: Just a game relay\]
BGAadmin [-\]: And the clock has started.
Muttley [2k\]: thx
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;B[pp]
;W[dd]C[Poney [2d\]: yeah the match of the kibitzers
Konservas [1k\]: clash of Andrews
xDragon [?\]: i have good reasons lothus. i could go over them but theres like 10 admins in here and i dont feel like being booted out right now. its too late for that
Lothus [1d?\]: the most smart, talented, wise and hansome is warfreak2 ! of course he deserves to win
BGAadmin [-\]: As you can see, it is 3 hours for each player, then 10 moves in 10 minutes overtime.
Javaness [2d\]: I cannot countenance that white would use 3 hours
breakfast [3p\]: hi friends, in 20 moves or so we will start live review
Lothus [1d?\]: I suggested  white yesterday  to use 3 h :P We will see how it will go
Muttley [2k\]: Andrew Simons is a Clavin Klein model, so I'm afraid its not that clearcut
cuby [1d?\]: simons beat warf recently
manofearth [?\]: uberdude is british?
Lothus [1d?\]: yes, warfreak has tendence to play too fast
Betwixt [6d\]: two 4d's on top of the british go? O:
Muttley [2k\]: breakfast, I take it you are cloning it to show variations?
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;B[co]
;W[pd]
;B[dq]C[breakfast [3p\]: yes, I will make a clone
tuquedenne [4d\]: Same as Betwist. Isn't there stronger players, or are those 4d underrated ?
xDragon [?\]: mcfadyen retired didnt he?
Muttley [2k\]: thx, we shall event that also I guess
liptos [6k\]: would british 4d be kgs 4d?
Muttley [2k\]: though it should be at the top of the active game list anyway
Tarka [5k\]: Yay Kay has played my favourite opening
KurataSan [3d\]: go Andrew!
Konservas [1k\]: c10 ? :) and let it be clash of moyos
YellowBell [6d\]: lolol \\o/ go warfreak 
Javaness [2d\]: non of the stronger players took part
Betwixt [6d\]: who are the stronger players?
Muttley [2k\]: w will k3
Lothus [1d?\]: warfreak2 \\o/
tuquedenne [4d\]: Strange. Looks like France a few years ago then :o)
Javaness [2d\]: Vanessa Wong :)
Muttley [2k\]: though o3 has become more popular in pro games, so maybe he will follow fashion
brogicus [4k\]: Sam Aitken is back in the UK this week
Betwixt [6d\]: o3 is popular for a few years now..
Lothus [1d?\]: Wong didnt come to UK just for studies?
Betwixt [6d\]: nothing new
BGAadmin [-\]: Last weekend, there was a strong players' training weekend with Guo Juan. Andrew Simons (B) was there, but not Andrew Kay
BGAadmin [-\]: Guess which opening we studied ;-)
Tarka [5k\]: Haha!
Muttley [2k\]: The Dutch?
Lothus [1d?\]: cheating uberdude! :P
Tarka [5k\]: Question - commentry going to be ausio? Or no?
Tarka [5k\]: *audio
KurataSan [3d\]: o3 
Betwixt [6d\]: pro
tuquedenne [4d\]: British championship time limits are really slow
Muttley [2k\]: don't know, Tarka
younme1991 [8k\]: i was thinking about k3
kryft [1k\]: BGAadmin, was it this exact opening (3-5 first) or orthodox fuseki in general (black's current position)?
Tarka [5k\]: K3 is the classic position to occupy here I think
younme1991 [8k\]: r6 good?
BGAadmin [-\]: We looked at 3-4 first, but I think Andrew S played the other move order to make it more likely to get to this position
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;W[jq]C[kryft [1k\]: Eh, "3-5 first" = "3-5 before 3-4"
G361 [2d?\]: r6
Konservas [1k\]: old school
Tarka [5k\]: Ha!
kryft [1k\]: BGAadmin, Right
rija [2d\]: oh old variation ?
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;B[qf]C[Betwixt [6d\]: i guess gou juan taught him that?
narugo [2d\]: looks  like english opening
tuquedenne [4d\]: black is looking for m3 -h4
younme1991 [8k\]: english opening?
Muttley [2k\]: hehe
BGAadmin [-\]: Yes. She called it Gu Li's opening. (Sorry, I don't know the spelling.)
Lothus [1d?\]: so now its what guo juan said its good to play vs warfreak2, I hope real game will start soon
Betwixt [6d\]: half of the go openings can be referred to gu li :P
zikego [2d?\]: good spelling
BGAadmin [-\]: No. She said it was a good opening to study to learn.
rija [2d\]: b will have a big moyo at the begining...
Muttley [2k\]: well, just about every pro plays this opening at some point
Muttley [2k\]: Lee Sedol also had it as his main black fuseki for many years
BGAadmin [-\]: And good for black to play, but not game winning or anything. They are just opening moves.
Betwixt [6d\]: lee sedol plays some nice stuff for white here
younme1991 [8k\]: o3 for w?
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;W[pi]C[Lothus [1d?\]: I know how games of go looks, but thank you for reminding me :)
kryft [1k\]: BGAadmin, What exactly did the opening comprise? Just the shape on the lower side, or more specific than that?
Muttley [2k\]: would Lee pincer here?   I don't recall him playing the 2 space high pincer
kryft [1k\]: It would be interesting to call orthodox fuseki in general "Gu Li's opening" :)
goren2 [2k\]: english opening is c4.  oh wait, wrong game...
jyka [1k\]: breakfast, can you do the europe pro league ? 
Muttley [2k\]: Carlsen played the English :)
younme1991 [8k\]: lol
rija [2d\]: h3 now ?
goren2 [2k\]: did he draw again?
Muttley [2k\]: Anand played the Spanish
younme1991 [8k\]: lol
Muttley [2k\]: No-one played the Chinese
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;B[qc]
;W[qd]
;B[pc]
;W[od]C[goren2 [2k\]: there is no chinese
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;B[rd]C[goren2 [2k\]: in chess
Muttley [2k\]: Chinese dragon, Chinese fuseki :)
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;W[re]C[goren2 [2k\]: some can play the dutch
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;B[rc]C[Betwixt [6d\]: b is too soft
kryft [1k\]: Muttley, I've heard it claimed that the two-space high pincer isn't popular among pros these days, but I don't know if that's actually true
goren2 [2k\]: or the latvian
Muttley [2k\]: yes, you rarely see it
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;W[qe]
;B[nc]C[goren2 [2k\]: or the french
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;W[nq]C[Muttley [2k\]: it seems pros either play big points and dynamic flow, or immediate fighting, at the risk of being too sweeping :)
younme1991 [8k\]: sicillian dragon
kryft [1k\]: The argument was that it leaves too much aji, which I actually understand quite well based on my go lesson last night; r14 can do just about anything :P
kryft [1k\]: (Even after white plays N15)
Muttley [2k\]: somewhat fluffier moves like Q11 don't figure quite so much, but there are counter examples I'm sure
Javaness [2d\]: I am amazed that they played so quickly
Betwixt [6d\]: r8 too painful later
KurataSan [3d\]: w better here i believe
kryft [1k\]: Betwixt, For the two space high pincer in general or here specifically?
Betwixt [6d\]: i would consider playing r7 now ~.~
kryft [1k\]: Why r7 specifically?
Betwixt [6d\]: specifically..
Tarka [5k\]: Agreed, r7 looks good 
Muttley [2k\]: I'd have preferred p13 for black to r17
Betwixt [6d\]: so w can't play r8
kryft [1k\]: Oh right
manofearth [?\]: w has no pts after  komi, and it's b's move
kryft [1k\]: Of course :P
Lothus [1d?\]: 2 moves and we will have a review
younme1991 [8k\]: i was thinking r6 for w later but the stone on q11 should be on q10 then r6 is good
younme1991 [8k\]: i think..lol
kryft [1k\]: I'm never quite sure what to do (and when!) with r14 aji either as black or white :) Even with the other pincers that leave less aji
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;B[qn]C[kryft [1k\]: betwixt, Why r8 instead of r9 for black (for this shape in general I mean)?
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;W[pr]C[Muttley [2k\]: take a punt in a game and find out
breakfast [3p\]: I cloned the game, welcome to watch my audio review
Betwixt [6d\]: when did i say b should r8?
kryft [1k\]: breakfast, Thank you!
Betwixt [6d\]: w failed
Betwixt [6d\]: r9 now
manofearth [?\]: whatif b  q7 insteadof q6?
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;B[qk]C[kryft [1k\]: Betwixt, You said "r8 too painful later" above
tuquedenne [4d\]: I prefer black there
Betwixt [6d\]: too painful when w plays it after r6
kryft [1k\]: Betwixt, Oooh, right
Betwixt [6d\]: but he decided for an unknown reason to take the corner
cuby [1d?\]: hardly unknown
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;W[qq]C[manofearth [?\]: yeah. thechallenge move!
kryft [1k\]: cuby, Please enlighten me gentle sir
Muttley [2k\]: I like b after h3
Betwixt [6d\]: h3 is bad
manofearth [?\]: taking cash: demanding b  do something
Muttley [2k\]: why is h3 bad?
backpack1 [-\]: h3 is small 
Betwixt [6d\]: w's shape is messy
Betwixt [6d\]: k3 is pointless
backpack1 [-\]: UL corner is important
Betwixt [6d\]: there's no point at pushing a pointless stone
Muttley [2k\]: ah right
Muttley [2k\]: thx :)
Betwixt [6d\]: upper right is the interesting zone
kryft [1k\]: Muttley, Will breakfast's commentary be available as a lecture later btw? I should be working :<
kmr [1d\]: h3 is not that small, i cant agree
Javaness [2d\]: no it will be available as text
MajorTom [2d\]: what happened to rubberduck? wasnt he always British Champion?
Muttley [2k\]: I don't know, kryft
Muttley [2k\]: I don't see why it shouldn't
Javaness [2d\]: macfadyen retired
kryft [1k\]: Javaness, Huh?
Muttley [2k\]: he'd won it enough times :)
MajorTom [2d\]: too bad. i liked his play
kryft [1k\]: Javaness, (text, not macfadyen retiring)
BGAadmin [-\]: Matthew Macfadyen said he had lost his appetite to win. It takes a lot of energy to play these whole-day games, and he no longer cared enough.
BGAadmin [-\]: But, he was at the training weekend last weekend, still enjoying go and learning and teaching.
BGAadmin [-\]: (The BGAadmin account is being wielded by Tim Hunt today, by the way. Hello!)
G361 [2d?\]: f17
BGAadmin [-\]: I like R12
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;B[pg]
;W[nd]
;B[mc]C[Lake [2k\]: i wish my electrician played go that well (as mcfayden)
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;W[qh]C[Nasty [1k\]: s14
BGAadmin [-\]: AS has used 16 mins. AK 10 mins.
Lothus [1d?\]: Andrew Kay \\o/
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;B[rf]
;W[sf]C[Javaness [2d\]: what strange idea is this
Ironbeard [?\]: Lake, why do you need your electrician to play go? :O
Nasty [1k\]: o13
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;B[sg]C[Betwixt [6d\]: q13 didn't turn out so well
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;W[se]C[Lake [2k\]: so i could get a lesson from strong player everytime a lamp in my appartment burn out
Betwixt [6d\]: s13 
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;B[rg]
;W[oh]C[Ironbeard [?\]: Good point
Lake [2k\]: i just learned that mcfayden works as electrician when not playing go^^
manofearth [?\]: connect?
Nasty [1k\]: B follow
backpack1 [-\]: first cut
goren2 [2k\]: o14
Lake [2k\]: o14 seems bad 
BGAadmin [-\]: I think o14 is refuted by Q14
Carl [3d?\]: I think black should tenuki
Carl [3d?\]: :D
Lake [2k\]: s11 ?
kryft [1k\]: Yes, treat the stones as a probe!
BGAadmin [-\]: Expensive probe.
kryft [1k\]: I was kidding :)
BGAadmin [-\]: At least S11 leaves white with no eyes, and needing to connect.
manofearth [?\]: got n1`7 fromit
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;B[og]
;W[ng]C[manofearth [?\]: herewego
kryft [1k\]: Is there a second game after this? Best of three?
BGAadmin [-\]: Yes. best of three
manofearth [?\]: i think this cuts
kryft [1k\]: Well I mean obviously there's a second game, but I meant played today
Ironbeard [?\]: Second game next Saturday, I believe
BGAadmin [-\]: Correct
kryft [1k\]: Ah, thanks
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;B[nf]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: You changed the system few time ago, right? I remember a final with a best of n with n>>3
BGAadmin [-\]: It used to be 5
tuquedenne [4d\]: I see
BGAadmin [-\]: History at http://www.britgo.org/bchamp/
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;W[of]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: Thanks :)
BGAadmin [-\]: Andrew Kay has just taken a banana
Lake [2k\]: what a dramatic turn!
Ironbeard [?\]: A devastating move
kryft [1k\]: Clearly white feels he is ahead
clydesdale [3k\]: ah yes - the banana tesuji
Caode [9k?\]: Was the banana fully ripe?
Nasty [1k\]: s11
Lothus [1d?\]: warfreak2 \\o/
Lake [2k\]: q14 or p15 first
Nasty [1k\]: i dint think so
Lake [2k\]: q14 for w and?
toadwarble [8k\]: time check?
Lake [2k\]: b can be short
BGAadmin [-\]: Yes, S11 is dangerous if black is short of liberties.
CoffeeChop [3d\]: i prefer simons, i've played him in wmsg and he's got short hair
BGAadmin [-\]: AS has used 34 minutes, AK 12 minutes.
toadwarble [8k\]: thanks
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;B[oe]C[toadwarble [8k\]: looks like someone is long-hair-ist
Nasty [1k\]: n14 
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;W[mf]C[Lothus [1d?\]: what do you have people agaist beautiful long hair?
Nasty [1k\]: B cant  win
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;B[pf]
;W[ne]C[clydesdale [3k\]: b heavy
backpack1 [-\]: playing s11 is so painful for b
Lothus [1d?\]: Andrew Kay \\o/
kryft [1k\]: Even after s11, is there some annoying aji with the two space extension for later
BGAadmin [-\]: But. THe only option. Black should cut with an atari, then S11.
SpaceGoat [3d\]: s10
BGAadmin [-\]: Ah yes. S10 is better shape.
kryft [1k\]: Right, s10 looks better
CoffeeChop [3d\]: s11 better says breakfast
BGAadmin [-\]: Thanks
kryft [1k\]: I'm at that awkward stage where I can see that there's aji, but if I try to use it I end up strengthening my opponent in gote
Lake [2k\]: so b looses sente. what did b acomplish?
BGAadmin [-\]: After S10, W S11 helps W make shape
CoffeeChop [3d\]: yes
Lake [2k\]: god bless breakfast for review!
BGAadmin [-\]: Is there no way to cut & make a capturing race with ko?
BGAadmin [-\]: N13 then N15?
SpaceGoat [3d\]: seems very risky
BGAadmin [-\]: Yes.
Eng [5d\]: uberdude already screwed up
Lothus [1d?\]: I hope so
BGAadmin [-\]: If case you don't know, there is a copy of  this game by breakfast (Alexander Dinerchtein, 3p) where he is doing an analysis.
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;B[ri]C[BGAadmin [-\]: At the top of the English game room
Shinichi56 [-\]: (Tim Hunt... i know this guy ^^)
Javaness [2d\]: formula 1 commentator I think
BGAadmin [-\]: Is it enough for white just to connect at N12?
Shinichi56 [-\]: n12 2 kikashi
Javaness [2d\]: It is difficult for White to play actively with tenuki
BGAadmin [-\]: There is some aji at White S10, but black has just enough liberties that it is OK for now.
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;W[ql]C[Tooveli [-\]: that looks like and andrew kay move
backpack1 [-\]: w is hoping for s8 s9 s10 s7 t9 r7 
Firzen [3d\]: Was going to say, totally not surprised that andrew would play this
XiaoLong [1d\]: hi who r the plyrs? cant see as on my phone
Shinichi56 [-\]: too soon
BGAadmin [-\]: Black is Andrew Simons. White is Andrew Kay
XiaoLong [1d\]: ty
Muttley [2k\]: w Andrew Kay, Warfreak2, b Andrew Simons, Uberdude
BGAadmin [-\]: Both 4d (in real life, don't know about KGS).
Lothus [1d?\]: Warfreak2 \\o/
Firzen [3d\]: So Javaness, is a higher level of trol... I mean kibitz acceptable in this game since WF requested it explicitly?
BGAadmin [-\]: I think if it was just a competition between the fan clubs, Andrew Kay would win.
quinza [6k?\]: In which case, go Uber!
Tooveli [-\]: depends how many times you count lothus XD
isbhal [4d\]: la fameuse !
Firzen [3d\]: Uber plays so slowly all the time
Muttley [2k\]: yes, but he still has his full time left
BGAadmin [-\]: Speaking of which, AS has now used 45 minutes, and AK 17.
clydesdale [3k\]: 3 hrs each- might as well use it
BGAadmin [-\]: Yes.
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;B[pl]C[Firzen [3d\]: I am sure that Andrew Simons will manage to get into byoyomi even on those timesettings
Muttley [2k\]: breakfast says b clearly behind if b defends under and w uses sente properly
clydesdale [3k\]: last year AK used hardly any time
BGAadmin [-\]: Nick Kremple (last year's challenger to Andrew) is another notoriously slow player.
BGAadmin [-\]: If you are playing someone slower than you, you do all your thinking on their time.
Firzen [3d\]: It always drives me crazy when my opponent plays really slowly
BGAadmin [-\]: It is hard to know how to make good use of 3 hours. Matthew Macfadyen was very good at that.
toadwarble [8k\]: some people get really impatient and rattle stones when their opp is thinking
Shinichi56 [-\]: i remember David Ward is slow too
goren2 [2k\]: nigel short is pretty quick
clydesdale [3k\]: don't metion the c word
Firzen [3d\]: cricket?
Muttley [2k\]: computers
younme1991 [8k\]: chicken?
goren2 [2k\]: combobulation?
Muttley [2k\]: I find the absence of cat pictures in this game unsettling
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;W[pk]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Is that the c-word people were referring to?
Javaness [2d\]: Why doesn't BGAadmin have a picture?
Muttley [2k\]: yes
Firzen [3d\]: weren't you 3d just a second ago java?
Caode [9k?\]: if it helps, I've got a cat picture.
MrTortoise [4k\]: coudl put a tiddleywink in it?
Muttley [2k\]: no cats are great enough, Java
reggin: he is an admin he can be whatever he likes
reggin: on other sites referred to as gods
Firzen [3d\]: *mods
Muttley [2k\]: less mead, reggin
MrTortoise [4k\]: pff i thought breakfast was a machine
Muttley [2k\]: no, it is an early morning meal
reggin: I prefer dinner
reggin: 3x dinner a day is just fine
Firzen [3d\]: What are the byoyomi rules in this game?
BGAadmin [-\]: 10 moves in 10 minutes
Muttley [2k\]: very fast
Muttley [2k\]: Uberdude won't be able to do it
Firzen [3d\]: Alright, so I can go to sleep and be back before this game finishes ^^
plusguy [-\]: umm
plusguy [-\]: what is this event?
tuquedenne [4d\]: r7 works isn't it ?
Muttley [2k\]: 1st game, British Championship
GSP [10k\]: title match
plusguy [-\]: ty
Muttley [2k\]: Andrew Kay, defending champion, in his spare time he likes to comb cats and watch cars
Muttley [2k\]: Andrew Simons, challenger, thinks he is a tree
plusguy [-\]: :S
Firzen [3d\]: Muttley, that's crazy
Muttley [2k\]: s9 please black
Firzen [3d\]: clearly he's a turtle
plusguy [-\]: from experience against this two i would say warfreak slightly stronger
Muttley [2k\]: hehe
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;B[rl]
;W[qj]
;B[rk]
;W[ol]
;B[pm]C[Firzen [3d\]: warfreak is definitely stronger
backpack1 [-\]: w is far ahead now
Muttley [2k\]: well, that's almost no points against white's influence
tuquedenne [4d\]: almost is a bit too much
BGAadmin [-\]: Photo at https://twitter.com/tim_hunt/status/401671616129925120
plusguy [-\]: uhm
Muttley [2k\]: hehehe
Firzen [3d\]: Oh how I missed seeing that hair xD
plusguy [-\]: the advantage w have is quite small
plusguy [-\]: its still anyones game
Muttley [2k\]: Interesting, their mascots look very similar
Muttley [2k\]: I guess their sweaters are how they tell them apart
BGAadmin [-\]: Watching are Fred Holroyd & Richard Scholefield from the Milton Keynes club, and with her back to the camera is Maria Tabor, game recorder.
Firzen [3d\]: Man that picture takes me back to the time in china, good days
Muttley [2k\]: I guess the shadowy figures in the background are the pros who will annotate it later
Firzen [3d\]: Or the reflection of the people in the picture
Muttley [2k\]: its more than a slight plus for white
backpack1 [-\]: w needs to take cash now
Muttley [2k\]: basically, b has one shimari and the n17 stones participating in the actual game
Firzen [3d\]: w needs to n13 I'd say ^^
BGAadmin [-\]: Yes, reflection in my dark shiny kitchen cupboards, but Ilike the ghost of old pros theory better.
backpack1 [-\]: b has no weaknesses right now, just defending might be too slow
Muttley [2k\]: At night, Matthew MacFaddyan comes out of the cupboard
Muttley [2k\]: but only at night.
BGAadmin [-\]: W has centre stones, but almost no territory yet.
Muttley [2k\]: I think the territory b has is irrelevant, w's potential is so much greater
Javaness [2d\]: but the aji in white's position makes it difficult
Muttley [2k\]: that is true
BGAadmin [-\]: Yes. black still has things to aim at.
Muttley [2k\]: I wouldn't go so far as to say "Black's lost", but I think white's game is more flexible
BGAadmin [-\]: Long way to go.
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;W[dj]C[Muttley [2k\]: ironically, I'd say it is b playing catch up here, despite the territory
Shinichi56 [-\]: i like milton keynes club 
Javaness [2d\]: I prefer black personally
Caode [9k?\]: Blaspheme.
BGAadmin [-\]: I think i slighly perfer W, but it is slight.
Firzen [3d\]: Seems like Java has gone black before and doesn't want to go back
Javaness [2d\]: but i am confident white will win by 3.5
Muttley [2k\]: w cooks a better ragu, that swings it for me
backpack1 [-\]: w+res after 180 moves ;)
Firzen [3d\]: triple ko and the game is discontinued
Muttley [2k\]: A tiger attacks Andrew Kay, but in fighting it off he loses on time
Muttley [2k\]: about as realistic as all predictions currently, in other words :)
Muttley [2k\]: be greedy b, and cut at n15
Firzen [3d\]: it should obviously be a stray squirell
Tarka [5k\]: Firzen, don't talk about Javaness in that way
BGAadmin [-\]: I think B needs to aim at the cut, not cut immediately.
Muttley [2k\]: why?
Muttley [2k\]: you can probe for ko threats in the game play
BGAadmin [-\]: Because cutting now does not work, I guess.
backpack1 [-\]: f17 
Muttley [2k\]: it switches the flow of white's play to allowing b two moves
Muttley [2k\]: I don't want it to work, I want two moves for black
Firzen [3d\]: cutting leads to a ko
BGAadmin [-\]: Also, as Guo Juan said last week, a stone that just cuts or connects is a move on a dame point. You need to know what you will get out of cutting.
Muttley [2k\]: 20 points or two moves
Muttley [2k\]: also, this creates the aji for the cut at n13 as the follow up
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;B[mg]C[Muttley [2k\]: ok, directly
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;W[of]C[backpack1 [-\]: too early 
Ironbeard [?\]: Guo Juan will be covering the next game, correct?
BGAadmin [-\]: Yes.
zikego [2d?\]: wow
BGAadmin [-\]: I would have cut at O12. If B wins this ko, N13 will be wasted.
BGAadmin [-\]: And the Jehova's Witnesses have just tried to call, but I don't think they would have been interested in Go.
Ironbeard [?\]: :D
BGAadmin [-\]: AS has now used 65 mins. AK 32.
BGAadmin [-\]: I don't see any real ko threats for B, so I think it has to be O12.
BGAadmin [-\]: W has P17 D4, etc.
XiaoLong [1d\]: p2
BGAadmin [-\]: P2 is a loss if answered.
tuquedenne [4d\]: D4 is too !!
BGAadmin [-\]: Yes.
tuquedenne [4d\]: B is just hoping to play 2 moves like C14-E14
tuquedenne [4d\]: it's maybe a bit too early but can't be considered as really bad
BGAadmin [-\]: Or D15 E16
XiaoLong [1d\]: p2 is a large source of threats if answered
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;B[cf]
;W[mh]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: yeah but if d15 is answered it's just too large
MajorTom [2d\]: fast answer
tuquedenne [4d\]: now e14, it's not bad for b
backpack1 [-\]: that´s what w has expected
Lothus [1d?\]: what is that
MajorTom [2d\]: yes. but shouldnt you think again, no matter if the expected happens?
MajorTom [2d\]: hmmm maybe w just had no threat
nugatory [-\]: measure twice, cut once; measure three times, get fired for inefficiency
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;B[ef]C[Muttley [2k\]: just at this point, let's say thanks to the game relayer :)
Caode [9k?\]: Thank you, whoever you are. :3
BGAadmin [-\]: I am Tim Hunt (2d BGA grade).
Muttley [2k\]: Cheers Tim Hunt
Caode [9k?\]: What muttley said! ^^
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;W[fd]C[Muttley [2k\]: hard to make the cut at N15 work now
BGAadmin [-\]: That's OK. I get a ring-side seat for this crazy game!
Muttley [2k\]: hehehe :)
tuquedenne [4d\]: d8
Muttley [2k\]: make sure you keep that tiger locked up in the garden
BGAadmin [-\]: I was about to say D8 too.
Muttley [2k\]: I would overplay with h17
tuquedenne [4d\]: h17 is not a good direction
tuquedenne [4d\]: as black is low in n17
tuquedenne [4d\]: but maybe g14 is ok too, don't know
BGAadmin [-\]: But, this fight is running out straight into a lot of white thickness.
Muttley [2k\]: amashi strategy, to be fair to black
XiaoLong [1d\]: g10?
XiaoLong [1d\]: f10 srry
BGAadmin [-\]: G10, or F10, is the sort of crazy move I would play. So it is probably bad.
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;B[dl]C[BGAadmin [-\]: I agree with Muttley, I don't see a better plan for B.
BGAadmin [-\]: I think F11 now.
BGAadmin [-\]: Or, D13?
Muttley [2k\]: if you d13, you are inviting c16 later with the b stones thicker
Muttley [2k\]: so there are consequences to that
XiaoLong [1d\]: d13 i would ply without thinkin
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;W[fj]
;B[gf]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: d13 can't be good
backpack1 [-\]: d13 is a bad pep
backpack1 [-\]: peep
XiaoLong [1d\]: thats why im bad lol
Muttley [2k\]: Maybe b can actually make my h17 work
Muttley [2k\]: I'm not giving up on that
tuquedenne [4d\]: there is still a bad aji in the right group. probably m16 or m15 will be sente for b
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;W[ce]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: I think I'm prefering black now
Muttley [2k\]: can b tenuki this?
BGAadmin [-\]: H10?
Muttley [2k\]: I want H10
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;B[bf]C[Shinichi56 [-\]: b14 only move
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;W[dg]
;B[df]
;W[fg]C[Muttley [2k\]: but now b is getting kicked around a bit
kryft [1k\]: So why is D13 a bad peep?
Muttley [2k\]: earlier it was
BGAadmin [-\]: Later B can play E17 and C17.
BGAadmin [-\]: W has made B stronger.
tuquedenne [4d\]: earlier it was because if white plays c15 after, black wouldn't have answered with b14 :)=
kryft [1k\]: tuquedenne, Ah, of course
BGAadmin [-\]: AS has now used 1:16. AK 0:36
kryft [1k\]: I guess BGAadmin's comments still hold true even after the c15-b14 exchange
BGAadmin [-\]: The time limit is 3:00:00, with 10/10 overtime.
Muttley [2k\]: Is there a dog in the house?
BGAadmin [-\]: No pets of any sort.
Muttley [2k\]: shame, white could have used his time to take it for a walk
Muttley [2k\]: is there a choice other than connect here/
Lothus [1d?\]: yes
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;B[ec]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Force before defending.
Muttley [2k\]: hum
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;W[ed]
;B[ff]C[Lothus [1d?\]: e16 according to breakfast is fameous tesuji
kryft [1k\]: In running battles I'm often not quite sure when peeps like this are good and when they just unduly strengthen the opponent
kryft [1k\]: I tend to badger my teacher about this a lot :)
tuquedenne [4d\]: e17 was really strange
kryft [1k\]: aji keshi?
Muttley [2k\]: I would have just connected and leave the aji for later
joenosai [4k\]: oh wow didn't realise this was going on
BGAadmin [-\]: In about 1 hour's time, we will stop for a lunch break.
kryft [1k\]: BGAadmin, May I ask who you are?
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;W[be]C[Muttley [2k\]: Tim Hunt, BGA 2d
SiaBBo [4k\]: how much they have used their time?
kryft [1k\]: I'm curious to see how this develops, since this is a position I'm sure I'd mess up as either black or white :)
BGAadmin [-\]: AS has used 1:19, and AK 0:40.
kryft [1k\]: SiaBBo, A while ago Black 1:16, White 0:36
SiaBBo [4k\]: ok thx
backpack1 [-\]: h16 ?
Muttley [2k\]: on the "big groups don't die" principle, I would feel obligated to live with e17 now
BGAadmin [-\]: AS (b) is staring intently at the area around C11
Lothus [1d?\]: Andrew Kay \\o/
kryft [1k\]: That group doesn't seem that big :)
Muttley [2k\]: its a natural move, but w's flow is in the centre
BGAadmin [-\]: But, also looking at the middle.
Muttley [2k\]: there's at least 30 points in the centre for w if you do nothing
BGAadmin [-\]: If you play H16 now, the E17 stone just dies.
kryft [1k\]: Muttley, Does that mean there's 60 if white gets to play m13?
Muttley [2k\]: no, 90
tuquedenne [4d\]: it's good for white because of that horrible exchange e17-e16
Muttley [2k\]: since w also has another ponnuki :)
Muttley [2k\]: f17 and try to tough it out
Muttley [2k\]: accept you've lost the initiative here and allow w to poke around further
Hobbes [1k\]: is this a best of... how many,match?
kryft [1k\]: Best of three
Hobbes [1k\]: thx
kryft [1k\]: Next match next Saturday
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;B[gi]C[SiaBBo [4k\]: hmm, was thinking if black will just attack directly
Muttley [2k\]: worried about the centre
Muttley [2k\]: hassle the 4 stones to try to get a foothold in the centre
BGAadmin [-\]: This is the first really long think by AK in this game.
Lothus [1d?\]: :)
Lothus [1d?\]: I am proud of him
BGAadmin [-\]: Background on the British Championship at http://britgo.org/bchamp/
Javaness [2d\]: no pictures :(
BGAadmin [-\]: And, if you don't know, there is a copy of the game by breakfast (Alexander Dinerchtein, 3p) with a live commentary.
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;W[gj]C[BGAadmin [-\]: At the top of the English Game room.
goren2 [2k\]: who\\s winning?
BGAadmin [-\]: Andrew is.
goren2 [2k\]: tks.  good answer
Caode [9k?\]: lol.
goren2 [2k\]: h16
goren2 [2k\]: or h17
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;B[hi]C[BGAadmin [-\]: B H16 or H17 kills the aji of E17.
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;W[hj]C[goren2 [2k\]: h17 doesn't
BGAadmin [-\]: AK (W) has now used 0:53. AS (B) has used 1:27.
BGAadmin [-\]: Time limit 3 hours each, + 10 moves in 10 minutes overtime.
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;B[ij]
;W[ii]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Yay! Cut first, think later.
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;B[ik]
;W[ih]
;B[gg]C[BGAadmin [-\]: AK picks up a stone, then puts it down again.
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;W[fi]C[BGAadmin [-\]: 30 minutes until lunch.
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;B[fh]
;W[hg]
;B[gh]
;W[gm]
;B[im]
;W[go]C[BGAadmin [-\]: That must be cuttable, surely? But then it is a huge semei.
BGAadmin [-\]: Actually, hard to cut.
Muttley [2k\]: Is w ahead in territory now?
Muttley [2k\]: just asking because if so, saving the j9 stones is a losing battle
clydesdale [3k\]: what is the venue?
Muttley [2k\]: the kitchen
BGAadmin [-\]: Possibly W has more territory. If E17 is dead.
BGAadmin [-\]: The venu is my flat in Milton Keynes.
clydesdale [3k\]: thanks
BGAadmin [-\]: Search for "MK9 4AP, UK" on Google maps to get close.
goren2 [2k\]: k13
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;B[hn]
;W[gn]
;B[ip]C[BGAadmin [-\]: The problem for B is that something like C7 probably lets W live.
jyka [1k\]: ok
BGAadmin [-\]: Also, if W C12, or something, that B group only has one eye.
Muttley [2k\]: d12, rather than c12
BGAadmin [-\]: I am not sure which point is best there.
Muttley [2k\]: I thought c12 initiatially, but after b takes the stone at e13 it is sente because of the bad aji
Muttley [2k\]: depends if you think b C11 works
BGAadmin [-\]: C13 is also worth considering for W
BGAadmin [-\]: I definitely prefer W, but I still think both players have a chance to win.
Muttley [2k\]: given the weakness of black's centre stones why not just live with the dragon, and take sente to suppress f17
BGAadmin [-\]: Andrew Kay now standing up.
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;W[il]C[Javaness [2d\]: cute move
Muttley [2k\]: can trade
Muttley [2k\]: or has w just cut?
BGAadmin [-\]: Does B have a follow-up at the bottom, e.g. N3?
goren2 [2k\]: if b has n3, w has c6
BGAadmin [-\]: AK still standing up a bit back from the board. AS holds a stone in his hand.
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;B[hl]
;W[jl]
;B[hm]
;W[hk]
;B[gl]
;W[fl]
;B[fk]
;W[ek]C[toadwarble [8k\]: AK using the Alan Thornton tesuji?
BGAadmin [-\]: I've never been sure it was a tesuji.
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;B[el]C[toadwarble [8k\]: He needs to turn his chair round and kneel on it to do it properly
BGAadmin [-\]: AS has used 1:45. AK has used 1:05.
Tarka [5k\]: white just connect, surely... what am I missing?
BGAadmin [-\]: I am afraid my kitchen chairs do not stack.
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;W[gk]
;B[fm]C[kryft [1k\]: Does he clutch the stone with sweat on his brow and curse in Japanese?
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;W[fk]C[toadwarble [8k\]: no he just says "you bastard" if his opp makes a good move
kmr [1d\]: who is actual champion?
BGAadmin [-\]: AK is defending champion.
Lothus [1d?\]: AK \\o/
kmr [1d\]: ths - so go Uberdude!
Lothus [1d?\]: go home?;p
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;B[fn]C[BGAadmin [-\]: The nest move will be the sealed move.
Javaness [2d\]: is nest a clue
Eng [5d\]: f6 very bad
AppleEye [1d\]: When is the next game?
Javaness [2d\]: next week
Eng [5d\]: p13 and f6 , kyu shapes
isbhal [4d\]: 2k game <3
SiaBBo [4k\]: how long is lunch break?
BGAadmin [-\]: OK. The move has been sealed.
BGAadmin [-\]: AS has 1:08 left. AK has 1:45 left.
BGAadmin [-\]: We will be back in about 1 hour.
Lothus [1d?\]: see you:)
markup [1d?\]: b = big trouble
whuang [3d\]: I think Andrew will win
markup [1d?\]: he has to
reggin: If Andrew loses I will be very disappointed...
backpack1 [-\]: Andrew will win
Caode [9k?\]: *Walks in, looks to see if anyone is looking, then flips over the board*
Tarka [5k\]: oi!
toadwarble [8k\]: Just in case anyone is interested I see Carlsen wins again in the chess match
Lothus [1d?\]: propably here will be a small delay
BGAadmin [-\]: Right. We are back
BGAadmin [-\]: Sorry, lunch was a bit slow.
Tarka [5k\]: hooray!
Tarka [5k\]: What was lunch? Anything good?
BGAadmin [-\]: Andrew Kay had Fish and Chips. Andrew Simons had a burger.
MajorTom [2d\]: i just wanted to ask when thehour will be over
Tarka [5k\]: Brain food, I see...
BGAadmin [-\]: I don't know if that affects your judgement of who is ahead.
BGAadmin [-\]: And the sealed move is ...
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;W[gq]C[Tarka [5k\]: yeah, figured...
MajorTom [2d\]: to me fish n chips is always leading
Tarka [5k\]: (and I'm not just sayin' that!)
MajorTom [2d\]: but in my space ship food is not as good as on earth....
SimbaRules [1k\]: How much time left on the clocks, BGAAdmin?
Spirit [-\]: Go Andrew!
SpaceGoat [3d\]: you're mad if you think Andrew is going to win
Spirit [-\]: That's what he told me as well but that doesn't stop me
Tarka [5k\]: How much longer are these 'both their names are Andrew' jokes going to continue?
Javaness [2d\]: 3 or 4 more days
Tarka [5k\]: Ah, ok.
Betwixt [6d\]: that's what they said when the over 9000 jokes just came up..
BGAadmin [-\]: When we get bored of that we can go back to Go puns.
Muttley [2k\]: Plot twist: they are Siamese twins separated at birth, but only the BGA know sit
Muttley [2k\]: that's why they can read each other's thoughts so easily
SpaceGoat [3d\]: that explains the difference in haircuts as well
chibimin [2k\]: what if they are aliens from space and the fate of this planet hangs on the outcome this game?
Spirit [-\]: Gee 3 hours thinking time?
Spirit [-\]: Wish that we had that at home
chibimin [2k\]: brits take their championships seriously
SimbaRules [1k\]: BGAAdmin, how much time left on clocks?
BGAadmin [-\]: Andrew Simons has 0:55 left. Andrew Kay 1:45. Then it is 10 moves in 10 minutes overtime.
Ironbeard [?\]: Gotta have them tea breaks
Neuneck [7k?\]: tea is a great idea, actually :D
chibimin [2k\]: why don't they have tophats and monocles?
Muttley [2k\]: thy save that for the decider
Muttley [2k\]: old chsp
Muttley [2k\]: chap
BGAadmin [-\]: Another photo from before lunch: https://twitter.com/tim_hunt/status/401722381984481280
dutch2dan [1d\]: @chibimin... They are in disguise :D
Muttley [2k\]: They are aliens, look at all the beetles on the wall
BGAadmin [-\]: Acutally, neither Andrew has had any tea or coffee yet. The are both just sipping water.
Muttley [2k\]: they are attracted to them by their unearthly pheromones
chibimin [2k\]: I got hiccups from laughing :(
Muttley [2k\]: Incidientally, has anyone told Andrew Kay of the BGA tradition of cutting off the losing champion's pony tail, like in samurai times?
chibimin [2k\]: oh great, now there's juice all over my screen
dutch2dan [1d\]: why don't you tell him, Muttley?
toadwarble [8k\]: i suspect he won't have to worry about it
Muttley [2k\]: because he has the good sense to ignore me :)
Betwixt [6d\]: looks like a serious event from the pic
Lothus [1d?\]: I don't wodner why :P
Betwixt [6d\]: kinda weird
Muttley [2k\]: black's position has got seriously horrible over the past few moves :)
chibimin [2k\]: white is not much better off
chibimin [2k\]: what about j3 for black?
chibimin [2k\]: any thoughts?
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;B[jm]C[moyamero [2d?\]: Breakfast is analyzing all these variations
Muttley [2k\]: I'd have said "essential at some point
BGAadmin [-\]: Yes, for those who have not realised, breakfast (Alexander Dinechtein, 3p) is doing a live commentary in another copy of this game.
Betwixt [6d\]: how many tournaments take place in the uk each year?
BGAadmin [-\]: about 25 I think.
BGAadmin [-\]: See http://www.britgo.org/tournaments/
chibimin [2k\]: oh, cool
chibimin [2k\]: did not notice it ealier
chibimin [2k\]: *earlier
BGAadmin [-\]: The bit one coming up is the London Open, on the last 4 days of this year.
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;W[kl]C[BGAadmin [-\]: *bit -> big ;-)
BGAadmin [-\]: That is always a really great tournament. 7 rounds. 90 minutes per player.
Betwixt [6d\]: i really don't understand why you don't have any high dans
SpaceGoat [3d\]: who doesn't have high dans?
Betwixt [6d\]: uk..
chibimin [2k\]: do they all smoke pot?
chibimin [2k\]: dans, I mean
Javaness [2d\]: *cough*
BGAadmin [-\]: http://www.britgo.org/tournaments/logc
Betwixt [6d\]: your orginization seems very serious
chibimin [2k\]: sorry, smoking pottery is wrong
BGAadmin [-\]: Betwixt, you obviously have not met Francis Roads ;-).
SpaceGoat [3d\]: what is his rank?
Betwixt [6d\]: i don't see him on the egd list
BGAadmin [-\]: Every go organisation needs someone who can play the Crumhorn and Serpent.
BGAadmin [-\]: And write Go songs.
Javaness [2d\]: the BGA has never had a factory line approach
Betwixt [6d\]: no orginizations in europe can afford a factory
Betwixt [6d\]: but since the uk has so many tournaments
toadwarble [8k\]: At least we're all individuals even if our Go is crap
Betwixt [6d\]: i would excpect them to be stronger O:
Betwixt [6d\]: my country only have 2-3 tournaments a year O:
Javaness [2d\]: which country are you from
BGAadmin [-\]: The problem is, people get fairly strong while they are at universtiy, then they got out and get well paid, but busy jobs, and can't spend enough time playing go.
BGAadmin [-\]: E.g. Matthew Cocke was 5d, then became an actuary.
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;B[hp]C[nugatory [-\]: getting busy social life and well paying jobs...terrible problems to have :(
snowman [-\]: not too usual for go players, though
Lothus [1d?\]: when I started my studies I didn't improve at all, so maybe it depends on type of  studies :P
SpaceGoat [3d\]: haha
BGAadmin [-\]: However, there is a group of younger players, including the two Andrews, Nick Kremple, etc. who are all getting strong. It will be good to see how far they get.
Lothus [1d?\]: I mean, since
SimbaRules [1k\]: We had a training weekend with Guo Juan recently.
SimbaRules [1k\]: But those kinds of things are pretty rare.
BGAadmin [-\]: Right. That was good.
SimbaRules [1k\]: My reading is very strong but I don't have any strategy.
SimbaRules [1k\]: And it's hard to acquire by myself.
BGAadmin [-\]: I think the goal is two have two training weekends per year.
kryft [1k\]: BGAadmin, That's understandable, but I guess it's interesting why it happens in the UK more than in some other European countries. Maybe the vibrant financial sector in London is poaching potential strong go players? ;)
Poney [2d\]: D4
BGAadmin [-\]: Kirsty Healy is on a mission to get more BGA players to 2400 rating.
Poney [2d\]: I don't like black here
SimbaRules [1k\]: I don't know how Kirsty plans to do it.
SpaceGoat [3d\]: If it is all about the financial sector, maybe in a few years, this issue will be solve
BGAadmin [-\]: Run training weekends.
SimbaRules [1k\]: It's hard to get that strong strategically without guidance.
SimbaRules [1k\]: Yes but 2 per year is not going to get people to 2400 lol.
BGAadmin [-\]: But, individual players need to do a lot of practice themselves.
Spirit [-\]: You don't really need a trainger to become strong but a good go library and some time every week to study helps for sure
SimbaRules [1k\]: Yes - but how do you practise strategy? :)
SimbaRules [1k\]: Having a syllabus would be good.
SimbaRules [1k\]: Maybe Guo Juan could help with that.
SimbaRules [1k\]: Studying X book at Y level.
SimbaRules [1k\]: I can do tons of tsumego whenever I want.
SimbaRules [1k\]: But I don't know which general books to read.
BGAadmin [-\]: Lots of study and pro games on your own. Then a few training weekens with Guo, where she points out your mistakes, and what to focus on regarding strategy.
edenchen [1d\]: w is in trouble
edenchen [1d\]: no, I mean b is
SimbaRules [1k\]: Of all the books out there, it is hard to know which to study.
edenchen [1d\]: f5 
kryft [1k\]: SimbaRules, Clearly you study all of them. :P
BGAadmin [-\]: Simba, lots of problems.
SimbaRules [1k\]: I do lots of problems already.
SimbaRules [1k\]: I win because I kill the opponent. :)
SimbaRules [1k\]: I don't win because I know what I'm doing, fundamentally.
BGAadmin [-\]: I think my favourite go book is Beyond Forcing Moves. What about anyone else?
Poney [2d\]: The middle game of go
kryft [1k\]: Really hard to pick one, to be honest
SimbaRules [1k\]: Otake Hideo's opening book is good.
Lothus [1d?\]: I read only one go book , by Kagayama
Neuneck [7k?\]: i really liked kageyamas 'fundamentals of go'
snowman [-\]: attack and defense, invincible, retirement game
BGAadmin [-\]: Yes, Opening Theory Made easy is also great.
dutch2dan [1d\]: 1. Shusaku, 2. The middle game of go by Sakata
markup [1d?\]: Kage & The Direction of play, too
SimbaRules [1k\]: I like Xuanxuan Qijing for problems.
Betwixt [6d\]: why study books when you can study games?
SimbaRules [1k\]: Those ones are fairly challening.
SimbaRules [1k\]: challenging*
Spirit [-\]: Study Honinbo Shuei for strategy
zen [2d\]: I think problem books are most useful
Betwixt [6d\]: books are for tsumego
Spirit [-\]: but also get to 5d first cause strategy is hard
SimbaRules [1k\]: How do you choose which games, Betwixt?
Poney [2d\]: Maybe because books are studying games Betwixt...
SimbaRules [1k\]: Most pro games are very complicated.
Betwixt [6d\]: why choose when you can study them all? :P
SimbaRules [1k\]: Since it takes an hour or two to study one.
Poney [2d\]: Because on your own, when you don't have the strength yet.. the study is 'wrong'
Betwixt [6d\]: can take less than an hour
Poney [2d\]: You cannot judge
SimbaRules [1k\]: If it takes less than an hour you did it wrongly.
SimbaRules [1k\]: Didn't think enough.
Betwixt [6d\]: i started with pro games as 1 kyu
SimbaRules [1k\]: Hmm.
Betwixt [6d\]: you can understand them just fine
Umitachi [1d\]: even 7k :p
SimbaRules [1k\]: What sort of things do you focus on?
Poney [2d\]: you sure can; but you can't judge variations yourself when it gets complicated
Ootakamoku [5d\]: around the same time I did
Poney [2d\]: Not properly
Umitachi [1d\]: you learn directions and reding skill
Betwixt [6d\]: just try and guess every move
Lothus [1d?\]: can you BGA make a photo where Warfreak2 face will be visible? or you just prefere view at another Andrew :P
Umitachi [1d\]: reading*
kryft [1k\]: Betwixt, How intently did you study individual games?
BGAadmin [-\]: I study pro games on my phone. If I go through them doing guess the next move, then after 5 or 6 times though I a have them memorised. Then I can play through thinking about what the moves mean.
Betwixt [6d\]: what's intently?
kryft [1k\]: Betwixt, I mean how seriously did you study them, how much time did you spend on an individual game etc
Lothus [1d?\]: how strong are you BGA? 2 d?
BGAadmin [-\]: Lothus, the problem is that Andrew Kay is sitting with his back to the window, so his face is in shadow.
BGAadmin [-\]: Once it gets dark, it will be easier to photograph him.
Betwixt [6d\]: if i study them my self, it takes half an hour per game probably
Betwixt [6d\]: if i study with a friend, takes an hour
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;W[eq]C[Lothus [1d?\]: ok, I will wait for christmans to have a better view :P
Ootakamoku [5d\]: I spend around 1h per game, so I do stop to think when trying to guess next move.
kryft [1k\]: Betwixt, Even when you were 1 kyu?
SimbaRules [1k\]: Just guessing the next move is enough to get something? :S
Spirit [-\]: There's no set way to study pro games. Replaying the game helps. Trying to understand parts of it helps too but is hard and takes more time
BGAadmin [-\]: I should probably think more, and guess less.
Spirit [-\]: depends on your level also obviously
Betwixt [6d\]: don't remember, it was 2 years ago
kryft [1k\]: SimbaRules, Sure
Betwixt [6d\]: but you can pay as much time as you want for a game..
BGAadmin [-\]: Wow! 1d to 6d in two years.
Betwixt [6d\]: more like 5
Ootakamoku [5d\]: still that is very fast
Betwixt [6d\]: well, pro games are effective
kryft [1k\]: Well, I remember some people recommending that you don't spend too much time on understanding individual games, as if this could actually hurt you somehow. :P I suppose it can if you believe your conclusions too much
BGAadmin [-\]: Time left is now AK 1:34, AS 0:41
Betwixt [6d\]: you should eat your vegtables kids, and do pro games
yunoo: and try not to swip this
Spirit [-\]: do tsumego too
kryft [1k\]: Betwixt, Did you do other kinds of studying, or just pro games and playing?
Spirit [-\]: books are great
BGAadmin [-\]: For commentary on Pro Games, the T Mark Hall / John Fairbairn books about Go Seigen's games are amazing.
Spirit [-\]: as many as you can get your hands on
Spirit [-\]: doesn't matter the level
BGAadmin [-\]: Well, mostly it is the Go that is amazing.
Betwixt [6d\]: well i do a bit of tsumego before tournies
Betwixt [6d\]: but its just too boring
Spirit [-\]: we amateurs are too weak for most books anyway so there's always sth to learn ^^
BGAadmin [-\]: Though Matthew Macfadyen once told me not to bother to study Go Seigen. His go is so advanced you won't learn anything.
Spirit [-\]: well for 6d's Go Seigen is worthwhile, below that...
Ootakamoku [5d\]: the pro games I study, I try to pick players with simple solid style
BGAadmin [-\]: But, they are fun games to look at.
Spirit [-\]: in NL some guys got dutch champion after studying Go Seigen
Betwixt [6d\]: chinese games are probably the best to study
Spirit [-\]: but those guys were probably too serious ^^
kryft [1k\]: Betwixt, Ok, perhaps my current plan of mainly playing myself and reviewing pro games (and taking lessons from a strong player) will work then. :)
snowman [-\]: yeah, even if you don't understand, the awesomeness gives you a lift
Spirit [-\]: shuwa and shuei are good imho. Their play is easy to understand
Spirit [-\]: pro games nowadays are too complicated with a lot of fightinh
Ootakamoku [5d\]: Kong Jie or Xie He
Betwixt [6d\]: the problem with old games, is that they are old
Dawkins [1d\]: I have ever seen w in kgs.
BGAadmin [-\]: I got to 1d by spending a week at the end of one term at university just going through Graded Go Problems for begginers vols 3 and 4 repeatedly. Suddenly lots of simple reading became almost 100% accurate for me, and that makes a big difference.
Betwixt [6d\]: and most fusekis played there are known to be bad now
snowman [-\]: nah, in the opening you can play anywhere
snowman [-\]: old style or new
kryft [1k\]: That reminds me that I should probably go back to graded go problems vol 4 now; maybe by now I could get to the end. :)
BGAadmin [-\]: Yes, the last quarter gets quite hard.
kryft [1k\]: Another round of Life & Death probably wouldn't hurt either, lots of useful shapes there
Spirit [-\]: I didn't recommend any old games but shuwa and shuei specifically
Spirit [-\]: and old is not in itself a bad thing
kryft [1k\]: What about Shusaku?
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;B[er]C[BGAadmin [-\]: If an opening is now considered bad, but 9ps were happy to play it for years, it can't be that bad.
Lothus [1d?\]: I am the only one wo likes shusaku here ;)
Spirit [-\]: I don't like shusaku but sure why not ^^
Ootakamoku [5d\]: I have been going over Shueis games for the past few weeks and even tho they are becoming easier to guess I find the joseki and fuseki choices... funny.
BGAadmin [-\]: You may lose a fraction of a point, but you will make many more bigger mistakes.
Spirit [-\]: well shuei can win in the fuseki on no komi but that's 7 points only. 
Spirit [-\]: so worry about that if you're pro
wtw [6d\]: with that logic you might as well go back to 16-th century fuseki
kryft [1k\]: Spirit, Why don't you like Shusaku? :)
wtw [6d\]: I mean, people were happy to play it for a long time
markup [1d?\]: well, why not
Spirit [-\]: he's slightly boring and a bit overrated in the west
markup [1d?\]: if you like the style, it's ok for ama level
Betwixt [6d\]: ppl were happy to play chess for along time also O:
Spirit [-\]: but I guess he's good to study still
Spirit [-\]: my style is more go seigen like ^^
Dawkins [1d\]: who's shusaku?
SiaBBo [4k\]: lol
snowman [-\]: this is going downhill
yunoo: anand lost today
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;W[gp]C[Spirit [-\]: again? oh dear
diplodokyu [?\]: solid play by w
kryft [1k\]: snowman, Are you referring to the game or the kibitz (or perhaps your comment is a splitting attack)?
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;B[hr]C[Ootakamoku [5d\]: snowman, just following normal progression of kibitz
Spirit [-\]: but I think shuei is stronger than shusaku
Spirit [-\]: also more modern
wtw [6d\]: sigh
Dawkins [1d\]: This seems dangerous for w, doesn't it?
BGAadmin [-\]: Perhaps we should be discussing this fight, but it is so complex.
wtw [6d\]: why do these things always devolve into strength comparison of people dead for a hundred years ?
ben0 [6d\]: complex ?
ben0 [6d\]: white is just dead
Ootakamoku [5d\]: oh, there was a game going on..
Spirit [-\]: why devolve?
wtw [6d\]: I dunno ben, breakfast seemed to think there was something w could do
kote [1d\]: there s no sunshine for w.
Ironbeard [?\]: I don't even know what's happening on the board anymore :P
snowman [-\]: it was stupid to save those three stones
Spirit [-\]: just my feeling
yunoo: there is some aji
Spirit [-\]: but don't take stuff I say at face value ^^
markup [1d?\]: G4 at F5 :( why, w
BGAadmin [-\]: For those who joined us recently, breakfast (Alexander Dinerchtein, 3p) is doing an analysis in another copy of this game.
Dawkins [1d\]: Are both players British?
BGAadmin [-\]: YEs.
snowman [-\]: sasha: "D4, a big mistake"
snowman [-\]: G4, sorry
Spirit [-\]: Seems pretty hard for white this
markup [1d?\]: w lost any flexibility
wtw [6d\]: still complicated
BGAadmin [-\]: Even if W loses the whole corner, he is not that far behind on territory.
jyka [1k\]: uk going to brazil 2014 ? 
markup [1d?\]: i think w is trying to force a ko spectacle
kryft [1k\]: What's the best move (sequence) for black to defend the upper group if white plays something to prevent two eyes locally? (Not suggesting that he would do that now, just wondering)
Umitachi [1d\]: d6 tesuji mode :p
markup [1d?\]: w H16 seems sente
BGAadmin [-\]: AK's hand is poised in the air with a stone
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;W[dp]C[markup [1d?\]: yes
JoStrummer [4k\]: I'm supporting black simply because Warfreak2 is a prig
JoStrummer [4k\]: Sanctimonious know-it-all
wtw [6d\]: is not
backpack1 [-\]: ^^ hahaha not too wrong ;)
Sheriffi [-\]: bisoob
BGAadmin [-\]: Please be polite, or I will have to turn off comments.
CGBSpender [-\]: please keep those comments for yourself..
BGAadmin [-\]: What happens if B plays F3?
Betwixt [6d\]: why play there?
Muttley [2k\]: Its OK BGAadmin, if people misbehave they can enjoy the weather instead.   Be a shame not to be able to discuss it
Lothus [1d?\]: Warfreak is great \\o/
moyamero [2d?\]: Alexander said there would be a ko that B must win
Betwixt [6d\]: with c3?
moyamero [2d?\]: if B plays F3
Betwixt [6d\]: what's the porpuse of f3?
Stuttgart [?\]: who are the players? (Android doesn't show) 
markup [1d?\]: with C3 too
Betwixt [6d\]: porpose? *
moyamero [2d?\]: BGAadmin was asking ...
BGAadmin [-\]: Black is Andrew Simons (uberdude, 4d)
BGAadmin [-\]: White is Andrew Kay (Warfreak2, defending champion, 4d)
robs [1k\]: are they really only 4d ama?
Javaness [2d\]: yes
Umitachi [1d\]: i can't see w living if b plays good
Welvang [7d\]: nope he's lying
BGAadmin [-\]: AS has 29 minutes left. AK has 1:24. Overtime is 10 moves in 10 minutes.
Stuttgart [?\]: Thank you, BGAadmin :) 
Javaness [2d\]: I suppose in some countries they might even get demoted to 3d
kryft [1k\]: I thought Andrew Kay was 5 dan?
Betwixt [6d\]: 5d kgs is not 5d euro
kryft [1k\]: At least that's what the BGA dans page claims
BGAadmin [-\]: http://www.britgo.org/ratings/current.html
Umitachi [1d\]: just c4 is ok
markup [1d?\]: ko
kryft [1k\]: Betwixt, Yes, I wasn't referring to KGS
BGAadmin [-\]: Both are 2368 Euro rating.
Betwixt [6d\]: c4 doesn't look ok to me
Umitachi [1d\]: because of f6?
Javaness [2d\]: Kay was awarded 5d by the BGA though
Umitachi [1d\]: d6*
kryft [1k\]: Oh, I see, having been awarded a 5 dan diploma doesn't necessarily imply that their current rating is 5 dan
Lothus [1d?\]: it was 1 year ago
Betwixt [6d\]: awarded 5d? oO
Javaness [2d\]: you get a certificate
Javaness [2d\]: I believe it is yellow
moyamero [2d?\]: I got a 4d certificate from the BGA. But I must be around 2d now :p
Lothus [1d?\]: how long time ago did you get it?
BGAadmin [-\]: AK's Gor peaked at 2424, which must be when he got the 5d cert.
moyamero [2d?\]: Some time ago. Don't want to show my age :p
Lothus [1d?\]: :)
Betwixt [6d\]: i've just got promoted to 2d a month ago :P
moyamero [2d?\]: I can see Simon Shiu is 2d now. We were in the same club and going up together.
BGAadmin [-\]: AS's ragint is the highest it has ever been.
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;B[fq]C[Lothus [1d?\]: and I wasn't promoted to x dan at all ;)
BGAadmin [-\]: *rating
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;W[gr]C[BGAadmin [-\]: AK muttered "Dare I?" before playing that move.
BGAadmin [-\]: AS sighed when he saw it.
Gor [2d\]: how much time one needs to invest to reach 5d?
Lothus [1d?\]: like anime character
Gor [2d\]: it seems people spend zoden of hours
Gor [2d\]: just to improve one stone
Dawkins [1d\]: That looks a proper move for w.
Lothus [1d?\]: w is so cool :))
toadwarble [8k\]: time check?
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;B[ep]C[backpack1 [-\]: game over :)
BGAadmin [-\]: AS has 23 minutes. AK has 1:23.
wtw [6d\]: meh. what a boring conclusion
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;W[ir]
;B[km]C[Lothus [1d?\]: huhu
Umitachi [1d\]: lol
snowmen [3d\]: Andrew is winning
Welvang [7d\]: nice joke.
Lothus [1d?\]: Andrew is already a champion
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;W[mm]C[Umitachi [1d\]: really nice move
BGAadmin [-\]: How many liberties does B need to get for his two stones in the centre, before he can kill the W group on the left?
Betwixt [6d\]: alot
Stuttgart [?\]: how many won games are needed to win the title? 
kryft [1k\]: 2
Javaness [2d\]: i wonder why it changed from 3
Enceladus [2d?\]: is b Simmons?
BGAadmin [-\]: Yes
Enceladus [2d?\]: tricky for b imho
BGAadmin [-\]: Becuase having to commit 5 whole days (potentially) to the title match is a lot to ask of the players.
Stuttgart [?\]: I wonder if it is helpful or distracting for b to have recently fallen in love 
Betwixt [6d\]: helpful
markup [1d?\]: should help
Stuttgart [?\]: for his go game I mean :) 
BGAadmin [-\]: I think that even if B lives everywhere, W might still have more territory, but it is not clear.
kote [1d\]: heat makes you smarter :) 
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;B[mn]C[Pempu [3d\]: quality kibitz 
Stuttgart [?\]: isn't b's girlfriend a go player? In that case it might really benefit his go :)  
Lothus [1d?\]: I hope distracting
Lothus [1d?\]: she is strong, she is 3 d 
Firzen [3d\]: So I actually could go to sleep and be back before the end
Firzen [3d\]: how is the time looking?
crashfro [3k?\]: nobody knows
BGAadmin [-\]: AS has 14 minutes left. AK has 1:16.
Firzen [3d\]: So not surprised AS is about to run out of time
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;W[ln]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Overtime is 10 moves in 10 minutes. You can play a lot of Go at that speed.
plusguy [-\]: mm
markup [1d?\]: name has war in it for a reason
plusguy [-\]: w can just defend at M8 and win by 20 points
plusguy [-\]: its far over right now
plusguy [-\]: :p
BGAadmin [-\]: Not if B M3 is  a threat.
quinza [6k?\]: Andrew S has a Lot of practice with 10 moves in 10 minutes (mostly faster) play
plusguy [-\]: w can protect bottom in sente because b is weak
plusguy [-\]: b cant do anything
plusguy [-\]: w is too thick everywhere
BGAadmin [-\]: Right. If W plays the right move, he should win.
Lothus [1d?\]: \\o/
BGAadmin [-\]: *moves
plusguy [-\]: w wins unless he makes some huge mistake that will make him lose over 20pts :p
Gor [2d\]: which one of them is the challanger
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;B[ll]
;W[jj]C[BGAadmin [-\]: As is the challenger
BGAadmin [-\]: AS
crashfro [3k?\]: warfreak and uberdude. hm. how about both lose?
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;B[hq]
;W[hs]C[BGAadmin [-\]: AS has 10 minutes left.
Tarka [5k\]: Seme-ai-ai-ai-AI
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;B[kp]
;W[lr]
;B[lm]C[backpack1 [-\]: n7 was a mistake
moyamero [2d?\]: Yes. Alexander suggested M8 instead
backpack1 [-\]: oh, i see
markup [1d?\]: is the freak really able to keep it simple
moyamero [2d?\]: Only if he realises he's ahead
BGAadmin [-\]: Even then, I am not sure it is in his nature to keep it simple.
moyamero [2d?\]: hehe
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;W[dh]C[markup [1d?\]: indeed
BGAadmin [-\]: Specially for Lothus: https://twitter.com/tim_hunt/status/401744434536382466
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;B[ci]
;W[cj]C[BGAadmin [-\]: AS has 2 minutes left of main time. AK has 1:08.
markup [1d?\]: not clear what w gains with D12
BGAadmin [-\]: I am guessing B10 next.
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;B[ch]
;W[di]
;B[bj]
;W[bk]C[Eng [5d\]: B will keep making mistakes under time pressure
BGAadmin [-\]: AS just gone into overtime.
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;B[ai]C[BGAadmin [-\]: I can only see 1.5 B eyes.
BGAadmin [-\]: Plus the cut.
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;W[cg]
;B[bg]
;W[bh]
;B[bi]C[Renovate [?\]: hunter becomes the hunted
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;W[cl]
;B[eg]C[BGAadmin [-\]: AS just muttered "Discretion is the better part of valour."
BGAadmin [-\]: He has 6 mins left of his first overtime period
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;W[rj]
;B[sj]
;W[rh]
;B[sh]
;W[hc]C[BGAadmin [-\]: I guess AK is trying to claim he has won.
Muttley [2k\]: eee, now we have bad aji and b gets a ko
Muttley [2k\]: c17 please
markup [1d?\]: what does b mean with that quote ?
BGAadmin [-\]: b = black
BGAadmin [-\]: w = white.
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;B[jc]C[Dawkins [1d\]: B's attack was ineffective in the right side at the beginning of the game.
markup [1d?\]: i'll try again... what does Andrew mean with "discretion..."
BGAadmin [-\]: Well, E13 is just about safety.
BGAadmin [-\]: And sometimes you have to do that.
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;W[oc]
;B[ob]
;W[pb]C[markup [1d?\]: but he's losing the game :(
BGAadmin [-\]: Not playing a necessary move is not brave. It is just stupid.
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;B[nb]C[countone [2d?\]: I guess he thought of another more risky option, and decided against it
BGAadmin [-\]: I expect he considered A15, and C7 instead.
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;W[ib]C[BGAadmin [-\]: AS has about 2.5 minutes left to play 1 stone.
BGAadmin [-\]: AK has 1:01 left.
Muttley [2k\]: b really needed to start the ko in the top left
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;B[nf]
;W[lg]C[BGAadmin [-\]: AS into his second overtime period
jyka [1k\]: ok
bert [?\]: go andrew go
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;B[cm]
;W[bm]
;B[cn]C[KurataSan [3d\]: ko
KurataSan [3d\]: ah
Javaness [2d\]: faux ko
KurataSan [3d\]: nevermind
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;W[ld]C[BGAadmin [-\]: I think W is a bit ahead on the board, never mind komi.
Polytech [?\]: british champ is 4d on kgs?!
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;B[jb]
;W[ja]
;B[ka]C[bert [?\]: well, you cant say it is fake
Sanyel [-\]: His KGS rank doesn't matter anyway.
Muttley [2k\]: blasphemy
okiol [1d\]: i think when they write like this it means that their real rank is 4d, not kgs
stumped [?\]: winner goes to the wagc  ?
Lothus [1d?\]: if it will cheer you up uberdude was top player on ogs (9d propably) and now he is losing with "kgs 4 d"
BGAadmin [-\]: Right. In the game info I put their BGA rank.
Lothus [1d?\]: uberdude won with dinerstein on ogs :)
Sanyel [-\]: Is it different than their EGF rank?
okiol [1d\]: stronger than kgs rank i'm sure
BGAadmin [-\]: They both have EGF rating of 2368 at the start of this game!
leachy [2k\]: what is ogs?
Muttley [2k\]: online go server
bert [?\]: ogilvie go server
leachy [2k\]: oh ok
Sanyel [-\]: Ok, so they're also EGF 4d
BGAadmin [-\]: AK has been as high as 2424.
leachy [2k\]: oh i see was nova.gs merge
zikego [2d?\]: when wiill be 2d game? tmorrow?
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;W[ap]C[BGAadmin [-\]: AS has 6 mins to play 6 stones in his 2nd overtime period. AK has 53 mins of main time left.
BGAadmin [-\]: 2nd game is next week.
leachy [2k\]: if he resigns, he won't be under such time pressure
zikego [2d?\]: oO that s a relax championship :)
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;B[an]
;W[bn]
;B[bo]
;W[ao]
;B[aq]C[zikego [2d?\]: 1week breaktime between 2 games, that s it?
BGAadmin [-\]: Sat 23rd, starting around 10:00am UK time. Guo Juan is giving a commentary from 11:00am. 
leachy [2k\]: not the way to defend i think
Sanyel [-\]: It's an British peculiarity in Europe, amongst many others.
Sanyel [-\]: Just like the thinking time.
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;W[am]
;B[bp]C[zikego [2d?\]: it s nice
Javaness [2d\]: 3 hours makes me giggle
leachy [2k\]: what was wrong with w b4 instead of a7?
BGAadmin [-\]: Loses sente.
BGAadmin [-\]: W cannot connect or there is a ko.
Sanyel [-\]: Easier to tenuki ow.
Sanyel [-\]: *now
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;W[ro]
;B[rn]
;W[qo]C[moyamero [2d?\]: A very dangerous Ko fo B, though
BGAadmin [-\]: YEs, and B has to find the first thread.
BGAadmin [-\]: *threat
BGAadmin [-\]: So, not playable.
leachy [2k\]: what ko?
bert [?\]: indeed, but b has to do somethin
BGAadmin [-\]: But, W does not want the risk.
zikego [2d?\]: tenuki looks perfect
bert [?\]: the a0-a10 ko, leachy
bert [?\]: a9*
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;B[po]C[leachy [2k\]: i don't see how to make that though
BGAadmin [-\]: AS into 3rd overtime period
BGAadmin [-\]: AK has 50 mins left.
Javaness [2d\]: is white not supposed to S18 or something
moyamero [2d?\]: I think he has to patch the top first
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;W[qi]C[Muttley [2k\]: s18 r18 seems simple enough
Sanyel [-\]: With a sacrifice in b8 leachy.
zikego [2d?\]: O9 could become big as threat on K7
se30 [5d\]: g18 can be a yose for black
buggler [2d?\]: s18 r18 t17 muttley
buggler [2d?\]: its a yose
zikego [2d?\]: S18 can be good ko threat too
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;B[pq]C[se30 [5d\]: with an aji at c17
Muttley [2k\]: oh
Muttley [2k\]: I was looking at T18 as the first move, doh!
BGAadmin [-\]: I think B knows he is behind.
leachy [2k\]: was no ko at all
Javaness [2d\]: someti,mes the players count
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;W[rr]C[medical [2k\]: whoah, they have long times
medical [2k\]: 2h + byo?
BGAadmin [-\]: 3h + 10/10
zikego [2d?\]: 3
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;B[si]C[leachy [2k\]: ah ok b8 sac thanks ;)
medical [2k\]: sick=)
toadwarble [8k\]: how long is overtime & how many stones?
Lothus [1d?\]: at go congress in Olsztyn it was 2,5 h per player or about and uberdude was often finishing in byo-yomi anyway :P
wicket [2d\]: lol 3? thought it used to be less than that?
Muttley [2k\]: 10 minutes, 10 stones
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;W[om]C[bert [?\]: it makes javaness giggle
Lothus [1d?\]: oh, something is dying?
buggler [2d?\]: P9?
zikego [2d?\]: P9 may kill K7?
buggler [2d?\]: actually probably would just be p9 o9 and not that great for b
zikego [2d?\]: exactly
bert [?\]: p9 q10 o9 n5 o6 p6 
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;B[on]
;W[nn]
;B[mo]
;W[no]C[buggler [2d?\]: m4 is sente on the bottom
buggler [2d?\]: oh no it isnt, sigh... *think before i speak*
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;B[mp]
;W[np]C[BGAadmin [-\]: M4 live that group in sente?
Lothus [1d?\]: haha!
bert [?\]: how can i think before you speak?
Lothus [1d?\]: s8 dead!
BGAadmin [-\]: Not if B plays first.
Lothus [1d?\]: of course
BGAadmin [-\]: Actually, just alive.
zikego [2d?\]: painful
Lothus [1d?\]: but b ahs to add a move
buggler [2d?\]: wouldnt t6 kill ? 
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;B[ok]C[BGAadmin [-\]: T6 answer at T7
buggler [2d?\]: ah yes
buggler [2d?\]: but r7 is sente
BGAadmin [-\]: Oh! R7 is sente
Lothus [1d?\]: first r7
buggler [2d?\]: t6 now :)
Lothus [1d?\]: :))
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;W[pj]C[BGAadmin [-\]: P11?
BGAadmin [-\]: No.
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;B[ml]
;W[nm]C[BGAadmin [-\]: AS has 3 stones to play in 2 mins.
tuerda [1d\]: b has to defend the right side, so the L4 group will be damaged by K4
BGAadmin [-\]: AH has 46 minutes of main time left.
buggler [2d?\]: T6 seems like the natural move for b now
Lothus [1d?\]: AK
Lothus [1d?\]: :)
buggler [2d?\]: as it has a follow up yose anyway
Javaness [2d\]: who is AH and what is he doing in AK's chair
bert [?\]: he says hay
moyamero [2d?\]: And now W has the push at K4 too. This is a nightmare for B
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;B[sn]
;W[jp]
;B[jo]C[Javaness [2d\]: resign
tuerda [1d\]: L5 cut
Lothus [1d?\]: :))
Lothus [1d?\]: capturing 4 stones?
BGAadmin [-\]: AS probalby does not have time to decide to resign.
tuerda [1d\]: w can eat a few b stones
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;W[ko]C[Lothus [1d?\]: \\o/
buggler [2d?\]: N3 and L3 ?
]
;B[dk]C[buggler [2d?\]: timesuji
Javaness [2d\]: I think he has spent enough time thinking about the game to know
tuerda [1d\]: !!
tuerda [1d\]: w ignore!
tuerda [1d\]: kill L7 group
BGAadmin [-\]: Attempted time tesuji.
Lothus [1d?\]: poor uber
buggler [2d?\]: L9 would have been a better timesuji
BGAadmin [-\]: AS now into 4th overtime period
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;W[io]C[zikego [2d?\]: smells dame zumari
buggler [2d?\]: time to resign
Lothus [1d?\]: huhu
buggler [2d?\]: poor uberdude
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;B[ck]
;W[ei]C[tuerda [1d\]: b erased from the board
]
;B[ni]
;W[nh]
;B[jn]C[tuerda [1d\]: L3 here
]
;W[lp]C[bert [?\]: e11 was not needed, methinks
tuerda [1d\]: will kill very cleanly
Javaness [2d\]: the great destroyer !
tuerda [1d\]: ok, this also works
buggler [2d?\]: h5
tuerda [1d\]: I thik L3 was cleaner than M4
tuerda [1d\]: but both work
pointwise [2d\]: l3 would not kill?
tuerda [1d\]: both moves kill
BGAadmin [-\]: L3 does not kill
ubique [3d\]: L3 sure does look like it does.
buggler [2d?\]: i'd be surprised if b didn't resign here
zikego [2d?\]: cant see 2 eyes for the whole group
BGAadmin [-\]: I think.
ubique [3d\]: Umm, sure does NOT.
TyTaLuS [2k\]: l3 m4 
pointwise [2d\]: l3 m4 what then?
BGAadmin [-\]: B has 8 minutes.
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;B[or]C[tuerda [1d\]: OH
]
;W[oq]C[tuerda [1d\]: yes indeed
tuerda [1d\]: haha
buggler [2d?\]: wow.. 
tuerda [1d\]: silly oversight
]
;B[ps]
;W[qr]C[tuerda [1d\]: good thing I am not w
bert [?\]: you're lucky you're no playing
Lothus [1d?\]: he wants to make two eyes in sente?
bert [?\]: not*
TyTaLuS [2k\]: he wants 1 in sente
]
;B[mq]C[TyTaLuS [2k\]: then he makes the other one in gote

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;W[mr]C[BGAadmin [-\]: As resigns])
