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GN[Game 1]PW[Alex Kent (saraneth)]PB[Andrew Kay (warfreak2)]WR[3d]BR[4d]DT[2014-10-11]EV[British Go Championship]RO[Title Match]PC[40 Enterprise Lane, Campbell Park, Milton Keynes, UK]C[BGAadmin [-\]: This is the first game in the 2014 British Go Championship Title Match.
BGAadmin [-\]: We will be starting at about 10:00am (in about 18 minutes)
toadwarble [6k\]: No commentary I believe?
BGAadmin [-\]: No professional commentary on this game.
BGAadmin [-\]: The rules of the Championship say that it is best of 3, unless the player both agree they would prefer a best-of-five.
BGAadmin [-\]: The players just agreed the would like to play a best-of-five, so hopefully we can arrange commentary for game 3 at least.
BGAadmin [-\]: I also hope we will get some strong players watching today, who can enlighten us.
BGAadmin [-\]: We did nigiri earlier. Alex Kent guessed odd, and Andrew Kay revealed 4 white stones, so Andrew is Black.
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;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[pp]
;W[dp]
;B[fc]C[BGAadmin [-\]: The clock has been started, and Andrew immediately plays ni-ren-sei.
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;W[cf]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Last night, Alex told me that is what he expected.
maproomad [-\]: time limits are 3 hours each - what is the overtime?
BGAadmin [-\]: The overtime is 10 moves in 10 minutes.
BGAadmin [-\]: (Even so, last year, Andrew Simons managed to run out of time - while behind on the board)
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;B[id]C[ron [4d?\]: r14 normal, but o17 possible too
BGAadmin [-\]: What about O3 or R10?
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;W[nq]C[BGAadmin [-\]: I guess we shall find out.
pokale [2d?\]: i am pokale
BGAadmin [-\]: In case you were wondering, I (game recorder/relayer) am Tim Hunt. The referee is Alex Rix.
ron [4d?\]: w is asking what kind of game b wants
ron [4d?\]: r6 for territory, but B will probably play q6 high
ron [4d?\]: something like q10 is also possible
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;B[lq]C[ron [4d?\]: strange direction
LEIBNIZ [2k\]: is this now a fight-game?
BGAadmin [-\]: Thank you for your insights, ron. Please keep commenting.
ron [4d?\]: don't know :)
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;W[qn]
;B[np]
;W[mp]
;B[mq]
;W[qp]
;B[oq]
;W[qq]C[ron [4d?\]: in terms of direction, this is bad for B
ron [4d?\]: maybe he planned to play r8 now?
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;B[qf]C[BGAadmin [-\]: I have just checked, and there are no games in the GoGoD database that match this position.
BGAadmin [-\]: Only one game got as far as White O3, and Black Answered at R6 in that game.
BGAadmin [-\]: ron was right, R14 or O17 were normal for white 8.
ron [4d?\]: o2 + o5 good follow up for w
pole33 [1d\]: i never know when to play it 
ron [4d?\]: now maybe w f3 
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;W[ob]
;B[pb]C[ron [4d?\]: q18 played too quick
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;W[oc]C[ron [4d?\]: b should have considered p17 
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;B[pc]
;W[kc]
;B[jb]C[ron [4d?\]: simple response is l18 k17 l15 
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;W[kb]C[ron [4d?\]: good
BGAadmin [-\]: Both players have used about 15 minutes so far.
brembrem [4k\]: l18 should at l18
Blondin [4k\]: that's me or black is doing a better start?
Katsu [6k\]: so war freak was a pro?
ron [4d?\]: w is fine
Katsu [6k\]: or student tourni
BGAadmin [-\]: Andrew Kay is a maths lecturer at Birmingham City University.
Katsu [6k\]: ty
Krapsman [1d\]: what lecturer means?
Katsu [6k\]: professor kinda
Katsu [6k\]: why would b make such a bad shape
ofbusy [3d\]: which shape?
Krapsman [1d\]: can b play d17 now?
Katsu [6k\]: k18
Blondin [4k\]: d18 is fine i guess
ron [4d?\]: apparently b is also not happy with his position
ofbusy [3d\]: its a classic move katsu
Katsu [6k\]: b will lose sente
Katsu [6k\]: and g17 is also open for latter
ofbusy [3d\]: yes
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;B[je]C[ogolony [-\]: k17 ?
ofbusy [3d\]: cant say that g17 is open and the idea of k18 is to prevent w for having enough space for 2 eyes
Katsu [6k\]: l15
Katsu [6k\]: wg17 b g16 for eg w e17
Katsu [6k\]: extra terr wise i mean
Katsu [6k\]: k17 looks best choice though bad result
Blondin [4k\]: if k17 :j18 j17 h17 h16 g17 
Katsu [6k\]: could then connect or l15 b is disconnected then no
ozjohn [4k\]: why not M15
BGAadmin [-\]: M15 is a bit passive. The players need to decide whether they want the fight that Blondin's sequence leads to before starting to play it.
ashing [3d\]: just k 17 is possible
ashing [3d\]: tenuki maybe
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;W[ke]C[Katsu [6k\]: i win ^^
xio [6k\]: d18 or around c9 
ofbusy [3d\]: dont push it katsu w is just 3d :)
Blondin [4k\]: l14 and fight^^
Katsu [6k\]: lol
higgs [7k\]: b m15
Katsu [6k\]: l14 next
Vengence [-\]: Srry who r the players?
Katsu [6k\]: l14 or n 16
Blondin [4k\]: I would tenuki in f3
Katsu [6k\]: no wait hmm d18
ashing [3d\]: c17 probably better than b17
ashing [3d\]: *d18
Katsu [6k\]: would nt it give wall to b weaks tones
Krapsman [1d\]: d17 c17 c18 quite possible no for b?
pole33 [1d\]: Vengence - white is Alex Kent, black is Andrew Kay
Vengence [-\]: Agreed c17 better
Vengence [-\]: Thx
wither [3k\]: two A.K's!
xio [6k\]: machetes and AKs
Katsu [6k\]: ok l14 final bet
wither [3k\]: maybe theyre like.. the same person!
pole33 [1d\]: and the reward is ak-47
wither [3k\]: id rather have ice cream. you can eat ice cream
BGAadmin [-\]: Better than last year when both players were called Andrew.
Katsu [6k\]: lol
Vengence [-\]: C6
Katsu [6k\]: that s why we never say name only B and W
xio [6k\]: everybody in KGS is called Andrew :)
Katsu [6k\]: time plz
Coco [?\]: clamp?
BGAadmin [-\]: Andrew Kay (B) has used 29 minutes. Alex Kent (W) has used 22.
backpack1 [3d\]: clamp is bad
Katsu [6k\]: still early eh
xio [6k\]: maybe b thinks about forcing before iving...
ofbusy [3d\]: l14 only move imo
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;B[kf]C[Blondin [4k\]: yes!!! i win!
Katsu [6k\]: no thats me
xio [6k\]: l14 is nice, w would not tenuki that
tobe30k [1k\]: yes, the only move, why so spen so much time for it?
Blondin [4k\]: no... read on the move 26
xio [6k\]: same reason why w takes time to move now :)
Katsu [6k\]: lol why does every move seem simple then when you look at other side turn... omg
Vengence [-\]: But k14 gote feels alittle slow although probably honte
tobe30k [1k\]: so they do the whole process again every move?
Katsu [6k\]: w cant ignore it
Katsu [6k\]: man this one si hard
xio [6k\]: well, if w k17 now, would b l16?
wither [3k\]: cut cut
BGAadmin [-\]: Amateur players do not often get 3 hours each to play. You have to decide how to use it. Also, you do not want a silly slip early on to spoil the game.
Vengence [-\]: M15 seems fine
xio [6k\]: as opposed to?
Katsu [6k\]: lm15 only move
Oloril [-\]: who are the players?
Katsu [6k\]: k14 finat bet
weiqidevil [-\]: what about L16?
Uberdude [3d\]: hello
BGAadmin [-\]: The players are Andrew Kay (B) 4 dan, defending champion, and Alex Kent (W) 3 dan, challenger.
Oloril [-\]: thank you
wither [3k\]: notice but initials are the same!
wither [3k\]: but..both.. geez
Vengence [-\]: How old is Alex?
xio [6k\]: what is Andrew defending here?
BGAadmin [-\]: M15 is better towards the centre. L16 may make more agi in black's group. This may be what Alex is thinking about.
Katsu [6k\]: k17 
Katsu [6k\]: my money on k17
Uberdude [3d\]: white o3 wwas strANGE direction
BGAadmin [-\]: Andrew is defending the British Go Championship. http://www.britgo.org/bchamp
xio [6k\]: ty
xio [6k\]: Britain strong at go
Katsu [6k\]: really but he s only a 4dan
xio [6k\]: 'only'
wither [3k\]: "a"
Katsu [6k\]: well here there are a lot of 5-6dan
Uberdude [3d\]: britain weak at go
BGAadmin [-\]: I don't know exactly how old Alex is. He is old enough to have left university, so older than 22. Probably yonger than 30. I will try to remember to ask at lunch time.
Katsu [6k\]: no need late 20s
Katsu [6k\]: the professor must be early 30s
Vengence [-\]: Thanks was just wondering about a ball park figure
Uberdude [3d\]: alex is abiut 23
BGAadmin [-\]: The other question is, after White M15 and Black B13 (or whatever), is the white group 100% alive?
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;W[le]C[Uberdude [3d\]: andrew 25
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;B[lf]C[Uberdude [3d\]: not 30s
Katsu [6k\]: he said lectures
Uberdude [3d\]: maybr 26 or 27 now
ron [4d?\]: l15 bad, should have k17 
Uberdude [3d\]: yes he is a lecturer
Uberdude [3d\]: not a professor
Uberdude [3d\]: and i went to university with him and he is younger than me
Uberdude [3d\]: and im 29
Katsu [6k\]: i see
BGAadmin [-\]: Well, lecturer in the UK is probably the same as a junior professor in the US.
ron [4d?\]: o15 I guess
Katsu [6k\]: so 4 bac 2 Ma no 4 DOC
ron [4d?\]: bad for w to be covered like this
Uberdude [3d\]: was l16 possible
Katsu [6k\]: 5 cookies w will just try to live now
tobe30k [1k\]: the other question is, is the life worthy enough?
Katsu [6k\]: he cant tenuki 
Uberdude [3d\]: is there pro comment?
Katsu [6k\]: not Twoeye here
Katsu [6k\]: does britain have pros i only know 1 guy redmond something
Katsu [6k\]: 9p
gryph [7k\]: redmond's american
Katsu [6k\]: really oh
BGAadmin [-\]: There is not pro commentary on this game (or the next game tomorrow). We will try to arrange something for game 3.
Katsu [6k\]: ask a KGS 9dan
BGAadmin [-\]: We tried to find a commentator for this game, but we did not succeed in the time avaialble.
rex27 [1k\]: whats rhe players 's rank plxs
Oloril [-\]: such is life
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;W[ne]C[Katsu [6k\]: it s on the name tag
ron [4d?\]: k17 instead of l15 
ron [4d?\]: k17 j17 j18 h18 k19 bad for b
Katsu [6k\]: i win ife
Katsu [6k\]: life*
ron [4d?\]: if k17 j18 , then j17 h17 h16 h18 h15 m15 e17 also bad for b
Katsu [6k\]: ok b will j14 or  d18 hmm
Katsu [6k\]: k17 b will j17
BGAadmin [-\]: Alex's rank in face-to-face tournaments: http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/Player_Card.php?&key=15098028
BGAadmin [-\]: And Andrew: http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/Player_Card.php?&key=14613720
Uberdude [3d\]: yeah w let b turn k15 into a good move
Uberdude [3d\]: but ron h18 and g18
wither [3k\]: it seems Alex declared he was 1dan before he really was 1dan
Katsu [6k\]: maybe n16 probe
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;B[mc]C[ron [4d?\]: pft
Katsu [6k\]: i m a genius lol
toadwarble [6k\]: you said n16 not n17
ron [4d?\]: n16 different than n17 
xio [6k\]: n17 lol :)
Katsu [6k\]: lol same thought
ron [4d?\]: n16 white would be happy to connect n15 
wither [3k\]: i declare its all the same
BGAadmin [-\]: wither, or rating takes some games to catch up with real rank.
Katsu [6k\]: no KGS are accurate in way
ron [4d?\]: I guess B wants n18 n15 
Uberdude [3d\]:  p16 first feeling
Katsu [6k\]: this looks like a goproblem
ron [4d?\]: but n17 is a bad move
Katsu [6k\]: just a probe
ofbusy [3d\]: w simply n14
ron [4d?\]: n14 p16 ?
Katsu [6k\]: p16 maybe
ron [4d?\]: p16 is ok
Katsu [6k\]: no wait
Uberdude [3d\]: b n19 is no good with k17 problem
Katsu [6k\]: well it looks like endgae aji
ofbusy [3d\]: b has n19 aji its embarassing
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;W[od]C[Katsu [6k\]: HA!
ron [4d?\]: good
Blondin [4k\]: What the tesuji!
Katsu [6k\]: d18 now
Katsu [6k\]: get a BASE!! b
wither [3k\]: strange development when for the first time tournament title was given to a 6k commentator rather than player
Katsu [6k\]: to a 6k?
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;B[me]C[Blondin [4k\]: yo!!!! killing move!
ron [4d?\]: n16 probably no choice
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;W[pe]C[Katsu [6k\]: wow w hate you ron lol
ron [4d?\]: q15 ok
Katsu [6k\]: think b wil accept trade
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;B[qe]C[ron [4d?\]: r15 ofc
ron [4d?\]: maybe w wants n14 
ron [4d?\]: probably overplay
Katsu [6k\]: w must n16
ron [4d?\]: yes
Katsu [6k\]: well now q15 looks bad idea
wither [3k\]: pretty sure he anticipated r15
wither [3k\]: it was only one move ahead
xio [6k\]: nooo, r15 was a tesuji!
Katsu [6k\]: haha
BGAadmin [-\]: After N16, M16, does white then play L16 or N14? 
Katsu [6k\]: still I win i said w would choose life 
ron [4d?\]: n16 n14 m16 maybe
Katsu [6k\]: his personality isnt hard to read ^^
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;W[md]C[Muttley [2k\]: Is there a video stream for the game?
Katsu [6k\]: m16 now
xDragon [?\]: Yes it's so hard to predict that he would rather live than die
BGAadmin [-\]: No video stream. We thought about organising that too, but did not.
Muttley [2k\]: that's ok, thanks
Katsu [6k\]: i predicted this 15 moves ago
BGAadmin [-\]: I am not sure a video steam would be very interesting.
BGAadmin [-\]: I could put a photo on Twitter.
Muttley [2k\]: don't worry :)
wither [3k\]: put yourself in it too
wither [3k\]: let us know everyone involved
xDragon [?\]: Ok time to censor that 6 k, maybe it'll work on mobile this time
Katsu [6k\]: i think w should fight soon and cut the k14
xDragon [?\]: Nope it didn't
xDragon [?\]: Wms fix plz
ogolony [-\]: m16 n14 l16 ?
ron [4d?\]: that seems bad for b
xio [6k\]: you can submerge in 6k wisdom :)
Katsu [6k\]: l16 then n15
Katsu [6k\]: b gets sente still
ofbusy [3d\]: tough call for b here :)
wither [3k\]: cant he just close up and then w has that dangling thing
Muttley [2k\]: if you mean connect at n14, is that gote?
ron [4d?\]: m16 n14 l16 m17 n15 m15 then n18 and k17 are miai
ofbusy [3d\]: i was being ironic
wither [3k\]: i dunno. is it gote?
Muttley [2k\]: ah, I was replying to wither, if you meant me, ofbusy :)
wither [3k\]: i meant n14 ;o
wither [3k\]: strong like solid wall of strength
ron [4d?\]: b will play n14 
ron [4d?\]: it's sente
ron [4d?\]: but then it's hard to use the wall
Muttley [2k\]: is it sente if w replies at L16, does w threaten to cut?
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;B[mf]C[Katsu [6k\]: safe play it is
ron [4d?\]: maybe b will fix the cut, e.g. m16 j13 
ron [4d?\]: useless wall anyway
Muttley [2k\]: I think so, in which case, its not sente
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;W[kd]C[Muttley [2k\]: unless you think w needs to add another move inside
BGAadmin [-\]: Here is a photo of everyone except me: https://twitter.com/tim_hunt/status/520882590501588992
Katsu [6k\]: now we look like how we were beofer
wither [3k\]: dont sell yourself short admin
hardart: o14?
wither [3k\]: chairs look cozy but theres no place to set a drink down
ron [4d?\]: locally w is alive
ron [4d?\]: even if B defends the j17 cut, after b n19, o18 lives
Katsu [6k\]: j18 now for w?
BGAadmin [-\]: Both players have now used about 45 minutes.
ron [4d?\]: tough decision for b now
tobe30k [1k\]: there is a fan, and no tea?
wither [3k\]: no place to set tea
Muttley [2k\]: if the wall is useless, I doubt b will protect the cut
wither [3k\]: looks like neat stuff in the cabinet behind.
Muttley [2k\]: will try to take sente instead
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;B[ql]C[tobe30k [1k\]: there is a talbe on the left
ron [4d?\]: o2 
BGAadmin [-\]: There is space for tea beside the clock.
Katsu [6k\]: yes this guy is a proper dan
BGAadmin [-\]: But so far, both players have had one cup of coffee.
Muttley [2k\]: good to know, Katsu
Katsu [6k\]: lol you got it mutt
tobe30k [1k\]: my friends always put the drinks and food on the board directly
xDragon [?\]: Hes mocking you. We all are
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;W[pm]C[xio [6k\]: we don't need to worry about pro comments anymore :)
Muttley [2k\]: they're not friends, tobe30k
ron [4d?\]: q7 to fix s5 in sente
Muttley [2k\]: I'm not mocking Katsu :))
tobe30k [1k\]: why not?
xDragon [?\]: You should be though
wither [3k\]: someone said b would go for r8 back in like move 14
ron [4d?\]: then w will tenuki
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;B[pl]C[Muttley [2k\]: someone who puts a drink on a goban?  nooooo
ron [4d?\]: w can tenuki now
Katsu [6k\]: that goban isnt the cheap kind
Muttley [2k\]: d6 or d7?
xio [6k\]: doesn't matter, one ain't put stuff on a goban :)
Matt [2k\]: o5 first?
Muttley [2k\]: or do you f3 as w here?
tobe30k [1k\]: sometime it is just a ban w/o go
Muttley [2k\]: I never know the correct shimari
ron [4d?\]: p13  b can p14 
ofbusy [3d\]: w can 02 p2o5 maybe
minimalist [2k\]: p10 
ron [4d?\]: d11 good option
tobe30k [1k\]: even with go, there is still plenty of space
Matt [2k\]: doesnt o2 give b good corner endgame?
Matt [2k\]: i dont like it
ron [4d?\]: even after o2 p2 o5 p4 , w can still q2 (almost in sente)
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;W[og]C[ron [4d?\]: p14 most likely
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;B[pg]C[ron [4d?\]: o13
ron [4d?\]: maybe too solid
xio [6k\]: too solid is fine :)
ofbusy [3d\]: p12 i think why refuse a fight since k14 not connected
minimalist [2k\]: q12 ?
minimalist [2k\]: w must take the risk
ron [4d?\]: o13 if b j13 , w d11 
ron [4d?\]: w doesn't have to fight
ofbusy [3d\]: o13 is ok
xio [6k\]: I like this sequence too
Muttley [2k\]: so the bottom right falls into the category "big but not urgent" I guess
Katsu [6k\]: cant w ignore he cant create any more weak groups here
Katsu [6k\]: d10 for eg
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;W[ng]C[ron [4d?\]: :)
xio [6k\]: time to protect the cut I guess
Muttley [2k\]: ron, what do you think the proper shimari or move is for w bottom right, if w takes sente there?
minimalist [2k\]: as ron prdicted :)
ron [4d?\]: earlier I suggested f3 
BGAadmin [-\]: Since the black group at the bottom is strong, that makes the bottom a boring place to play. There is nothing to aim at. Other places, like the left side, are more interesting.
Muttley [2k\]: granted w might o2 and o5 first
Muttley [2k\]: ah thanks
BGAadmin [-\]: And, the sun has just broken through the clouds here.
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;B[cc]C[ron [4d?\]: b feels he is behind
Muttley [2k\]: so maybe d6/d7 anyway, just to be high
ron [4d?\]: actually his "wall" can turn into a weak group
Muttley [2k\]: at the moment they are just dame stones
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;W[dc]C[Muttley [2k\]: as you said, no target
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;B[db]C[Muttley [2k\]: e18 for sure
ron [4d?\]: another important decision
Muttley [2k\]: please don't c16
ron [4d?\]: c16 not so bad, depends on the balance
Uberdude [3d\]: why q7
Muttley [2k\]: b connects up
Uberdude [3d\]: s5 didnt work
ofbusy [3d\]: e18 is logical to me too
ron [4d?\]: q7 to protect against s5 in sente
Katsu [6k\]: c18
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;W[eb]
;B[cb]C[Uberdude [3d\]: s5 doesnt work without b o5
ron [4d?\]: agree s5 didn't work
ron [4d?\]: yes
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;W[ec]
;B[be]C[ron [4d?\]: f16 now thick
Muttley [2k\]: now I want my shimari bottom left :/
Uberdude [3d\]: w should have o2
Uberdude [3d\]: and o5
minimalist [2k\]: e14 ?
ron [4d?\]: that's what I suggested
ron [4d?\]: maybe c15 before f16 
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;W[fd]C[ron [4d?\]: ok, this is fine too
ron [4d?\]: b's stones are very weak
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;B[ig]C[ron [4d?\]: oh
ron [4d?\]: but now b14 
ron [4d?\]: b14 c15 d15 
ofbusy [3d\]: so that was b s plan...
xio [6k\]: h14 ?
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;W[ce]
;B[bf]C[ron [4d?\]: c15 not good!
ron [4d?\]: should have b14 , was the punishment I think
Pianman [1d\]: Afraid the cut d14
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;W[bd]C[ron [4d?\]: so bad!
miao [6d\]: <<
ron [4d?\]: b13 was correct
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;B[cd]C[ofbusy [3d\]: i think thats ok for w just a few points difference
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;W[bg]
;B[bc]C[ofbusy [3d\]: and w thickness greater
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;W[cg]C[ron [4d?\]: wasted ko threat
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;B[fq]C[ron [4d?\]: w b14 would have been sente
xio [6k\]: p7 getting big
ron [4d?\]: f4 
ofbusy [3d\]: i like f4 too
BGAadmin [-\]: The black stones at the top middle don't have eyes yet, but there does not seem to be a good way to attack them at the moment.
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;W[dn]C[ron [4d?\]: c14 was a pity I think
ron [4d?\]: c15 *
ron [4d?\]: B can c3 
ofbusy [3d\]: i would c8 but i can understand those who dont agree :p
xio [6k\]: w can't have cornaer and side :)
ron [4d?\]: c8 most aggressive
ofbusy [3d\]: or h11. fun move
Chirp [6d\]: c3 ?
ron [4d?\]: yes I suggested c3 too
ofbusy [3d\]: boring :)
ron [4d?\]: maybe not B's style
Chirp [6d\]: f5 then ?
Muttley [2k\]: b seems pretty pragmatic in terms of style
Muttley [2k\]: if he thinks c3 is right, he'll play it, rather than it being a style choice
Chirp [6d\]: you're hiding the details in "is he thinks it's right"
Muttley [2k\]: c8 seems a little too busy for b maybe
tobe30k [1k\]: it would be around f3
Muttley [2k\]: yeah Chirp, I was thinking "unconsciously though, its still style" :)) or preference, attitude
godevil [?\]: I'll bet on C8
ofbusy [3d\]: ok, c3 then.... pfff...
Katsu [6k\]: j4 or f5 is proper move i think
Muttley [2k\]: c3 maybe a bit too simplistic
ron [4d?\]: standard move nowadays
ron [4d?\]: d2 c3 h4 is old style
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;B[dr]C[tobe30k [1k\]: sooo old
BGAadmin [-\]: Old style it is!
fuffi: vintage!
Muttley [2k\]: welcome to old style :)
BGAadmin [-\]: Both players have now used about 58 minutes.
BGAadmin [-\]: (Well, Alex has used 1 minute more.)
ron [4d?\]: w should have exchanged o2 p2 o5 earlier
fuffi: to me since m3 is super strong d2 looks a bit slow
fuffi: c3 or c8 would have used m3 better imo
ron [4d?\]: c3 looks ok for w now
BGAadmin [-\]: I wonder if we will see F5 instead of H4 for black?
ron [4d?\]: yes probably
Muttley [2k\]: maybe w is considering something like that
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;W[go]
;B[cq]C[baj [1d\]: g5 bad move?
ron [4d?\]: g5 didn't seem necessary
ron [4d?\]: c3 very big
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;W[gq]C[baj [1d\]: the problem is it didnt make any territory
ron [4d?\]: g4 
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;B[bn]C[ron [4d?\]: b6 good too
BGAadmin [-\]: I wonder if W is trying to make black worry about the group at the top?
ron [4d?\]: W clearly made a mistake in direction
colorcoded [2k\]: isn't it only logical white goes tear black territory down instead of building his own up, since he is down on points
ron [4d?\]: w wasn't down on points
fuffi: now he is
ron [4d?\]: f4 
Katsu [6k\]: b5
Chirp [6d\]: e2 ? :D
fuffi: sound nice.... sadly i'm poor
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;W[bo]
;B[co]
;W[cn]
;B[bp]
;W[bm]
;B[ao]C[Chirp [6d\]: that was no good
ron [4d?\]: w lost all the corner territory
ron [4d?\]: for not much
ofbusy [3d\]: they re playing faster
ron [4d?\]: probably w lost the game here
fuffi: yeah
Chirp [6d\]: game isn't lost yet
Katsu [6k\]: w want s side terr
BGAadmin [-\]: My counting is that Black has 3 groups worth 10 points (TL, BL, BR, and if the top righ is all territory, it is about 30 points.
ofbusy [3d\]: there is still q11 for w
BGAadmin [-\]: White has 2 groups worth about 10 points + left side + komi.
Katsu [6k\]: b is ahead unless c10 area becomes w terr
ron [4d?\]: o2 now?
Chirp [6d\]: q11 ?
Katsu [6k\]: e10 maybe
Katsu [6k\]: for ladder too
Katsu [6k\]: or bad idea ron?
kostuek [?\]: k3? b will punch in the area for sure
ron [4d?\]: e10 not so big
sharma [6d\]: black 45 solid cash white 30 and komi I would say(both left and right  side is difficult to count) plus black has an attackable group
Muttley [2k\]: how about g12?
ron [4d?\]: h12 more ambicious
ron [4d?\]: ambitious*
BGAadmin [-\]: Thanks sharma. Good summary.
Muttley [2k\]: mm, guess it is
ron [4d?\]: I was responding to Katsu
BGAadmin [-\]: I don't see how to attack the black group at the top.
Muttley [2k\]: ahh ok :)
BGAadmin [-\]: G13?
ron [4d?\]: g5 + g3 were a mistake in direction
ron [4d?\]: because m3 too solid
Katsu [6k\]: f4 or e10
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;W[hh]C[ron [4d?\]: :^)
Katsu [6k\]: wow
baj [1d\]: so it begins
Katsu [6k\]: nice call ron
Pottu [4k\]: big figth coming
ron [4d?\]: should have played o2 + o5 first of all
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;B[gd]C[Muttley [2k\]: go Andrew!
sharma [6d\]: The main problem is that white cannot expect too much territory on the left while he has defect like b9 and so
sharma [6d\]: b8
Muttley [2k\]: or Alex, whoever
Muttley [2k\]: maybe if w attacks the b group and develops some thickness in the centre, he gets time to repair b8
ron [4d?\]: g15 f15 f14 first feeling
Katsu [6k\]: h9
BGAadmin [-\]: Is E7 an efficient way to defend against B8, or is it just bad?
SimbaRules [1d\]: E7 is poor endgame for white.
SimbaRules [1d\]: And doesn't gain much over just say C8.
Katsu [6k\]: a noral a7 would do since h12 is ladder breaker
SimbaRules [1d\]: Though neither are urgent.
Muttley [2k\]: I think c8 is honte
ron [4d?\]: locally c8 should be correct
BGAadmin [-\]: Thanks Simba & ron.
Muttley [2k\]: e7 could just end up wasted
ron [4d?\]: too slow now of course
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yeah, agree with ron but I don't think black can say play B8 then live.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yeah indeed.
Katsu [6k\]: what about g9 ron?
Muttley [2k\]: I'd rather play L4 as white, and be super ambitious over the centre
SimbaRules [1d\]: It's too vague, white doesn't gain much he doesn't already have.
sharma [6d\]: c8 can be really thick and honte tho
Pottu [4k\]: f 18 solid here
SimbaRules [1d\]: Would you play C8 pretty soon, Sharma? Or too small atm?
ron [4d?\]: w has to avoid f15 atari
ron [4d?\]: he is probably reading g15 
sharma [6d\]: Its pretty big
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yeah G15 seems like the obvious response but maybe it lets black have too many forcing moves for easy life, unsure.
BGAadmin [-\]: W (Alex) is certainly staring intently at that part of the board.
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;W[ge]C[sharma [6d\]: probably I would play it instead h12.This attack is not easy while black no weakness around
SimbaRules [1d\]: How much time do they have currently btw? I just got here :) .
ron [4d?\]: from my reading, this works for w
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yeah I think this is fine for W, but B will live easily.
BGAadmin [-\]: Andrew Kay has used about 1 hour. Alex Kent has used 1:12.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Depends what W is after I guess.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Cool, okay.
BGAadmin [-\]: The players have 3 hours each, plus 10 moves in 10 minutes overtime.
BGAadmin [-\]: We will be breaking for lunch in about 15 minutes.
baj [1d\]: gotta love long games
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yeah, jealous of them :) .
BGAadmin [-\]: I guess the lunch break will be about 90 minutes, then we will resume.
baj [1d\]: tiresome but rewarding
BGAadmin [-\]: Andrew reaches for a stone ... then puts it back.
ron [4d?\]: we will probably see f15 f14 
SimbaRules [1d\]: F14 for black? Wow, aggressive...
Muttley [2k\]: I thought warfreak had been given 5d EGF
ron [4d?\]: h15 g14 too good for w ofc
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yeah but he lost a lot of points in Poland.
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;B[fe]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: So now back to 4d :) .
ron [4d?\]: f14 !
Muttley [2k\]: oh right, I didn't know ranks could go up or down
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;W[ff]
;B[ed]
;W[ee]
;B[fd]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: They're based on a number of rating points.
BGAadmin [-\]: Andrew Kay rating graph http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/Player_Card.php?&key=14613720
SimbaRules [1d\]: And that goes up/down if you lose.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Like KGS.
kostuek [?\]: so why w not just f15 in first place
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;W[gf]C[ron [4d?\]: good
SimbaRules [1d\]: W looks happy here with this locally.
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;B[fb]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: Tenuki time.
Katsu [6k\]: f9
SimbaRules [1d\]: White already has that area.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Doesn't need another stone.
BGAadmin [-\]: I white C8 enough?
SimbaRules [1d\]: If black jumps into like D10, white will either kill or chase out and kill top.
ron [4d?\]: c8 ok
ron [4d?\]: w can also q11 
clydesdale [3k\]: c8
Katsu [6k\]: so the side setteled looks like b can still dive to reduce
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;W[fa]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: Thoughts on K4?
ron [4d?\]: w wants to keep attacking b
sharma [6d\]: need to keep the pressure
SimbaRules [1d\]: Is B still attackable there? Hmm...
SimbaRules [1d\]: I guess if this hane is sente it's worth having.
ron [4d?\]: allowing black e19 would be painful
SimbaRules [1d\]: That's gote too.
Muttley [2k\]: w play c8 and ask b if he have enough
SimbaRules [1d\]: Though B 100% solid of course with that.
sharma [6d\]: but heaven,if black get e19 white cannot get any forcing move
ron [4d?\]: I don't know why w hasn't o2 yet
Muttley [2k\]: bizarre, isn't it
Muttley [2k\]: just a normal kikashi
SimbaRules [1d\]: Huge ko threat, I guess black isn't about to play there.
ron [4d?\]: maybe in his mind he thinks he has
ron [4d?\]: dunno
Muttley [2k\]: my guess would be he's keeping it now as a ko threat for later
SimbaRules [1d\]: Also O2/P2 exchange gives black better endgame in lower right I think?
BGAadmin [-\]: The next move will be the sealed move before lunch.
ron [4d?\]: aftero2 p2 o5 p4 w still has q2 almost in sente
Muttley [2k\]: how long is the break, BGAAdmin?
Lothus [?\]: Andrew!
SimbaRules [1d\]: Ah yes, fair enough.
tobe30k [1k\]: a sealed move?
BGAadmin [-\]: We are going to go out to a restaurant for lunch. (Probably ramen noodles). I guess 90 minutes?
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yeah, long game.
Muttley [2k\]: yes, they are having a break, so one player seals the move
Muttley [2k\]: oh nice, enjoy it
Muttley [2k\]: where is the match being held?  Sounds like London
Muttley [2k\]: if you have somewhere nearby that does ramen
BGAadmin [-\]: We are in Milton Keynes.
Muttley [2k\]: thx
ron [4d?\]: two great brits, john milton, and john maynard keynes
SimbaRules [1d\]: I bet Andrew is thinking if he can tenuki that move.
BGAadmin [-\]: We are here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/40+Enterprise+Ln,+Milton+Keynes,+Buckinghamshire+MK9+4AP,+UK/@52.044797,-0.7421029,486m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x4877aaebef4a3d55:0x7e07cf586dc0f0c3
ron [4d?\]: b can q2 
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yeah, or something like H8.
ron [4d?\]: probably dangerous to tenuki top group tho
SimbaRules [1d\]: Maybe, but Andrew is very, very good at readingf.
SimbaRules [1d\]: reading*
SimbaRules [1d\]: I saw him kill a double ponnuki group once against a 3d lol.
ron [4d?\]: just g19 should be sente, good enough for a sealed move
ron [4d?\]: that gives him more time to think what to do next
SimbaRules [1d\]: Hmm.
SimbaRules [1d\]: After G19/E19 black still has same problem though.
Coco [?\]: Are there still concrete cows in Milton Kaynes?
SimbaRules [1d\]: Wouldn't be surprised to see something like H8 here.
BGAadmin [-\]: The move has been sealed.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Huge if he can get that in without dying at top.
SimbaRules [1d\]: See you guys later :) enjoy food.
ron [4d?\]: I bet B played g19 !
BGAadmin [-\]: Black (Andrew) has used 1 hour 9 minutes. White (Alex) has used 1:15.
SimbaRules [1d\]: I bet not :) .
maproomad [-\]: when are you due to resume?
BGAadmin [-\]: See you at about 14:00 UK time (about 90 minutes from now).
SimbaRules [1d\]: I don't see how white would follow up a black tenuki to attack fiercely here.
SimbaRules [1d\]: If black played a reduction to the left.
tobe30k [1k\]: but if  b has no eye, w can keep attacking?
Imperium [2k\]: h17 would be prety bad for b
Katsu [6k\]: how long left before game resume?
Lothus [?\]: Andrew for the champion! Alex doesnt lok well enought for this!
Lothus [?\]: the break has started around 12:40 and should last aprox. 90 min
BGAadmin [-\]: It turns out that lunch was very efficient, so we are back.
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;B[bl]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Andrew had chicken ramen, and Alex had pork ramen. I am not sure if that has any tactical significance.
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;W[cl]
;B[am]C[Hofobbefes [3d\]: alex will be a bit more sedated this afternoon
AppleEye [3d?\]: I think Alex should've connected solidly here and then tenuki for a very severe attract on black top group 
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;W[ck]
;B[cm]
;W[dm]C[AppleEye [3d?\]: I think this is too passive - very large sente reduction 
BGAadmin [-\]: B K11?
AppleEye [3d?\]: I like K11, but I don't think it's Andrew Kay style 
BGAadmin [-\]: How serious is W Q11?
BGAadmin [-\]: Also, I guess W G18 is a way to start the attack at the top?
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;B[hg]
;W[gh]C[ron [4d?\]: w should o2 
ron [4d?\]: come on
AppleEye [3d?\]: I think Q10 maybe more severe? Because attach and cross cut doesn't work as well 
AppleEye [3d?\]: I think o2 is a mistake - hurts too much white's corner 
ron [4d?\]: do you want q2 ?
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;B[ji]C[Katsu [6k\]: Apple Eye are you goshrine Apple?
AppleEye [3d?\]: I think white has to try to claim a large center now ? Because black has more territory
AppleEye [3d?\]: Lol
ron [4d?\]: k11 good move
AppleEye [3d?\]: Yep 
AppleEye [3d?\]: I agree 
BGAadmin [-\]: Apple eye just said he did not think this was Andrew Kay style. Hence the LOL
AppleEye [3d?\]: Hehe 
BGAadmin [-\]: Both playser have used about 1:20 out of three hours.
Katsu [6k\]: p10?
ron [4d?\]: B is winning
AppleEye [3d?\]: I agree 
Muttley [2k\]: oh goodness, just joined and seen c8 area :(
AppleEye [3d?\]: Yeah.... In sente 
BGAadmin [-\]: The sealed move was the clamp at B8.
Muttley [2k\]: thx, just cloned and replayed it
tobe30k [1k\]: is c8 area bad?
Muttley [2k\]: big reduction in sente, yes
ron [4d?\]: maybe start normal endgame q2 o2 s7 s8 t8 t9 t7 s10 q19 
Katsu [6k\]: but Mutt wasnt g12 ladder breaker?
ron [4d?\]: all sente for w
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;W[pj]C[Muttley [2k\]: it may well have been, but I would have preferred w to c8 and say to black "let's count" :)
ron [4d?\]: this is good too
Muttley [2k\]: I guess, w could have calculated he could allow all this for the sente
Katsu [6k\]: could ve just a7?
ron [4d?\]: no
ron [4d?\]: a7 c7 huge loss for w
Katsu [6k\]: c8
Muttley [2k\]: Katsu, going back before b8, c8 is the honte shape for protecting against clamp and cut, and makes b a7 gote later
Katsu [6k\]: ah i see
AppleEye [3d?\]: I like white's plan - only chance to win a fight around here. Would've been much nicer though if black's to group was weak 
AppleEye [3d?\]: Top *
TurtleDove [4k\]: I would prob p10 even though not sure how it ends
Katsu [6k\]: probe with which move
SimbaRules [1d\]: P10 is dodgy after white plays P11 hane.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Can't cross-cut, white will force through.
Muttley [2k\]: p10 p11 p9
Muttley [2k\]: b will run towards the centre
SimbaRules [1d\]: Then white Q12 and satisfied.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Broke right hand side.
ron [4d?\]: I'm thinking of the s5 probe
SimbaRules [1d\]: White can just block S6 though?
SimbaRules [1d\]: Since he has Q7 already.
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;B[ij]C[ron [4d?\]: s5 s6 p7 p6 q5 
Muttley [2k\]: right hand side is already broken by q10, top corner is safe for 12 points
Muttley [2k\]: ... but b tenuki anyway
SimbaRules [1d\]: Very big, and strengthens tons.
AppleEye [3d?\]: Lol 
SimbaRules [1d\]: top*
ron [4d?\]: p8 first feeling
tobe30k [1k\]: it feels like the left w area is gone
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;W[gj]C[ron [4d?\]: so submissive!!!
SimbaRules [1d\]: ^^ That move is Alex saying "I've counted and this is enough".
SimbaRules [1d\]: You would think, anyway.
tobe30k [1k\]: lol
tobe30k [1k\]: I dont think so
tobe30k [1k\]: but I am just a kyu
TurtleDove [4k\]: or ... can't lose this area, it's all I have ! :)
SimbaRules [1d\]: I don't think black is miles ahead fwiw.
SimbaRules [1d\]: A bit probably, but not tons.
maproomad [-\]: how are they for time?
BGAadmin [-\]: Both players have used about 1:30
maproomad [-\]: thanks
AppleEye [3d?\]: Alex is too submissive this game - too concerned with that (now tiny) territory on the left 
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;B[oh]C[ron [4d?\]: if p8 maybe empty triangle q9 
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;W[ol]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: Can cut then play S6?
SimbaRules [1d\]: As in, P9 for black now.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Then white Q9, black S6? Hmm.
ron [4d?\]: more dangerous
SimbaRules [1d\]: Mmm.
ron [4d?\]: sometimes empty triangle is tesuji:)
kostuek [?\]: r10 r11 q9 p9 q11 p10 r12 to throw some numbers
ron [4d?\]: s10 instead of p9 in your sequence
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yeah indeed or W just gets a wall doing nothing with a cut at P7, not ideal.
ron [4d?\]: probably doesn't work, just a thought
kostuek [?\]: yeah, for some resistence
BGAadmin [-\]: This is the first time since the start of the game that Andrew Kay has used signifcantly more time than Alex Kent.
ron [4d?\]: I would s5 
BGAadmin [-\]: Well, 5 mins more.
ron [4d?\]: s5 s6 p9 q9 p7 o8 q6 r7 r5 corner is cut
ron [4d?\]: or s5 r5 r7 
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;B[ro]C[ron [4d?\]: eheh
TurtleDove [4k\]: be careful if W changes in a phone box
SimbaRules [1d\]: R5 now, then black P9, then cut and S6.
ron [4d?\]: actually r5 cut not that worrisome
SimbaRules [1d\]: Neat, so like playing S6 directly but he gets S5 for free now.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Cool.
ron [4d?\]: but s5 is an advanced tesuji
ron [4d?\]: B wants s6 p9 q9 p7 o8 q6 r7 r5 
ron [4d?\]: I think...
SimbaRules [1d\]: There's no way W will play R7 in that sequence.
ron [4d?\]: right
SimbaRules [1d\]: I think white R5 directly here is better than S6.
ron [4d?\]: r5 r7 
ron [4d?\]: I think
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;W[rn]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: Hmm.
SimbaRules [1d\]: This feels spurious, Q10 will die?
ron [4d?\]: probably p9 q9 p7 o8 q6 q5 
ron [4d?\]: but that's good for b
BGAadmin [-\]: P9, O8?
ron [4d?\]: yes w can back down
ron [4d?\]: but then b q9 painful
SimbaRules [1d\]: P7 better shape if backing down.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yeah indeed.
SimbaRules [1d\]: This is why I think R5 block directly is better. I can't see how Q10 won't get really hurt here.
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;B[pi]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: Wow.
ron [4d?\]: oh
ron [4d?\]: at least w gets p7 in sente
ron [4d?\]: maybe can find a better result
SimbaRules [1d\]: Maybe he figures just connecting under is enough.
ron [4d?\]: still not sure why w doesn't play o2 
SimbaRules [1d\]: inb4 recording error :) .
ron [4d?\]: I guess now not a good time
SimbaRules [1d\]: Poor game tree lol.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yeah lol.
SimbaRules [1d\]: If B connect under he might simply have enough points.
SimbaRules [1d\]: But W can't resist with R10 here.
TurtleDove [4k\]: saving for a rainy day (looks out of the window)
Muttley [2k\]: I want to R10
SimbaRules [1d\]: P9 cut is awful if you R10.
ron [4d?\]: maybe w f2
SimbaRules [1d\]: Black P7 looks troublesome if white tenukies.
Muttley [2k\]: mm, I'm trying to find a way to stop r5 coming out
Nick23 [1d?\]: white r10 is overplay? or 'active play'? so hard to see the difference :)
ron [4d?\]: problem with r10 p9 q9 p10 s9 p7 o8 q6 r5 is altho w could connect b would be too thick
kostuek [?\]: w would like to n12 maybe
ron [4d?\]: w can also
ron [4d?\]: q9 
Nick23 [1d?\]: move like n12 is so calm, I think it's reserved for beginners and high dan
SimbaRules [1d\]: Q9 and black just connects.
Muttley [2k\]: w chose the wrong noodles
ron [4d?\]: can't connect after q9 
SimbaRules [1d\]: Can or can get R5 in.
ron [4d?\]: how
SimbaRules [1d\]: Black cut P9 after white Q9.
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;W[pk]C[ron [4d?\]: p9 p10 p7 o9 q6 r5 ?
ron [4d?\]: W played my move!
ron [4d?\]: :)
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yeah indeed, I think that's best for both sides from here.
TurtleDove [4k\]: claim royalties
tobe30k [1k\]: cut at p9?
SimbaRules [1d\]: I wonder if something neat like black S9 works.
SimbaRules [1d\]: To be able to pull out the cutting stone at P9.
ron [4d?\]: w played good shapes, o13 & q9 
Muttley [2k\]: s9 might work with a squeeze
Muttley [2k\]: check the liberties
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yeah, hmm.
Nick23 [1d?\]: if black plays r5, white resign
Nick23 [1d?\]: ron in your variation
ron [4d?\]: when
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;B[ok]C[ron [4d?\]: cool
Nick23 [1d?\]: never mind, white connect r5 you meant, that makes sense
ron [4d?\]: yes
ron [4d?\]: B can resist
SimbaRules [1d\]: We'll soon see if S9 works for black...
ron [4d?\]: e.g. p10 p7 o9 o8 
SimbaRules [1d\]: Whether or not black extends :) .
Nick23 [1d?\]: black should at least extend one more
Nick23 [1d?\]: it doesn't seem to hurt
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;W[oj]
;B[om]
;W[nk]C[ron [4d?\]: o8 
ron [4d?\]: come on!
Muttley [2k\]: w has a plan
ron [4d?\]: ko
SimbaRules [1d\]: :P B doesn't need to ko here.
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;B[pn]C[Muttley [2k\]: b will fall into a squeeze and lose all the stones
]
;W[qo]C[ron [4d?\]: r5 
ron [4d?\]: good!
SimbaRules [1d\]: Top group too many ko threats.
Muttley [2k\]: ok, w doesn't have that particular plan
SimbaRules [1d\]: Cool ^^ as we thought.
SimbaRules [1d\]: R7 then white O12 to connect?
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;B[qm]C[ron [4d?\]: fighting spirit required o8 
SimbaRules [1d\]: lol
ron [4d?\]: maybe B missed it
ron [4d?\]: o7 ?
ron [4d?\]: maybe not best
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;W[nh]C[kostuek [?\]: o12 seems urgent
SimbaRules [1d\]: ^^
SimbaRules [1d\]: O12 thick.
ron [4d?\]: yes solid
SimbaRules [1d\]: Top black group maybe will get poked again soon.
Nick23 [1d?\]: is white clearly favorable now?
ron [4d?\]: hmm
Muttley [2k\]: nope
Muttley [2k\]: w is behind
Katsu [6k\]: not yet
Katsu [6k\]: s18 is 4 line terr
ron [4d?\]: still a close game
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;B[pr]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: Q2 now?
SimbaRules [1d\]: :D
ron [4d?\]: problem is B starts endgame
tobe30k [1k\]: Simba rules
SimbaRules [1d\]: J3 really big too.
ron [4d?\]: B can try g4 
SimbaRules [1d\]: I know I do :) .
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;W[qr]C[Muttley [2k\]: I think it is time for a glorious overplay by black, anyway, so e9
SimbaRules [1d\]: Hahaha.
tobe30k [1k\]: not you, Simba
SimbaRules [1d\]: :P
Muttley [2k\]: I was wondering about g4 as well
Muttley [2k\]: w has some real weaknesses for yose
SimbaRules [1d\]: For B? Hmm.
ron [4d?\]: in terms of territory B I think is ahead by 10 points
alias [?\]: what tournament is this?
Muttley [2k\]: British ch 1st game
SimbaRules [1d\]: British Championship final match 1.
alias [?\]: okay
SimbaRules [1d\]: Is it first to 3 or first to 2 this year?
BGAadmin [-\]: Best of 5 games match.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Awesome.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Glad they changed it back to best of 5.
Muttley [2k\]: oh, 3-0 then
ron [4d?\]: if w can get f2 , he can win
BGAadmin [-\]: Or, first to three if you prefer.
alias [?\]: what game is this out of 5?
SimbaRules [1d\]: 1.
ron [4d?\]: good yose also q19, and b9 
Muttley [2k\]: 1st
alias [?\]: ok
Muttley [2k\]: I did wonder about q2 by b also
kostuek [?\]: g19 time?
BGAadmin [-\]: B9, not B10?
Muttley [2k\]: maybe too submissive
Muttley [2k\]: g2 sorry
ron [4d?\]: I mean b9 for w
SimbaRules [1d\]: S10 also very big.
ron [4d?\]: because w can take b7 
Alligato [2d\]: did anyone count
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;B[fp]C[Nick23 [1d?\]: ron said b+10
TurtleDove [4k\]: yes, UKIP won
SimbaRules [1d\]: lol
ron [4d?\]: g4 usually more interesting than f4 
Muttley [2k\]: b must think "solid lead"
ron [4d?\]: j3 maybe
SimbaRules [1d\]: J3 for white? Mmm, thin.
ron [4d?\]: also thought of j5 
kostuek [?\]: g18. can't hurt
SimbaRules [1d\]: H17 maybe better for white locally.
Alligato [2d\]: )2, L3
Alligato [2d\]: O2, L3
Muttley [2k\]: g18 might be aji keshi
ron [4d?\]: g18 is good
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;W[hl]C[ron [4d?\]: g4 ?
SimbaRules [1d\]: Wow.
SimbaRules [1d\]: J3 instead.
ron [4d?\]: this is not big, unless w can attack b
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;B[gp]C[Alligato [2d\]: bottom is much bigger
ron [4d?\]: now it's over in terms of territory
ron [4d?\]: g18 good now
]
;W[ho]C[ron [4d?\]: slow I think
Alligato [2d\]: G18, b J5
ron [4d?\]: could consider j5 instead of h5 
BGAadmin [-\]: Both players have 1:12 remaining
BGAadmin [-\]: Of main time. 10 moves in 10 mins overtime.
Muttley [2k\]: does b have to prevent h3?
ron [4d?\]: more like h4 
ron [4d?\]: h4, then j5 hane painful for w
Alligato [2d\]: quite close
Muttley [2k\]: I just wondered whether w could actually live with h3, ignoring the merits of other moves
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;B[hp]C[ron [4d?\]: now it's harder for w to ignore
ron [4d?\]: that's why j5 was better than h5 I think
afar [3d?\]: Surely w has to play g18 and kill all the b stones
afar [3d?\]: It is the only way
ron [4d?\]: yes g18 now
Muttley [2k\]: ok, g18, h16, what's the plan?
SimbaRules [1d\]: You think G18 is best locally? Not like H17?
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;W[io]C[afar [3d?\]: Muttley: to kill all the stones
ron [4d?\]: l12 
AppleEye [3d?\]: B still winning, right? 
Muttley [2k\]: :)
Muttley [2k\]: ok
Alligato [2d\]: looks a safe game for b
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yeah.
ron [4d?\]: this is not good
ron [4d?\]: too slow
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;B[kp]C[ron [4d?\]: lol
ron [4d?\]: b also playing slow
SimbaRules [1d\]: B ahead by 20ish though.
SimbaRules [1d\]: It's fine.
SimbaRules [1d\]: I assume Andrew already read how to live at the top.
SimbaRules [1d\]: So he won't be worried.
ron [4d?\]: w has to attack b now
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;W[pa]C[Muttley [2k\]: there's no real incentive for b to play something a bit livelier if w is going to cruise towards a 10 point loss
ron [4d?\]: good
]
;B[qa]C[Alligato [2d\]: H8 is fatal
]
;W[oa]C[Hofobbefes [3d\]: did someone already shout "resign"?
Muttley [2k\]: a few hours ago, we do have standards you know
]
;B[ga]C[Hofobbefes [3d\]: ok thx
Alligato [2d\]: no shouting
kostuek [?\]: i think, h17 still needs some attention after b connected, but g18 you can leave alone
SimbaRules [1d\]: Over now surely.
TurtleDove [4k\]: yes, this is England
]
;W[ea]C[Alligato [2d\]: this is a British game
]
;B[hb]C[ron [4d?\]: nice by B
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;W[qb]C[Muttley [2k\]: resign for the empire!
ron [4d?\]: B showed good sense
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;B[qc]
;W[rb]
;B[rc]C[ron [4d?\]: q19 clearly wrong timing
Alligato [2d\]: anf win for the ...
ron [4d?\]: b9 
ron [4d?\]: w can still win
ron [4d?\]: if he plays really good yose
SimbaRules [1d\]: B9/S10 very large.
Muttley [2k\]: pretty sure w will play lower right centre move
Muttley [2k\]: w doesn't want to give b sente there
ron [4d?\]: b9 is honte now
backpack1 [3d\]: you mean lower upper left right side center?
ron [4d?\]: maybe he wants o7 first
SimbaRules [1d\]: White S11?
Muttley [2k\]: M7 area
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;W[ip]
;B[iq]
;W[do]C[ron [4d?\]: b10 
SimbaRules [1d\]: :( Too small surely.
Alligato [2d\]: b 65+ w 60
ron [4d?\]: b10 and game over
SimbaRules [1d\]: Is B10 larger than S10?
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;B[bj]C[ron [4d?\]: ok, game over
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;W[bk]
;B[ak]C[Hofobbefes [3d\]: RESIGN!
Hofobbefes [3d\]: oops....
]
;W[cj]C[AppleEye [3d?\]: Korean 4p agreed b winning 
]
;B[bi]C[ron [4d?\]: d5 last losing move
SimbaRules [1d\]: All this sente, owwww.
ron [4d?\]: b9 was much bigger
SimbaRules [1d\]: C11 turn = *cry*
]
;W[ci]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: Now black S10 and surely that's enough.
]
;B[fo]
;W[fn]C[Alligato [2d\]: it is over for w
]
;B[qs]
;W[rs]
;B[ps]C[wolokom [5k\]: still ko but w is behind
ron [4d?\]: B+12 I think
]
;W[rr]
;B[rj]
;W[bm]
;B[al]C[ron [4d?\]: q19 wrong timing killed w's chances
]
;W[ic]C[ron [4d?\]: good
SimbaRules [1d\]: Final chance.
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;B[hc]C[ron [4d?\]: just yose
SimbaRules [1d\]: Mmm.
SimbaRules [1d\]: 2nd game tomorrow hopefully will be closer :) .
SimbaRules [1d\]: 5-game series ftw.
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;W[jk]C[TurtleDove [4k\]: unexpected power cut. computer accuses human of conspiracy
]
;B[jp]C[ron [4d?\]: l11 
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;W[kn]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Both players have about 1:02 left.
ron [4d?\]: b has to be careful, not let w make many points in the center
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;B[jc]C[ron [4d?\]: b bad at endgame
]
;W[ki]C[ron [4d?\]: good
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;B[mm]C[ron [4d?\]: w can also try o5 + o7 
ron [4d?\]: now too late..
ron [4d?\]: l12 
ron [4d?\]: l12 seems sente because of k13 
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;W[no]
;B[nr]
;W[nn]
;B[nm]C[ron [4d?\]: uh
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;W[po]
;B[rm]C[BGAadmin [-\]: This is not sente. White is alive in the corner even if B plays again.
ron [4d?\]: seems impossible for w to catch up
BGAadmin [-\]: Agree.
ron [4d?\]: c4 big
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;W[ll]
;B[ka]C[ron [4d?\]: m19 
BGAadmin [-\]: W looking around S10.
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;W[qj]C[ron [4d?\]: just extend
ron [4d?\]: s11 ?
]
;B[ri]C[ron [4d?\]: o6 was not good I think
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;W[qi]
;B[qh]
;W[kh]
;B[lb]C[ron [4d?\]: b aiming at m16 
maproomad [-\]: Andrew is playing faster than usual
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;W[jg]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Nick, are you confusing him with Andrew Simons?
ron [4d?\]: it's a bad trade for w
]
;B[jf]C[maproomad [-\]: Andrew kay can be quite as slow, but I agree he is no rival for Simons
ron [4d?\]: if k14 j12 m16 B is winning by 20 points!
BGAadmin [-\]: I suspect W is just making absolutely sure he has not missed something before resigning.
ron [4d?\]: seems q19 losing move
ron [4d?\]: h8 also questionable
]
;W[ih]
;B[ld]
;W[lc]
;B[jd]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: :(
ron [4d?\]: B winning by 20 points
]
;W[cp]C[Muttley [2k\]: according to score est, if w connects then b+25
Muttley [2k\]: b+2.5
SimbaRules [1d\]: He maybe is continuing just out of politeness.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Since it's late endgame now.
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;B[br]C[ron [4d?\]: he will prob. resign soon
TurtleDove [4k\]: yeah and Dr Who don't start for a while yet
]
;W[he]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: I saw one game Andrew Kay played a few years back where his opponent didn't resign so Andrew passed while his opponent filled in the dame.
SimbaRules [1d\]: And in England we have a -1 point rule for a pass.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Like you give them a capture stone.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Was amusing.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Must have given like 10 points away.
]
;B[pf]C[kostuek [?\]: quite a weird rule
]
;W[oe]
;B[if]C[afar [3d?\]: kostuek: it makes chinese and japanese counting give the same result
BGAadmin [-\]: It's AGA rules.
afar [3d?\]: (along with some other stuff)
kostuek [?\]: i see
SimbaRules [1d\]: It's bizarre and confuses every new person I try to teach who's played online first.
]
;W[mb]
;B[ld]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: Really don't agree with it but eh.
]
;W[nc]
;B[nd]C[cockroach [5k\]: French rukes are cleaner
]
;W[sm]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: I don't get why people don't just play Japanese rules.
SimbaRules [1d\]: There's all the "oh well what if you have to play it out on another board" nonsense.
tobe30k [1k\]: what does french rukes say?
SimbaRules [1d\]: But like, that never happens online.
Muttley [2k\]: Chinese rules are easier for beginners
SimbaRules [1d\]: No reason why it should IRL.
cockroach [5k\]: aesthetics
afar [3d?\]: Yay, a rules debate
]
;B[sl]
;W[sn]C[Muttley [2k\]: if they disagree on L&D, just play it out, no cost
ron [4d?\]: I still don't understand chinese rules
ron [4d?\]: why would you count the number of stones
SimbaRules [1d\]: I don't think Japanese rules are any harder for beginners. Most beginners just accept "this can be killed so just remove it at the end" when I tell them that.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yeah lol.
SimbaRules [1d\]: And getting to play in your own territory for free...
SimbaRules [1d\]: Is silly, should just learn how to read.
]
;B[ma]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: Rather than being like "oh I'm not sure so I'll play here anyway."
Muttley [2k\]: I'm not saying don't play Japanese- it teachers prisoners and territory- just you can teach Chinese also and say "OK, we could like this if we play it out"
]
;W[sk]C[afar [3d?\]: You only get to play in your own territory for free if all the dame are full and it happens to be your own move
BGAadmin [-\]: Yes, but the problem with Japnese rules, is that you might one day be referee in a tournament where Robert Jasiek is playing.
ron [4d?\]: nice
ron [4d?\]: b missed this
TurtleDove [4k\]: I always played Japanese rules. never has any of these theoretical problems in 3000 games so far
SimbaRules [1d\]: B can just play S9.
kostuek [?\]: lol
backpack1 [3d\]: Hahaha
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;B[rk]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: Likewise, Turtle, albeit probably only 500-1000 games.
]
;W[rl]C[cockroach [5k\]: French rules are cleaned up AGA rules
Muttley [2k\]: Haven't you seen the EGF's directions for tournament rules?
Hofobbefes [3d\]: imo japanese rules, when you teach go, make beginner going a bit astray with the territory idea
SimbaRules [1d\]: Astray howso?
SimbaRules [1d\]: And lol if Andrew plays the ko. :D
Muttley [2k\]: "Everyone can discuss rules with the tournament organisers."
]
;B[qk]C[Muttley [2k\]: "Except Robert.2
Muttley [2k\]: "
SimbaRules [1d\]: I feel so sorry for Csaba Mero after Jasiek's escapade.
backpack1 [3d\]: hahaha
SimbaRules [1d\]: Would have given him a slap if it was me.
backpack1 [3d\]: Jasiek is a special case...
Hofobbefes [3d\]: well a lot I taught as soon as they hear "sorround territory" completely forget any idea about strenght of stones (which they can have got from "capturing games")
SimbaRules [1d\]: Strength/influence is much too hard for a beginner to use though.
SimbaRules [1d\]: I only really got the hang of that around 1-2k.
SimbaRules [1d\]: And even now I find it tricky at times.
Muttley [2k\]: No its not, depends how you teach it
Hofobbefes [3d\]: I agree
BGAadmin [-\]: White resigns.
Muttley [2k\]: the rudiments are easy
Muttley [2k\]: thanks BGAadmin
SimbaRules [1d\]: "use wall to attack" *beginner attacks with wall* *opponent overplays and lives*
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